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Default PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself! - 09-26-2010, 10:51 PM

To my great surprise a women helped me to finally figure it out. Not only is this women against sins like masturbation and breathing, she is also a scientific genius! Christine O'Donnell on evolution: "You know what? Evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans?"

I went to the Zoo today and you know what, Christine O'Donnell is totally right! I have been in the Zoo for several hours and none of the monkeys there evolved into a human! Take that evolution scientists! And the great thing about this, just one trip to the Zoo will convince everyone evolution is total nonsense! Thank God for giving us Christine O'Donnell. Saving souls has never been this easy.



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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 09-27-2010, 09:55 PM

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To my great surprise a women helped me to finally figure it out. Not only is this women against sins like masturbation and breathing, she is also a scientific genius! Christine O'Donnell on evolution: "You know what? Evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans?"

I went to the Zoo today and you know what, Christine O'Donnell is totally right! I have been in the Zoo for several hours and none of the monkeys there evolved into a human! Take that evolution scientists! And the great thing about this, just one trip to the Zoo will convince everyone evolution is total nonsense! Thank God for giving us Christine O'Donnell. Saving souls has never been this easy.

Really? You've been to the zoo? Well it was about time you back in touch with your family, THE MONKEYS! Seriously, you Sir, are a proof that evolution DOES exist. Just take a look at you, and then at me. I think we both knows who's piffleing monkey 'round here.
Oh well, joking aside; are you piffleing kidding me? That bitch in the interview is your piffleing warrant to support your claim? Are you mentally retarded? Of course a field trip to the zoo won't prove evolution! What, do you expect your visit to last 4000 piffleing million years? That's how long it takes life to evolve from a single celled organism to a human being! It's not like it's scheduled to happen just before lunch or anything! It's a slow process, taking millions and millions of years!
Let me end this thread right here by saying: any reply that isn't scientifically based will and already is perceived as RE-TARD-ED. End of story.
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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 09-27-2010, 10:00 PM

Well, aren't you a narrow minded potty mouthed person.
Tell me this, if the earth has been in esitence for less than 10,000 years, how could animals evilolve for millions?

A slow process? Analog TV was invented in the 30's and is now defunct. Start to finish in 70 years. Please, we did not just get off the boat from denmark!


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 09-27-2010, 10:00 PM

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Really? You've been to the zoo?
Duh! Did you even read the posting?

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Oh well, joking aside; are you piffleing kidding me? That bitch in the interview is your piffleing warrant to support your claim?
Duh! Why else would I show the video.

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Of course a field trip to the zoo won't prove evolution!
Duh! Evolution is a myth! Paying attention is not your thing, now is it?

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What, do you expect your visit to last 4000 piffleing million years? That's how long it takes life to evolve from a single celled organism to a human being!
Duh! I was not looking at a single celled organism but at monkeys. You are really completely incapable of thinking for yourself it seems.

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It's not like it's scheduled to happen just before lunch or anything!
Duh! This is why I lunched before I went to the Zoo. Unlike you, I think about the things I do.

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Let me end this thread right here by saying: any reply that isn't scientifically based will and already is perceived as RE-TARD-ED.
Duh! Science is based on proof. I provided proof. You are wrong, God is right. End of story!


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-05-2010, 02:08 PM

Evolution may involve combinations of factors and emergence of particular traits may take place for lengthy periods of time.

For example, in this case, monkeys may give birth to particular offspring that have traits similar to that of human beings. If surroundings do not make such traits advantageous, then those offspring may not survive. In short, evolution takes place through natural selection, and nature may involve various factors.
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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-05-2010, 02:11 PM

Thank you. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what evilution is.

That doesn't change the fact that its WRONG.


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-05-2010, 02:20 PM

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Evolution may involve combinations of factors and emergence of particular traits may take place for lengthy periods of time.

For example, in this case, monkeys may give birth to particular offspring that have traits similar to that of human beings. If surroundings do not make such traits advantageous, then those offspring may not survive. In short, evolution takes place through natural selection, and nature may involve various factors.


And you believe all that complicated gibberish? Why not use the simple explanation, God created everything, end of story, instead?


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-05-2010, 03:26 PM

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Really? You've been to the zoo? Well it was about time you back in touch with your family, THE MONKEYS! Seriously, you Sir, are a proof that evolution DOES exist. Just take a look at you, and then at me. I think we both knows who's piffleing monkey 'round here.
You're piffling a monkey? That's upsetting, but not surprising; just more proof of the depraved way Darwinists conduct themselves.
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Let me end this thread right here by saying: any reply that isn't scientifically based will and already is perceived as RE-TARD-ED. End of story.
And any science which isn't Biblically based is false by definition. End of story.


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-05-2010, 07:21 PM

Grumpy old man, after reading a few of your threads, I'm starting to believe that you're right about this whole evolution thing, because obviously if evolution existed you would have been wiped from the gene pool a long time ago. I hope for humanity's sake you don't have children.
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Grumpy old man, after reading a few of your threads, I'm starting to believe that you're right about this whole evolution thing, because obviously if evolution existed you would have been wiped from the gene pool a long time ago. I hope for humanity's sake you don't have children.
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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 04:37 PM

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Tell me this, if the earth has been in esitence for less than 10,000 years, how could animals evilolve for millions?

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The earth is not less than 10,000 years old, it is about 4,500,000,000 years old. You are quite a way off my friend. Evolution is a fact, just like the theory of gravity and newtonian mechanics. There is so much evidence out there in nature, all you have to do is study flowers and animals. Dogs are domesticated wolves which have been artificially selected to get certain features. Natural and artificial selection is what drives evolution. I suggest you read up a non-biased scientific paper on evolution as I am no expert.
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Who do you think knows this best? Some satanic scientist or God who actually created the earth and wrote about it in the Bible?

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Evolution and newtonian mechanics are just hypothesis that can't and never will be proven - because they are wrong. Honestly, do you really believe that your grand pappy was a monkey? And if Darwin was so good at evolution, why did he die?


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 05:35 PM

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Who do you think knows this best? Some satanic scientist or God who actually created the earth and wrote about it in the Bible?

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Evolution and newtonian mechanics are just hypothesis that can't and never will be proven - because they are wrong. Honestly, do you really believe that your grand pappy was a monkey? And if Darwin was so good at evolution, why did he die?
My goodness, where do I begin? Ok...
We have evidence from radioactive dating rocks/certain elements. Being a scientist doesn't make you a satanist. There may well be satanists who are scientists, but there are also theist scientists. God also says the earth is flat, but we now know it is not. Woops. God didn't personally write the bible, people did.

Evolution can be, and has been tested. Newtonian mechanics is old news, you can test this yourself at home. Have you seen the footage of Buzz Algrian and Neil Armstrong walking on the moon? At one point he drops a hammer and a feather from the same point and they hit the ground at the same time. This is one of hte fundamentals of newtonian mechanics, all objects accelerate towards what is the ground at about 9.8m/s/s (on earth, on the moon the gravitation field is about a 6th of the earth's).

"If Darwin was so good at Evolution, why did he die?" - You have a gross misunderstanding of Evolution. I think you are thinking of mortality. Woops.
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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 05:57 PM

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My goodness, where do I begin? Ok...
We have evidence from radioactive dating rocks/certain elements.
Oh yes, we've heard of it. We also know that you'll swallow anything that dismisses God. We know this rock is a million years old, because well, it's the same as all these other rocks that are a million years old. How do we know that? Because someone, somewhere decided they were a million years old.

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If you don't worship God, you worship Satan, easy as that.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

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God also says the earth is flat, but we now know it is not. Woops. God didn't personally write the bible, people did.
Really

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Evolution can be, and has been tested.
It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me).

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Newtonian mechanics is old news, you can test this yourself at home.
Except according to your sciences, Newton was wrong.

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Have you seen the footage of Buzz Algrian and Neil Armstrong walking on the moon?
Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley.

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At one point he drops a hammer and a feather from the same point and they hit the ground at the same time. This is one of hte fundamentals of newtonian mechanics, all objects accelerate towards what is the ground at about 9.8m/s/s (on earth, on the moon the gravitation field is about a 6th of the earth's).
Come on, even my 2-year-old knows this isn't true.

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"If Darwin was so good at Evolution, why did he die?" - You have a gross misunderstanding of Evolution. I think you are thinking of mortality. Woops.
Why didn't he just evolve?


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My goodness, where do I begin? Ok...
We have evidence from radioactive dating rocks/certain elements. Being a scientist doesn't make you a satanist. There may well be satanists who are scientists, but there are also theist scientists. God also says the earth is flat, but we now know it is not. Woops. God didn't personally write the bible, people did.

Evolution can be, and has been tested. Newtonian mechanics is old news, you can test this yourself at home. Have you seen the footage of Buzz Algrian and Neil Armstrong walking on the moon? At one point he drops a hammer and a feather from the same point and they hit the ground at the same time. This is one of hte fundamentals of newtonian mechanics, all objects accelerate towards what is the ground at about 9.8m/s/s (on earth, on the moon the gravitation field is about a 6th of the earth's).

"If Darwin was so good at Evolution, why did he die?" - You have a gross misunderstanding of Evolution. I think you are thinking of mortality. Woops.
If you are in fact not lying about the hammer and the feather I'd say that it is God who demonstrates his omnipotence by letting the feather and hammer drop at the same time. And how do you know that the earth isn't flat? Have you ever been on the roof of a tall building? From such a place you can clearly see that the earth is flat as a pancake. All you need is to get high and then you will clearly see that the earth is flat.

You say that all objects accelerate towards the ground with 9,8 m/s/s? This is just plain silly. Feathers don't fall down as quickly as rocks. You can check this at home! You need to read your bible so that you can gain Wisdom and see through the lies that you currently believe in.

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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 06:09 PM

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Oh yes, we've heard of it. We also know that you'll swallow anything that dismisses God. We know this rock is a million years old, because well, it's the same as all these other rocks that are a million years old. How do we know that? Because someone, somewhere decided they were a million years old.


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It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me).


Except according to your sciences, Newton was wrong.


Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley.


Come on, even my 2-year-old knows this isn't true.


Why didn't he just evolve?
No, I don't care if it dismisses god or not, and you do not understand radioactive dating.

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Newton was wrong about what? It's so easy to test basic newtonian mechanics.

"Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley." - If it was done on earth, the hammer would have hit the ground first. On the moon there is no atmosphere, no air, which is why they hit at the same time. If they staged it they would have had to do it in a man made vacuum, which still proves it!

"It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me)." - That is know as artificial selection. If you were to read up on the study by some Russian guy who's name I don't remember, you see how wolves have evolved into dogs by means of natural and artificial selection. They are basically domesticated wolves.

"Why didn't he just evolve" - YOu need to read up on evolution

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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 06:14 PM

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If you are in fact not lying about the hammer and the feather I'd say that it is God who demonstrates his omnipotence by letting the feather and hammer drop at the same time. And how do you know that the earth isn't flat? Have you ever been on the roof of a tall building? From such a place you can clearly see that the earth is flat as a pancake. All you need is to get high and then you will clearly see that the earth is flat.

You say that all objects accelerate towards the ground with 9,8 m/s/s? This is just plain silly. Feathers don't fall down as quickly as rocks. You can check this at home! You need to read your bible so that you can gain Wisdom and see through the lies that you currently believe in.

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This can all be explained by high school physics, which I am not going to do now. Although I will mention the flat earth point:

If you stand on the top of a high building, you will notice that far in the distance the 'stuff' there disappears into the horizon. This is because the earth has a very slight curvature BECAUSE IT IS SPHERICAL, NOT FLAT
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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 06:25 PM

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No, I don't care if it dismisses god or not, and you do not understand radioactive dating.
And you do?

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Exactly our point.

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Newton was wrong about what? It's so easy to test basic newtonian mechanics.
Can't even be bothered to click a link to a secular site, why am I not surprised Because you're so smart, you know it all.

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"Well first of all, prove to me that this wasn't done on a sound stage, or at night in death valley." - If it was done on earth, the hammer would have hit the ground first. On the moon there is no atmosphere, no air, which is why they hit at the same time. If they staged it they would have had to do it in a man made vacuum, which still proves it!
So now you're saying that the physics are different on the moon than on the earth. So to do your test I would have to go to the moon. Why is it that every "proof" that atheists have on this board involve doing something that a normal person is incapable of doing. But I'm supposed to just have "faith" in scientists that they're right.

Sorry, but scientists have been proven wrong so many times, and use such vague language, that I'm not going to put any faith into them.

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"It has, has it? How by creating the Labradoodle? That's breeding, not evolution. I thought we were losing species at a phenomenal rate (according to secular science we're even losing species nobody knows about, although how they know that is beyond me)." - That is know as artificial selection. If you were to read up on the study by some Russian guy who's name I don't remember, you see how wolves have evolved into dogs by means of natural and artificial selection. They are basically domesticated wolves.
What your talking about is silver foxes, not wolves. They bred for temperament and as the foxes temperament improved, the ears flopped over and white spots started developing. However, THEY WERE STILL FOXES! According to your evidence then, a field spaniel is a different species than a cocker spaniel because they have been bred for different purposes and temperaments. Also, wasn't your "scientist" selectively breeding? I've yet to see wild wolves turn into dogs.

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I seem to have a better grasp of it than you do. Your take on it is if a Christian breeds for temperament it's selective breeding, if a scientist breeds for temperament, it's evolution!


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 06:37 PM

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My goodness, where do I begin? Ok...
We have evidence from radioactive dating rocks/certain elements. Being a scientist doesn't make you a satanist.
While I fervently disagree with the "true christians" about the nature of God I must also point out that you are wrong about the age of the earth, the following will explain why and also deal with your point about scientiss and the "evidence" they "find"

A Condensed History of the World
Five Thousand Years Ago:
The Beginning
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THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER created the universe and a bunch of planets, including Earth. No one except Himself was around to see it, but we suspect it was rather dull. The initial creation, obviously, must have been spectacular, but He then spent the next ten to one hundred years painstakingly preparing the universe to appear older then it actually is. Photons were placed individually, en route to earth, ostensibly emitted millions of years ago from stars across the galaxy. In reality, we know that each proton was divinely placed and red-shifted (The universe appears to be expanding, much like cooked pasta, as illustrated by observed light from distant galaxies shifting toward the Marinara Spectrum. Some scientists cite this as support for His preference for red sauce, but they are most likely idiots) appropriately to make the universe appear to be billions of years old. We are still finding His camouflage methods at work today; each time scientists discover apparent evidence of billions-of-years-old universe, we can be assured that this is just more elaborate preparation He put in place.
Earth was created in approximately 0.062831853 seconds and was similarly disguised to appear much older. We can be certain that the FSM spent even more time preparing the earth, because, being all-knowing, He was well aware that soon enough there would be nosy people poking around everywhere. Know as “scientists,” these nosy people have a sick need – probably sexually motivated (As evidence of sexual motivation on the part of scientists, let’s choose an occupation at random, say genecology. These so-called professionals spend their entire lives looking at female sex organs – or poontang, as it’s known in academic circles. Look a little deeper into the fold, and you will find that nearly 99 percent of all gynaecologists have a scientific background. To illustrate just how significant that is, pick another group at random – say myself. I’m not a scientist, and I hardly ever see female sex organs. I find it hard to believe this is just a coincidence. I’m not saying all scientists are perverts, but I think it’s safe to say the nearly all of them are) – to figure out how things work, and so it was even more important that our apparent reality be well designed to hide the truth.


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Default Re: PROOF: Evolution is total nonsense! You can check it yourself - 10-16-2010, 06:44 PM

That article isn't saying "newtonian mechanics is wrong".

Science does go wrong, but that doesn't mean that science is untrustworthy etc. When science is wrong about something, it improves itself. Science is constantly changing as new evidence is discovered. Science is only about finding out stuff through the use of the scientific method. It has no dogma, no agenda.

Just because it may require big expensive equipment to prove something, it doesn't mean it is any less valid. Without the equipment/conditions etc we would not be able to find out the many facts we know today e.g. the speed of light. Without the correct equipment how do you find that out? You don't have faith in what scientists say because faith is a belief based on little/no evidence. What scientists claim is based on evidence, and if it is not sufficient evidence, it will be put aside by work peers (peer review). Like I said, science is only interested in finding out facts (based on evidence).

"A field spaniel is a different species than a cocker spaniel" - I don't know the differences between those two, but they are different species.

The reason wild foxes don't evolve into dogs is because only natural selection is at work. With the other case, it was artificial selection (by the Russian guy) and possible a little natural selection.

"Your take on it is if a Christian breeds for temperament it's selective breeding, if a scientist breeds for temperament, it's evolution!" - I'm not sure what you mean by that
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