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Default 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-03-2011, 02:57 AM

It's a well known fact that most of history's notable people are burning in hell right now. I know we can come up with dozens of reasons why people like Mother Theresa (being a Catholic sadistic cruelty) are slow roasting in the fiery lake right now.

But did you know that some of them had a few redeeming qualities? It's true.

7. Thomas Jefferson



What he did wrong.

One of history's great monsters. A true God mocker if there ever was one. TJ despised Jesus so much that he actually ripped the Old Testament and all the Epistles out of his Bible only leaving the Gospels. He left a wake of hatred for our Lord only second to someone among our founding fathers who isn't making this list!


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I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.

In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to Liberty.

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.


I know it will give great offense to the clergy, but the advocate of religious freedom is to expect neither peace nor forgiveness from them.

Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
His blasphemies go on and on.

What he did right.

Jefferson was staunchly anti-miscegenation like the Bible is.
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“The amalgamation of whites with blacks produces a degradation to which no lover of his country, no lover of excellence in the human character, can innocently consent.”
TJ on slavery predicting a massive negro chimpout the size of which had never been seen before.
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“We have the wolf by the ears and we can neither hold him nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale and self-preservation in the other.”
TJ believing slavery would inevitably end, but like Lincoln at (number five on this list) he noted that the blacks can't live here after they are freed or they would go on a raping and theft spree. See Detroit for an example.

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“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people (slaves) are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them."
See? Even history's greatest monsters have their upside.


6. Patrick Henry



What he did wrong.

Disobedience to authority. He started an entire war because he didn't feel like paying his taxes causing the death of 50,000 people. After all the trouble he put us through, he opposed the second most dear document in the hearts of Americans; the U.S. Constitution. Given all that, it's no wonder Patty is currently being bent over by a demon in the lake of sulfur.

What he did right.

Patrick loved his wife. Instead of sending her to an asylum. He simply locked the demon possessed woman in his basement in a straight jacket. On second thought, maybe that wasn't so good. Surely there was some True Christian ™ who could have saved the poor woman's soul.

Still, it was a nice gesture on his part.

5. Abraham Lincoln



What he did wrong.

You may be asking yourself what he didn't do wrong. He unilaterally illegalized secession. He subverted the God ordained property rights of dozens of slave owners. He unleashed holocaust and terror on the southern states completely destroying their infrastructure for nearly a century. Lincoln was truly a fiend of the worst sort!

What he did right.

He believed in the curse of Ham.

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“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
He even helped to found new places around the world where he wanted to deport the darkies to!

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They found an order from Mr Lincoln in June 1863 authorising a British colonial agent, John Hodge, to recruit freed slaves to be sent to colonies in what are now the countries of Guyana and Belize.
“Hodge reported back to a British minister that Lincoln said it was his ‘honest desire’ that this emigration went ahead,” said Mr Page, a historian at Oxford University.
So you can see that even Lincoln wasn't all bad.

4. Pope Alexander VI



What he did wrong.

Besides being the Pope and sitting on the throne of the Whore of Babylon? A whole lot. Alexander VI, born Roderic Borgia, is synonymous with corruption, fornication and founding the first Italian organized crime family. It is rumored that he encouraged an incestuous love affair between his son and daughter.

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The Banquet of Chestnuts, known more properly as the Ballet of Chestnuts, refers to a fête in Rome, and particularly to a supper held in the Papal Palace by Don Cesare Borgia, son of Pope Alexander VI on October 30, 1501.[1] An account of the banquet is preserved in a Latin diary by Protonotary Apostolic and Master of Ceremonies Johann Burchard (it is entitled Liber Notarum).


The banquet was given in Cesare's apartments in the Palazzo Apostolico. Fifty prostitutes or courtesans were in attendance for the entertainment of the banquet guests. After the food was eaten, lamp stands holding lighted candles were placed on the floor and chestnuts strewn about. The clothes of the courtesans were auctioned; then the prostitutes and the guests crawled naked among the lamp stands to pick up the chestnuts. Immediately following the spectacle, members of the clergy and other party guests together engaged with the prostitutes in sexual activity.[2] According to Burchard, "prizes were offered--silken doublets, pairs of shoes, hats and other garments--for those men who were most successful with the prostitutes".[3]
According to William Manchester, "Servants kept score of each man's orgasms, for the pope greatly admired virility and measured a man's machismo by his ejaculative capacity."[4] Another source[5] states that Pope Alexander VI was actually there and himself suggested the scorekeeping method. Manchester also refers to the use of sex toys; Burchard, however, makes no reference to this in his account of the banquet.
Yeah...

What he did right.

As early as 1435 Pope Eugene IV issued an attack on slavery in his Papal bull Sicut Dudum which included the excommunication of all those who engage in the slave trade.

As we all know, the Bible says slavery is a God given right.

Rodrigo fixed that with Columbus' discovery of America.

"Eximiae devotionis" (3 May 1493), "Inter Caetera" (4 May 1493) and "Dudum Siquidem (23 September 1493), conferred ownership rights to Spain in relation to the new found lands in the Americas. These bulls gave power to enslave the natives thus paving the way for Christianity in the Americas.

Every cloud has a silver lining, right?
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Default Re: 7 historical figures who were occasionally okay despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-03-2011, 04:27 AM

3. Woodrow Wilson



What he did wrong.

First of all he was a demoncrat, but that's not enough to get him on this list alone. Woody was a real bastard who essentially foisted World War I on America. He forced the U.S. into the international stage and European politics with his League of Nations nonsense. Basically every war the U.S. has been in the 20th and 21st centuries we have Wilson to thank for.

What he did right.

Wilson was a staunch supporter of states rights and the ability to organize people into a faith based group to police themselves.

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White men of the South were aroused by the mere instinct of self-preservation until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan.
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Almost upon taking office, he fired most of the African Americans who held posts within the federal government, and segregated the Navy, which until then had been desegregated. Many of the newly segregated parts of Wilson’s federal government would remain so, clear into the 1950s.

Woodrow Wilson took advantage of his presidency to help correct many of what he considered to be the wrongs of the Reconstruction. Wilson believed white southerners to be the only real citizens and feared what might arise from a south “ruled by an ignorant and inferior race.”
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President Woodrow Wilson regarded "hyphenated Americans" with suspicion, saying, "Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready
Practically Sarah Palin material there.


2. Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia



What he did wrong.

I'll let this tell the story of the real life Dracula.

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More than anything else the historical Dracula is known for his inhuman cruelty. Impalement was Vlad III’s preferred method of torture and execution. Impalement was and is one of the most gruesome ways of dying imaginable, as it was typically slow and painful.
Vlad usually had a horse attached to each of the victim’s legs and a sharpened stake was gradually forced into the body. The end of the stake was usually oiled and care was taken that the stake not be too sharp, else the victim might die too rapidly from shock. Normally the stake was inserted into the body through the buttocks and was often forced through the body until it emerged from the mouth. However, there were many instances where victims were impaled through other body orifices or through the abdomen or chest. Infants were sometimes impaled on the stake forced through their mother’s chests. The records indicate that victims were sometimes impaled so that they hung upside down on the stake.
Vlad Tepes often had the stakes arranged in various geometric patterns. The most common pattern was a ring of concentric circles in the outskirts of a city that was his target. The height of the spear indicated the rank of the victim. The decaying corpses were often left up for months. It was once reported that an invading Turkish army turned back in fright when it encountered thousands of rotting corpses impaled on the banks of the Danube. In 1461 Mohammed II, the conqueror of Constantinople, a man not noted for his squeamishness, returned to Constantinople after being sickened by the sight of twenty thousand impaled Turkish prisoners outside of the city of Tirgoviste.
What he did right.

Bad guy, right? Not so fast! Vlad was a staunch Christian who had to do these things to keep the Turkish Muslims at bay. Vlad had served as a hostage to the Turkish court as a young man. He had refused to convert to Islam even when his brother did. It was his love for our Lord and Savior that caused him to kill tens of thousands of people.

Not only was Vlad a good guy, he's one of the reasons you're not wearing a burkah now, ladies.

1. Ivan IV of Russia




What he did wrong.

Also known as Ivan The Terrible. He was responsible for limiting the movement of his peasants essentially turning his own citizens into slaves. He also assassinated many of his nobles in purges that would remind people of a later ruler who had no redeeming qualities to make this list. Ivan also carried on an offensive war for 24 years without actually gaining any territory.

Ivan believed that the elite of the city of Novgorod was planning to defect to Poland. In exchange, he led an army to stop them. On January 2. Ivan’s soldiers built walls around the perimeter of the city in order to prevent the people of the city escaping. Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son.

What he did right.

Ivan was another family man.

Instead of allowing his family to be embarrassed by his daughter in law's whorish clothing, he smacked her silly. When his son took issue with his dad punching the bitch, dad got all Biblical with the boy.

Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Except that it was God's will that he should die, because Ivan Jr. died.

Ivan was also a great protector of Christianity and a patron to it. He had St. Basil's Cathedral constructed in Moscow.

All and all, Ivan wasn't too bad of a guy either.
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Default Re: 7 historical figures who were occasionally okay despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-03-2011, 12:37 PM

Amazing to know that even some of the most evil people can have the goodness of the LORD within them! Let us shout GLORY!


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Default Re: 7 historical figures who were occasionally okay despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-04-2011, 08:43 AM

I switched TJ and Lincoln. Lincoln deserved to be higher on the list.
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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-04-2011, 12:51 PM

Thank you, Pastor, for that enlightening lesson in history.

It is reassuring to see that even though these figures seemed to get away with evil deeds during their lifetimes, they are still burning in hell for what they did.


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-04-2011, 04:47 PM

Even if Abraham Lincoln did do those things, he did them for the rights of other men. I see nothing wrong with giving all good men equal rights.
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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-04-2011, 05:36 PM

This thread is a great reminder that if you look hard enough you can find a redeeming quality or two in even the most wretched person. Look at Barry HUSSEIN Osama for example. Who would have thought a couple of years ago that he'd find a reason to drop Godly American bombs all over some new arab dungheap. Yet here we are, exploding 'friend' and foe alike in Libya!

Heck, he somehow even got the French to join in and bomb some Libyan towelheads (without surrendering)!

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Even if Abraham Lincoln did do those things, he did them for the rights of other men...
Wrong.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union;..."

- Letter to Horace Greeley (22 August 1862) Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. Volume 5

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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-05-2011, 04:14 AM

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Even if Abraham Lincoln did do those things, he did them for the rights of other men. I see nothing wrong with giving all good men equal rights.
Good men, yes. Shiftless nigras, no.


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Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-05-2011, 02:09 PM

Tsk, Tsk.

There is as much chance of a Pope burning in Hell as there is a Baptist sitting on the Supreme Court and having better teeth than your average Brit.

PG6 was ahead of his time, not understood by his contemporaries and thus often misrepresented by the scribes of his day. If there is anything he might regret it is that his leadership in some small way is responsible for that whole 'Jersey Shore' business.



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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-05-2011, 04:50 PM

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There is as much chance of a Pope burning in Hell as there is a Baptist sitting on the Supreme Court and having better teeth than your average Brit.
Sorry, Mr. Mo, but even the next Unholy Father disagreed with you. From here:
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Alexander's successor on the Throne of Saint Peter, Francesco Todeschini-Piccolomini, who assumed the name of Pope Pius III (1503), forbade the saying of a Mass for the repose of Alexander VI's soul, saying, "It is blasphemous to pray for the damned."


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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-08-2011, 07:39 PM

I was under the impression that Patrick Henry was actually a very strong Christian. If that was true, then why would he be considered evil, or even in hell by you?


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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-09-2011, 02:27 AM

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I was under the impression that Patrick Henry was actually a very strong Christian. If that was true, then why would he be considered evil, or even in hell by you?
Shut your yap, nazi.


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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 08-09-2011, 04:54 PM

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I was under the impression that Patrick Henry was actually a very strong Christian. If that was true, then why would he be considered evil, or even in hell by you?
Patrick Henry was
  • Against the Constitution Jesus gave the US
  • He was for the oppression of States' rights
  • He lead a rebellion against a lawful authority (crown of England)



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Shut your yap, nazi.
Yup; it's easy to connect dots here: Nietzsche – Übermensch – Nazis

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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 09-05-2011, 12:38 AM

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I am mildly confused about why Vlad III is burning in Hell, could you please explain it to me? It seems like he dedicated his life to the Work of the Lord.


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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 09-06-2011, 08:27 PM

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I am mildly confused about why Vlad III is burning in Hell, could you please explain it to me? It seems like he dedicated his life to the Work of the Lord.
I guess I forgot to mention that Vlad was a Catholic.
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Default Re: 7 evil people from history who were occasionally okay, despite them burning in hell for eternity. - 10-28-2011, 09:31 PM

Wow so insightful. There is another great view regarding this here. Hope that this helps some of you to further understand

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