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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 04-21-2010, 12:20 AM

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You are indeed correct, Brother Hatchet. According to this graph from the year 2000, one year before the attacks on the World Trade Center, the United States ranks next to Godless Communist Cuba in infant mortality.

This may seem like mothers in the United States are failing more than those in other countries, but the reality is that all of the countries above are separated by only a small percentage, and lots of babies are dying in every country- that's why they keep these stats.

Nevertheless, the message could not be simpler: take better care of your fetus.
Praise Allah ! No Muslim country is on the graph! do you think this is by coincidence?


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Praise Allah ! No Muslim country is on the graph! do you think this is by coincidence?
Not at all. They wanted to keep the graph valid. They know, just like everyone does, mooslime is a passing fad, like Tiffany was. One day soo, you piss drinkers will be gone and the graph, still accurate.


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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 04-21-2010, 12:46 AM

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Not at all. They wanted to keep the graph valid. They know, just like everyone does, mooslime is a passing fad, like Tiffany was. One day soo, you piss drinkers will be gone and the graph, still accurate.
THat has to be the dumbest excuse for an blatant sign from God you could come up with..?

The reason is, James, just as there are no homosexuals in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran there are also no miscarriages because we live a life glorifying God and His Apostle.

You American infidels have so much gay homos and sin that no wonder your miscarriages are so high.

Insha'Allah when we gain enough power and majority in the Senate the figures will decrease.


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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 04-21-2010, 12:58 AM

You have miscarriages, you just eat the dead baby.

Your countries are infested with sodomites. One big do not ask, do not tell.

Allah has not enough power to light a penlight. What is his name? Bob? Just some random fellow. Riiiight.....


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 04-27-2010, 08:07 AM

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THat has to be the dumbest excuse for an blatant sign from God you could come up with..?

The reason is, James, just as there are no homosexuals in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran there are also no miscarriages because we live a life glorifying God and His Apostle.

You American infidels have so much gay homos and sin that no wonder your miscarriages are so high.

Insha'Allah when we gain enough power and majority in the Senate the figures will decrease.
Ofcourse you don't have homosexuals in Islamic countries like Iran, because you hang them. This implies you once had them. You don't seem to understand you are trying to cover up your problems. Your problem is that you follow a false prophet. Your "knowledge" regarding homosexuals and miscarriages was forseen by the Lord.

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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 07-21-2010, 06:53 AM

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Doctors tell us that miscarriages are the result of "chromosomal abnormalities" or "progesterone deficiency." I find that very hard to believe, mainly because I don't know what those words mean.

Women, if you experience a miscarriage, you have no one to blame but yourselves. You have done something to make God angry. Think hard, ladies. When you were opening that can of vegetables last week, did you have a salacious and speculative thought about the size of the Green Giant's "asparagus spear"?



Or maybe you haven't been cleaning enough. Or you've been cleaning too much and neglecting your husband. Perhaps you've cleaned the perfect amount and have taken too much pride in that fact. The point is you have done something to kill your baby.

In the off-chance that you haven't done anything wrong, then the fetus must have.



A developing cell could have touched another developing cell inappropriately. It's also possible that your baby was a pervert who got off on being inside a cooter. Regardless, you are still culpable because the above wickedness happened under your roof, so to speak.

We are battling enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan. We must also be prepared to squelch the growing evil in places like North Korea, Iran, and Berkeley. We need Christian soldiers. Straighten up, women and fetuses. America is depending on you.
God says that we shall not die for the sins of our fathers (i'm guessing he includes mothers too) so why should the child (even if unborn) be punished for parents "evil thoughts." maybe it was the father that had impure thoughts and the woman was totally pure?
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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 07-21-2010, 07:10 AM

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God says that we shall not die for the sins of our fathers (i'm guessing he includes mothers too) so why should the child (even if unborn) be punished for parents "evil thoughts." maybe it was the father that had impure thoughts and the woman was totally pure?
You're guessing? Did God say that he wouldn't punish us for the sins of our mother? Is that why we can be punished for the following?

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
All women are punished for what Eve did.

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Well there you go, being punished up to the 10th generation because your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother was a whore.


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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 09-03-2011, 04:49 AM

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You're guessing? Did God say that he wouldn't punish us for the sins of our mother? Is that why we can be punished for the following?

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
All women are punished for what Eve did.

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Well there you go, being punished up to the 10th generation because your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother was a whore.

When I first read this thread, I thought it was a joke. My wife and I as good Christians were browsing for websites that could help us cope with the loss of our unborn child.

I am shocked to see my fellow christian in the initial post, discount explanations because, he doesn't understand "what those words mean"

The definitions are as follows:

Chromosomal abnormalities result from mutations which change the number of chromosomes (numerical abnormalities) or change the structure of the chromosome (structural abnormalities). They may alter the ability of the cell to survive and function.

Progesterone deficiency is the result of aging. As women get older they lose their ability to produce progesterone(a growth hormone vital to the development of the fetus)



there is “no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

Jeremiah 1:5 says that God knows us while we are still in the womb.

Lamentations 3:33 tells us that God “does not enjoy hurting people or causing them sorrow.”

Jesus promised to leave us with a gift of peace unlike any that the world can give (John 14:27).

“I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).

This has been a terrible experience to go through, as devout Christians. I hope that none of you ever has to endure this hardship.


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[QUOTE=Redeemed Papist;791158]Lamentations 3:64-66
64Render unto them a recompence, O LORD, according to the work of their hands.

65Give them sorrow of heart, thy curse unto them. 66Persecute and destroy them in anger from under the heavens of the LORD.

Funny what happens when you look at things in context, no?[



Agreed. I now see the error of my ways, and understand the bible verses that show me the right way of thinking. My sinner wife shall rot for miscarrying my child. Praise the good lord for showing me the light.
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Agreed. I now see the error of my ways, and understand the bible verses that show me the right way of thinking. My sinner wife shall rot for miscarrying my child. Praise the good lord for showing me the light.
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Jeremiah 1:5 says that God knows us while we are still in the womb.
Unfortunately, that's not quite right. God is speaking to Jeremiah in the womb. He isn't referring to all children.

See it in context.
3It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.
4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
7But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
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Brother Redeemed Papist answered that one well for you.
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Jesus promised to leave us with a gift of peace unlike any that the world can give (John 14:27).
Jesus specifically said he didn't come to bring peace.

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34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 09-03-2011, 05:49 AM

I'm sorry for your loss, btw. The good Lord never gives us more than we can handle.

I'll be praying for you.

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And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I'm sorry you're prayers weren't answered, friend. Sometimes that's just the way it goes, I guess.

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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 09-03-2011, 02:43 PM

I'm now wondering that maybe my wife's miscarriage was actually message from God and permission to get a divorce. I'm not sure if she is willing really submit herself and make new soldiers for Christ™

Anyway, after the miscarriage, she has been kind of distant and she has had "those days" too often. At least when I have been ready for the Christ, it has always been that she can't.

I'm just a little bit concerned about this:

Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

But I God made my wife have miscarriage, it must have been punishment for adultery. I think I need help of senior Pastors here

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Cool Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 10-11-2011, 06:23 PM

Hey dudes, i'm living in the 21st century.

first of all 'I'm now wondering that maybe my wife's miscarriage was actually message from God and permission to get a divorce.' that is just f'ed up sh*t...you are using your religion to interpret situations in life for your own personal benefit, MAN UP.

TRY READING UP ON A THING CALLED SCIENCE, might explain a few things to your closed minds.


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Hey dudes, i'm living in the 21st century.

first of all 'I'm now wondering that maybe my wife's miscarriage was actually message from God and permission to get a divorce.' that is just f'ed up sh*t...you are using your religion to interpret situations in life for your own personal benefit, MAN UP.
What else is religion for than a guide on how to live you life?

Faith, how does that work TheDevilsTodger?

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TRY READING UP ON A THING CALLED SCIENCE, might explain a few things to your closed minds.
Beyond giving an biological explanation on how the miscarriage happened how is that going to tell the husband how to react to his wife's murder of his kid? That is what religion is for friend.

Know how something happened is not the same as how to react to it.
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'Think hard, ladies. When you were opening that can of vegetables last week, did you have a salacious and speculative thought about the size of the Green Giant's "asparagus spear"?' --- oh really! *smacks head* i think about that big ol' green dudes tasty asparagus everyday, never miscarried yet! Wait, if i imagine me winning the lottery, i never will! <--- just as stupid a logic as yours...people win the lottery all the time.
You think about playing the lottery before you play it. Same holds true with giant asparagus.



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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 10-12-2011, 09:34 AM

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that is just f'ed up sh*t...you are using your religion to interpret situations in life for your own personal benefit, MAN UP.
How would divorce be for my personal benefit? Please explain. I only want to please the God and fill the earth with believing sons.

Gen 1:28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

If my wife is not willing to fulfill the will of God, does God want me to find someone that does? And my wife has sinned

1 Cor 7:15 - But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Matt 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

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Default Re: Miscarriages: Who is at Fault? - 10-12-2011, 06:37 PM

why is it then that millions of pregnant women around the world involve themselves in all kinds of acts including masturbation, adultery, violence against innocent people, theft, murder or just go out and get totally wasted on drink and drugs yet go on to have healthy babies if something as ridiculous as looking at a tine of sweetcorn will upset god enough to make you miscarry?
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why is it then that millions of pregnant women around the world involve themselves in all kinds of acts including masturbation, adultery, violence against innocent people, theft, murder or just go out and get totally wasted on drink and drugs yet go on to have healthy babies if something as ridiculous as looking at a tine of sweetcorn will upset god enough to make you miscarry?
You could ask God when you die but you'll be too busy burning in Hell to be bothered, I guess.

Why are all God-haters obsessed with getting God to justify Himself?



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why is it then that millions of pregnant women around the world involve themselves in all kinds of acts including masturbation, adultery, violence against innocent people, theft, murder or just go out and get totally wasted on drink and drugs yet go on to have healthy babies if something as ridiculous as looking at a tine of sweetcorn will upset god enough to make you miscarry?
Who are these women? I want names, otherwise I will suspect you of making things up.


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