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True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-17-2013, 02:30 AM
If scientists believe in atoms, it is our duty as Christians to be skeptical of this.
I would like to remind these so called scientists that you have never actually seen an atom. We can at least ask for proof that their theory is correct.
Now, I am not saying atoms are not a possibility. I simply want to see more proof of them before I go and accept something just because scientists say so.
The fact remains that it is a theory, and it is a theory because it is as yet unproven. My problem is with presenting it as fact. In addition, I believe that those who understand that it is simply a theory, but present it as fact anyway are engaged in a type of magical thinking.
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01-20-2013, 06:44 AM
Amen! If scientists say the sky is blue, we had better go outside and make sure.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-20-2013, 07:17 AM
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The fact remains that it is a theory, and it is a theory because it is as yet unproven. My problem is with presenting it as fact. In addition, I believe that those who understand that it is simply a theory, but present it as fact anyway are engaged in a type of magical thinking.
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Indeed Brother Jones. If we look at some of the other scientific theories that were at one time or another considered "facts," we'd still believe in:
Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects.
Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air. “
Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny".
Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents
Hollow Earth theory
The Open Polar Sea, an ice-free sea once supposed to surround the North Pole
Astrology
Phrenology Goodness, I could go on and on, but... how embarrassing for the scientists!
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-20-2013, 08:55 AM
Many of my best friends are scientists. It's possible to love God and know that things like the Adam and Eve story are just like stories with morals in them like you should trust God even if he tells you a bit of a lie for your own good and protection. Sometimes God has lied to us for our own good, like when He said the earth was made in six days. It was to keep us focused on what we needed to do to survive rather than always wondering, back when we weren't very good at surviving.
Now, of course, we are very good at surviving. But God still loves us, He's just not quite so worried about us knowing a bit more about how He really made this wondrous universe. Many scientists manage to be respectful of your beliefs...
Why not come and join us in worshipping Jesus without all this silliness? I mean, God didn't lie about Him, now, did He?
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-20-2013, 09:44 AM
It's just a theory, so what is there to believe? I will believe in them once those scientists can prove that atoms exist.
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01-20-2013, 09:51 AM
Hello Levi Jones. One of my children is a physicist and the last time I talked to him which was a long time ago he said that atoms and molecules are mentioned in the Bible. I did not believe him and he showed me Hebrews 11:3 which says:
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
I said that does not mean things are made out of atoms and molecules but out of the word of God it says so right at the beginning of the verse. He said I have gone off the deep end but I can not swim since my accident.
He works for the government. His wife smells like baby powder.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-21-2013, 03:43 PM
The atom-worshipers should at least get their story straight. "Atom" comes from the Greek word ἄτομος, "indivisible," but now they say that atoms are made of smaller bits, which in turn are made of smaller bits. At the very least, we should teach the controversy and teach our children the gaps in atomic theory, so that they can make up their own minds.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-22-2013, 11:00 PM
I hope you folks are aware that one word can have multiple meanings, right? "Theory" doesn't mean a 'hunch' or a 'guess'. That is the word hypothesis. A hypothesis is an educated guess, which is then tested (in whatever fashion). The VAST majority of the time, no hypothesis survives the early stages of testing. It is either modified, or scrapped altogether once conflicting data is discovered.
A theory is basically something that has withstood rigorous testing and can be called a "fact". Not so much "this is the absolute truth", no. Quite the contrary, it's more "This is the truth based on the data that has been accumulated, and further data can possibly alter or outright dismiss this theory. but for now, everything checks out".
That's the beauty of science. It doesn't presume to know everything. It is a self-correcting system.
When the Black Plague rolled around, people had the HYPOTHESIS that it was punishment from god for the wicked. That hypothesis changed rather quickly once even the most pious of holy men started dropping like flies as frequently as the "wicked". Now we know better, and the Germ Theory was developed. You can purchase a microscope for yourself and observe bacteria. Viruses are too small to see with light microscopes, but a good number of bacteria are still plenty visible.
Anyways, yes, Atom means "indivisible" from greek. It's simply a remnant to show how knowledge has progressed. In the same way the bible claims that bats are birds, when they are in fact mammals.
It is impossible to see an atom with your own eyes, because the wavelengths that make up the visible spectrum are much larger than actual atoms. However, tools have been developed that construct an image of atoms.
Science is nothing to be feared or hated. The true key to salvation is to understand the natural world. Skepticism is the greatest virtue to have.
Religion claims to have the answer to everything, but that is not a good thing. The greatest threat to any society is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-22-2013, 11:02 PM
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The atom-worshipers should at least get their story straight. "Atom" comes from the Greek word ἄτομος, "indivisible," but now they say that atoms are made of smaller bits, which in turn are made of smaller bits. At the very least, we should teach the controversy and teach our children the gaps in atomic theory, so that they can make up their own minds.
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and now they say it's made up of itty-bitty pieces of string. I guess those strings are made up of different atoms as well.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-22-2013, 11:05 PM
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A theory is basically something that has withstood rigorous testing and can be called a "fact". Not so much "this is the absolute truth", no. Quite the contrary, it's more "This is the truth based on the data that has been accumulated, and further data can possibly alter or outright dismiss this theory. but for now, everything checks out".
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Well that's silly to believe something only until something better comes along. Look at some of the things your precious "science theories" were "sure" was "facts:"
* Spontaneous generation - is a principle regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter, which held that this process was a commonplace and everyday occurrence, as distinguished from univocal generation, or reproduction from parent(s).
* Transmutation of species, Lamarckism, inheritance of acquired characteristics - first theories of evolution.
* Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects.
* Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air. “
* Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny".
* Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents
* Out of Asia theory of human origin
Can you blame intelligent people for not falling for science again? After all, you know what they say: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-22-2013, 11:12 PM
No one in the scientific community takes "string theorists" seriously.
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Well that's silly to believe something only until something better comes along. Look at some of the things your precious "science theories" were "sure" was "facts:"
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We are only human, and prone to error. What matters is correcting that error. Which religion rarely does... I mean, I know you guys hate catholics (as do I), but it's an example of religion being unwilling to change: taking centuries to finally pardon Galileo for his claim of heliocentrism.
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* Spontaneous generation - is a principle regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter, which held that this process was a commonplace and everyday occurrence, as distinguished from univocal generation, or reproduction from parent(s).
* Transmutation of species, Lamarckism, inheritance of acquired characteristics - first theories of evolution.
* Maternal impression – the theory that the mother's thoughts created birth defects.
* Miasma theory of disease – the theory that diseases are caused by "bad air. “
* Recapitulation theory – the theory that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny".
* Telegony – the theory that an offspring can inherit characteristics from a previous mate of its mother's as well as its actual parents
* Out of Asia theory of human origin
Can you blame intelligent people for not falling for science again? After all, you know what they say: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Yes, these theories have since been REVISED. If not outright abandoned/scrapped. For instance, the miasma theory was revised and became the germ theory. instead of "bad air", it's "air that is bad because it contains germs".
The issue is the tools available at the time. I'm pretty sure the miasma theory was changed once microscopes were invented.
The out of asia theory was changed once better tools were invented to better trace genetic ancestry, or otherwise map it out better.
Also, is there an edit button? I can't seem to find it. I sometimes make a post and remember something I forgot to add, but I wouldn't want to double-post if it's against the rules.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-22-2013, 11:34 PM
"Theory" is just a fancy way of saying it's not in the Bible.
The theory of atoms, the theory of evolution, the theory of gravity, it's all pure nonsense. No doubt all thought up by those gay orgy freaks at NASA while trying to figure out how to move on from faking a Moon landing to faking a Mars landing.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-22-2013, 11:39 PM
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"Theory" is just a fancy way of saying it's not in the Bible.
The theory of atoms, the theory of evolution, the theory of gravity, it's all pure nonsense. No doubt all thought up by those gay orgy freaks at NASA while trying to figure out how to move on from faking a Moon landing to faking a Mars landing.
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The bible is simply a classic piece of literature. I don't see anyone waving around Homer's Odyssey like it matters.
All theories summarize acquired data in a manner that does not contradict that data.
Unlike the bible, which cannot even get Jesus's birth correct.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=KJV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=KJV
So when was jesus born? During herod's rule, or augustus's?
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-23-2013, 12:10 AM
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The bible is simply a classic piece of literature. I don't see anyone waving around Homer's Odyssey like it matters.
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That's because it doesn't.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
01-23-2013, 12:14 AM
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
04-16-2013, 08:00 PM
I have got to say, what you are saying is preposterous. Scientists have proved that atoms exist, theory is something that is 99.9999999% true, we think that it is almost certainty true, but is is subject to amendment, like any piece of work. You are stupid to be thinking that because a book written in the 15th century says something, that something must be true. You must be out of your mind to think this, obviously under the control of Satan.
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Re: True Christians don't believe in Atomic THEORY. -
04-16-2013, 08:18 PM
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I simply want to see more proof of them before I go and accept something just because scientists say so.
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Proof of atoms:
- The existence of atoms having a fixed ratio of compounds - water made up of 2 parts (Hydrogen and Oxygen) - no other way to combine them.
- The logical answer - if atoms aren't true, why would that be true?
- Rutherford's Experiment - fired alpha particles at a very thin sheet of gold foil. They passed straight through the foil, but a few were reflected as they passed.
- Can you explain the Rutherford's observation in the context of matter being made of infinitely divisible things.
- Nuclear reactors and Nuclear weapons - designer around the premise of actual atoms. (worked perfectly)
I'm sure this won't convince you, and whenever somebody like you becomes convinced that scientists just sit around and spout out crazy theories", it's unlikely you'll be convinced by any amount of reason.
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The fact remains that it is a theory, and it is a theory because it is as yet unproven.
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A theory can never be proven. However, when a theory is supported by lots of positive evidence, it is no longer reasonable to doubt it.
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04-17-2013, 03:56 AM
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I have got to say, what you are saying is preposterous. Scientists have proved that atoms exist, theory is something that is 99.9999999% true, we think that it is almost certainty true, but is is subject to amendment, like any piece of work. You are stupid to be thinking that because a book written in the 15th century says something, that something must be true. You must be out of your mind to think this, obviously under the control of Satan.
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