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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-24-2017, 04:17 PM

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Translation from temper-tantrum into plain American:

"I don't want to accept that my interpretations could be wrong, so I'll just put hands over my ears and close my eyes and sing LA-LA-LA-LA!"
No, that is what Mary is doing. She's the one who Gish Galloped instead of responding to my rebuttal of her interpretation.

There's no point in me continue to provide rebuttals if they are never going to be addressed.

Too, I got another infraction, 100 points this time, so really - it's like this whole site is singing LA-LA-LA-LA when they just try to silence the truth.

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After reading Sister Mary's post and then your reply, am I to understand that you do not ignore but rather deeply cherish and agree with verses such as Exodus 15:3, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 13:6-10, Joshua 24:19, Psalm 137:9, Hosea 13:16, Luke 14:26, Acts 3:22-24, Revelation 2:23, and all the other verses which indicate that God is cruel and vindictive, and not some kind of free-love-for-all hippie?
I don't have time to look all those up right now.

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I want to be impressed, but I suspect that you did not, in fact, read what Sister Mary said (due to your la-la-la temper tantrum), and you just wrote some random stuff that doesn't actually address the issues she raised.
I read what she said, I just didn't read the verses she referenced. And since I already know she was wrong earlier, I cannot simply trust that she is right this time.

But she won't respond to my arguments, so I'm not going to waste my time.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-24-2017, 04:37 PM

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No, that is what Mary is doing. She's the one who Gish Galloped instead of responding to my rebuttal of her interpretation.
Your rebuttal was properly rebutted not only by Sister Mary but also by Pastor Levi, Brother Gonzalez, and even that shady Didymus person.

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There's no point in me continue to provide rebuttals if they are never going to be addressed.
Scrolling up this thread, you haven't really provided much rebuttals, you mostly refrained to one-liners along the lines of "no, I don't agree, so this has to be wrong."

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I don't have time to look all those up right now.
Just hover your mouse over them and they should show.

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I read what she said, I just didn't read the verses she referenced. And since I already know she was wrong earlier,
You failed to prove it.

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I cannot simply trust that she is right this time.
A little biased, aren't we?

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But she won't respond to my arguments, so I'm not going to waste my time.
What arguments?

At one point you said that Isaiah 43:25 has nothing to do with God forgiving sins of Christians. Here is the verse in case you don't have time to look it up:

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

And then you were surprised that your rebuttal was not properly addressed?

Please explain it to me. Maybe I'm the silly one who has trouble understanding plain English?
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 06-10-2017, 09:11 AM

autism is a human with mental disorder for children who acts crazy like "the child hitting itself to get what it wants or screams" , when mad he/she destroys furnatures or items rather than being a normal child drawing pictures of his/her family and animals, knowing what is right or having knowledge.

now its present in adult or adolescents because they cannot focus to grow up. and some are having trouble with their lifes than focusing on what is more wise and holy like ignoring ignorance like bullies.

and yes those weird adults some of them does drugs, sex, gluttony and other things like trying to commit to suicide at an early age like 12-16 age. they never learn because they don't have any parents to take care of them and might be busy or ignoring them. they should go to church every sunday to learn or go to a scholarship on a christian school or get help to stop this early sign of autism.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 06-10-2017, 11:51 AM

The Bible includes numerous examples of autistic symptoms, such as not speaking, but unlike the medical profession it also tells us the cause. Devils are the cause, in my first example.


Mark 9 . KJV . look up
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And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; and wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.
20-21 And they brought him unto [Jesus] and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
25b-27 [Jesus] rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
28-29 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.


Jesus did not say to His disciples, "The reason why you couldn't cast this devil out from the possessed child is because he has a mental disorder preventing him from speaking which is not a devil at all," did He. No. Jesus explained that this was a special kind of devil, very resistant to exorcism.

My next example is of an adult. This one likes cutting which helps us to recognise an EMO as they seem to call themselves nowadays. Not all EMO's are autistic, they are very keen to point this out when posting, but willingness to self harm is often noted and again Jesus explains something we would get confused about if we tried to work it out for ourselves.


Mark 5 . KJV . look up
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There met [Jesus] out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6-8 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him and cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
15-16a And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil.


Once again Jesus had an opportunity to tell us about mental disorders, about how cutting is just another type of self-expression. He did not do so because He recognised the symptoms for what they really are: DEVILS in possession of a human and which need to be EXORCISED.

"Ha, ha," Jesus did not say "I know, I know, you all think this is a devil, some sort of unclean spirit waving this man's arms around like trees in the wind; but it's not." Quite the reverse. Jesus knew this was devils and so devils it is. Notice right at the end the people saw this guy clothed, and in his right mind? The word is there, available for Jesus to use. Mind. Where mental disorders appear. Jesus did not use that word for a reason.

What would you say that reason was?
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 06-10-2017, 02:45 PM

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The Bible includes numerous examples of autistic symptoms, such as not speaking, but unlike the medical profession it also tells us the cause. Devils are the cause, in my first example.

Mark 9 . KJV . look up
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And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; and wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.
20-21 And they brought him unto [Jesus] and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.
25b-27 [Jesus] rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
28-29 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
Jesus did not say to His disciples, "The reason why you couldn't cast this devil out from the possessed child is because he has a mental disorder preventing him from speaking which is not a devil at all," did He. No. Jesus explained that this was a special kind of devil, very resistant to exorcism.

My next example is of an adult. This one likes cutting which helps us to recognise an EMO as they seem to call themselves nowadays. Not all EMO's are autistic, they are very keen to point this out when posting, but willingness to self harm is often noted and again Jesus explains something we would get confused about if we tried to work it out for ourselves.

Mark 5 . KJV . look up
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There met [Jesus] out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6-8 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him and cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
15-16a And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil.
Once again Jesus had an opportunity to tell us about mental disorders, about how cutting is just another type of self-expression. He did not do so because He recognised the symptoms for what they really are: DEVILS in possession of a human and which need to be EXORCISED.

"Ha, ha," Jesus did not say "I know, I know, you all think this is a devil, some sort of unclean spirit waving this man's arms around like trees in the wind; but it's not." Quite the reverse. Jesus knew this was devils and so devils it is. Notice right at the end the people saw this guy clothed, and in his right mind? The word is there, available for Jesus to use. Mind. Where mental disorders appear. Jesus did not use that word for a reason.

What would you say that reason was?
And neither of those cases, would be counted as autism.
They would be counted as mental insanity.
AKA: Demons or drugs.


Now a child who has a hard time focusing, but otherwise has great behavior, would be diagnosed with autism.


See the difference?




The reason Jesus didn't use the word mind?
I think he simply didn't use it.
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And neither of those cases, would be counted as autism.
They would be counted as mental insanity.
"Mental insanity" isn't a technical term. You may be looking for "mental illness" or "psychosis."

Autism is categorized as mental illness according to current psychiatric practice, which defines Autism Spectrum Disorder in the DSM-- the psychiatrist's "bible" (lol, right).

There has been some push-back against this, although one has to wonder why. Dr. Rettew writes for Psychology Today,

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In a classic “be careful what you wish for” moment, they were successful enough to convince some insurance companies not to cover patient visits with psychiatrists that were related solely to autism, leaving some families scrambling to get the care they need.
For the other side of the debate, check out Jill (no title) Rubolino's cogent essay, where she clearly explains that autism cannot be a mental disorder because it is caused by vaccines, and mental illness does not have a cause. I can't quite understand everything she says, but my dear President agrees with her regarding vaccines, and that's a strong argument in her favor. You judge-- or not, since I know you're not into that kind of thing.


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Now a child who has a hard time focusing, but otherwise has great behavior, would be diagnosed with autism.
I think you may be confused by the current consensus that autism exists on a spectrum, and that some who suffer from the disorder behave as you describe. Indeed, there may be some devils that are terrible and some that are tiny. However, the verses quoted are consistent with the symptoms of severe autism. Unfortunately, Youtube isn't loading for me currently (God and GOP be thanked for the repeal of satanic "net neutrality"), so I can't currently find any videos displaying the exact symptoms mentioned. If you can afford a "fast lane," you might try to take a look yourself. If, however, you as a meek Christian cannot afford such luxuries, you might check out this description of the symptoms of severe autism and see how well that meshes with your understanding of the disorder.

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see how well that meshes with your understanding of the disorder.
My understanding of the disorder is that I have autism.
And the general view of autism isn't somebody who throw's hissy fits or is a spoiled brat.
Most people simply view that as being a spoiled brat, including me.
But there are some cases of autism, that are actually autism in my opinion.
Such as dyslexia.
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My understanding of the disorder is that I have autism.
And the general view of autism isn't somebody who throw's hissy fits or is a spoiled brat.
Can I offer, intending no offense: that sounds like a uniquely autistic view of autism.

If you have autism, that doesn't mean that everyone with autism is like you.

Read the links, helper.
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If you have autism, that doesn't mean that everyone with autism is like you.

Read the links, helper.
I didn't claim that.
But you did claim that everyone with autism is simply trying to find an excuse for bad parenting.
Which isn't true.


What I did claim? That not all autism is a behavioral problem.
And that not all behavioral problems are autism.
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Not all autism is a behavioral problem.
And that not all behavioral problems are autism.
Well, darn, there goes my killer True Christian instinct.

The Spirit may fail me here, but I can't defend everything that has been said in this thread in regards to autism.

I think your time would be better spent reading about autism than in arguing with people who don't share your first-hand experience. They may have some learning to do-- but as Christ says, take care of the beam in your own eye first.

And to do that, you're going to have to do a lot of reading-- and more, a lot of thinking, because there are a lot of people saying things about autism that aren't true, and it's no simple task to identify those who are speaking falsely.
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Well, darn, there goes my killer True Christian instinct.

The Spirit may fail me here, but I can't defend everything that has been said in this thread in regards to autism.

I think your time would be better spent reading about autism than in arguing with people who don't share your first-hand experience. They may have some learning to do-- but as Christ says, take care of the beam in your own eye first.

And to do that, you're going to have to do a lot of reading-- and more, a lot of thinking, because there are a lot of people saying things about autism that aren't true, and it's no simple task to identify those who are speaking falsely.
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What has dyslexia got to do with autism?
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What has dyslexia got to do with autism?
It's a disorder linked with Asperger syndrome.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 06-11-2017, 11:02 AM

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It's a disorder linked with Asperger syndrome.
What has Asperger's got to do with autism?
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What has Asperger's got to do with autism?


Autism, is having a disorder. This disorder isn't SOLELY one thing.
It can be a number of different disorders.
From Dyslexia, to Asperger's, to ADHD.
That's how they relate.
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Autism, is having a disorder.
No it's not. Haemophilia is "having a disorder" but it's got nothing to do with autism EVIDENCE
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This disorder isn't SOLELY one thing.
It can be a number of different disorders.
From Dyslexia, to Asperger's, to ADHD.
That's how they relate.
Now how about you provide some evidence?
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I didn't claim that.
Yes you did. You claimed you have personal knowledge of autism and therefore those behaviors that don't resonate with you personally don't "count." It's a remarkably self-centered (auto-ism, ha!) conclusion, but it lacks objective data. Furthermore, your foolish claims that dyslexia and ADHD are part of the autistic spectrum is merely wishful thinking.


I noticed you ignored Mitza's Biblical explanation. Care to explain why you think you know more about the human condition than Jesus Christ Almighty Himself who personally invented it?


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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 06-11-2017, 06:37 PM

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Yes you did. You claimed you have personal knowledge of autism and therefore those behaviors that don't resonate with you personally don't "count." It's a remarkably self-centered (auto-ism, ha!) conclusion, but it lacks objective data. Furthermore, your foolish claims that dyslexia and ADHD are part of the autistic spectrum is merely wishful thinking.
No.
I did not.
And if you didn't make false claims, and would politely quote where I did say that, I would appreciate that.
What you did, is called a straw man.




My "foolish" claims, are what the definition of "dyslexia" and "ADHD" say.
I'm sorry.
Since you're obviously the expert, why don't you provide some data as to what category "ADHD" and "Dyslexia" are inside of.
So in fact, it's not my foolish claims.
It's yours.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 06-11-2017, 06:44 PM

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Now how about you provide some evidence?
Oh seriously?
Really?
Alright. Since I have to spell out LITERALLY EVERYTHING to you.


Having a mental disorder that impairs daily functioning.


Happy?
There.
Want evidence?


https://www.additudemag.com/autism-a...s-in-children/


ADHD and Asperger's sydrome are both autism.
Go figure.
Now if you knew how to use google, you'd know that.
But I'm glad to help.


Now that I provided evidence making your questions seem completely pointless, anything else you'd like to argue with?
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No.
I did not.
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My understanding of the disorder is that I have autism.
You argue knowledge of autism is founded in your personal experiences. Traits that don't match your own experiences are dismissed as not being autistic (ie, behavior that you attribute to be a "spoiled brat").

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My "foolish" claims, are what the definition of "dyslexia" and "ADHD" say.
Which definitions? From what source? And more importantly, does it conform to the Word of the God?

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I'm sorry.
Since you're obviously the expert, why don't you provide some data as to what category "ADHD" and "Dyslexia" are inside of.
So in fact, it's not my foolish claims.
It's yours.
I'm "obviously the expert" now? What was that about straw men arguments? It's not my burden to prove, dear. If you want people to accept your claim as legitimate and accurate, you'll have to do better than appeal to our simply trusting you because you believe it yourself to be true.


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