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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 09-14-2022, 07:16 PM

It's not a difficult question to answer. One need only open their Family Bible and read the words gloriously written on the page. This is apparently too difficult for the pope to do, as he is prone to denying the Holy Word of God.

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NUR-SULTAN, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Pope Francis said on Wednesday that God does not guide religions towards war, an implicit criticism of Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill, who backs the invasion of Ukraine and has boycotted a conference of faith leaders.
It makes one wonder. We know Catholics are encouraged to NOT read their Bibles, but does that mean even the highest officers in this Global Land Grabbing, Money Laundering, Sex Slavery Organization aren't even remotely familiar with the words of Our Savior? How gullible are Catholics that they will believe anything a man behind the pulpit says just because he claims authority and superior knowledge?

It's a shame the Catholics will never know the Cosmic Bodyguard they have in Christ, an ultimate Alpha Male who crushes His enemies even before they decide to oppose Him.

In reality, Jesus often ordered the Israelites to go to war with other nations. He ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:9; 11). Jesus is a fan of Capital Punishment, both for individuals and for of entire nations. He will not be mocked!
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not;
but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
1 Samuel 15:3
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 20:16-18
About forty thousand prepared for war passed over before the LORD unto battle, to the plains of Jericho.
Joshua 4:13
And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.
And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
Joshua 6:16-17

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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 09-14-2022, 07:40 PM

Thank you Sister Mary for shining the pure light of God's Truth upon this subject.

It really is important to remember that Jesus isn't the long-haired, peace and love, sandal-wearing hippie that the general public seem to think He is.


He's also not some silly animal rights activist. I'm not sure what the sheep and camels of Amalek did to deserve God's wrath, but the important thing to remember is that God knows.


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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 09-14-2022, 08:23 PM

It's so important, Sister Mary, that the public understands the Christian view on war, the one provided by Jesus. We know Jesus took his whip to the money changers in the Temple. This is not "Sweet Jesus." When Jesus returns I think the public will be surprised he means business when it comes to sin and entry to the blessed beyond.


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 09-16-2022, 06:33 PM

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Now go and smite...ox and sheep, camel and ass.
1 Samuel 15:3
...and dog:



Trigger warning: you might hurt your trigger finger if you shoot that many dogs all at once.


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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 09-17-2022, 02:39 PM

It would be interesting to see the pope's Bible. How many pages have been cut out? Obviously this one:
Exodus chapter 15
2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Clearly this celebration is all about Salvation, the very thing popes are supposed to be mediating according to their own claims. God disagrees as this verse, posted with context, makes plain. If this pope (or any pope) has missed this over the past thousands of years, the page must not be there: presumably they can read?
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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 10-12-2022, 10:41 PM

I've talked about Jihad-envy, when I see Islamofascists behaving like better Christians than actual Westerners do. I need an equivalent term, this time for the Russian Orthodox Church, and all pillars of Russian society.

Because over here people talk about war being a "sometimes necessary evil" or a "last resort". We hesitate before, we pull punches during, we apologize after.

Meanwhile in Russia they literally bless their bombs, both before launch...



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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 01-30-2023, 05:47 AM

It is a little known fact that, at first, the title of the Book of Judges in the Bible was going to be War, What Is It Good For?. I don't know why God decided to change it to Judges. Maybe He thought the original title was simply too big a mouthful.


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It is a little known fact that, at first, the title of the Book of Judges in the Bible was going to be War, What Is It Good For?. I don't know why God decided to change it to Judges. Maybe He thought the original title was simply too big a mouthful.
Though Putin is a Catholic, he knows his version of the Bible. His Pope, Fr. Kirill (I've heard he does not mind being referred to as "Father Kill"), knows it as well. They know God does not like the Ukrainians. Our own outstanding Christian, Donald Trump, has given Putin his endorsement. When Biden and his Generals are looking at the Russian military in Ukraine, they need to keep the scripture Sister Mary provided in front of them.


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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 01-30-2023, 05:34 PM

I can't help thinking how much better the war against Ukraine would be going if Donald Trump had been elected. He was elected, that's the most annoying part. The combined armies of Russia and an America liberated from the shackles of NATO would quickly overwhelm the Ukranians, leaving Poland, and most of Eastern Europe under the glory of Christian theocratic rule. The Princedom of Poland would be just deserts for Don Jr.

After Germany and France fall we finally reach the real prize, Greenland.


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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 02-16-2023, 02:52 PM

The Bible mentions war in various passages, particularly in the Old Testament. In the book of Ecclesiastes 3:8, it says that there is "a time for war and a time for peace." In the book of Numbers 31, the Israelites go to war against the Midianites. In the book of Deuteronomy, there are detailed instructions on how to go to war and what to do with the spoils of war.
In the New Testament, Jesus taught his followers to "love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek" (Matthew 5:39). He also said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God" (Matthew 5:9). In the book of Romans, the Apostle Paul wrote, "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone" (Romans 12:18).
While the Bible recognizes the reality of war and provides guidance on how to engage in it, it also emphasizes the value of peace, reconciliation, and love. Ultimately, it is up to individuals and societies to interpret and apply these teachings in the context of their own circumstances and beliefs.
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Ultimately, it is up to individuals and societies to interpret and apply these teachings in the context of their own circumstances and beliefs.
That's a dangerous and deadly opinion, friend. Had Jesus intended us to be relativistic with our faith, He would not have published His Holy Memoirs in the form of a Bible for us to follow.


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Default Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? - 02-17-2023, 04:16 AM

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The Bible mentions war in various passages, particularly in the Old Testament.
You included several references, which I read, but there's a couple you seem to have overlooked.

Firstly, II Peter 1:20 where God explains about interpretation of Scripture in terms diametrically opposed to your suggestion that individuals and societies should interpret these teachings in the context of their own beliefs. But not all societies hold that "these teachings" (by which I take it you mean The Bible) are reliable or even true in the least degree. Nevertheless, although they hold that there's nothing historical in The New Testament, they could still read it and apply some of its principles in their daily lives. The real problem arises when a society (or an individual) believes the teachings in The Bible are harmful and that they have an obligation to eradicate its institutions, the teachings themselves and all the source material from the world forever. Like smallpox. So with that in mind your last sentence becomes:
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Ultimately, it is up to individuals and societies to
interpret & apply these teachings in the context
of their own belief that these teachings must be
destroyed.

Secondly, Luke 22:36 records Jesus requiring His followers to go armed. In fact it's more important to carry a weapon than to have a coat. This is one of the last commandments from Jesus before He was crucified. How do you reconcile this with your other comments?

Thirdly, Luke 14:26 addresses hate. Jesus lists several categories of persons whom Christians must hate. Sometimes we get comments to the effect of "HATE" in this case being a special magic sort of hate and NOT ordinary old garden variety hate at all. There are a number of problems with that. Primarily, if that were so, why did the author not use a different word? Additionally, if words can have special magic or esoteric meanings, how am I supposed to know which meaning to take from any particular word?

TWO EXAMPLES

Obadiah 1:4Titus 3:10-11
Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle,
and though thou set thy nest among the stars,
thence will I bring thee down,
saith the LORD.
A man that is an heretick after the first and
second admonition reject; knowing that he
that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
being condemned of himself.
Old Testament
New Testament


By applying the special "magic words" hypothesis, in which words have esoteric meanings different from what they usually mean, we can go through either Testament and get them to say whatever we like. Obadiah is a good example. Here are the magic word meanings:

Exalt - this really means abase
Eagle - this really means centipede
Nest - this really means helicopter
Stars - this really means $50,000,000
‘Bring thee down’ - this really means ‘pay unto thee the aforementioned sum’
LORD - this really means Airbus helicopter solutions

And yes, for $50m you'd get quite a nice helicopter so it's internally consistent and all you have to do is act like a centipede. Moving on to Titus we might think, in our foolishness, that the passage is about heresy. But it's not ordinary old heresy, it's really special magic heresy better signified by the following substitutions:

Heretick - this really means fermenter of cactus juice
Admonition - this really means quart
Subverted - this really means having hallucinations
Sinneth - this really means made a good batch this week
Condemned of himself - this really means completely off his onion

As you will see, interpreting Scripture in accordance with one's own beliefs leads to activities God in fact disapproves of, just as He disapproves of societies' particular belief systems and circumstances in the vast majority of cases. How do we know that? Because it's right there in The Bible written in words anyone can understand. If you could address God's remarks on interpretation of Scripture carrying weapons and hate – that would be great. Thanks.
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