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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 05:24 AM

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If light is travelling, then why does it not break things when it hits something.
If you took a leaf, held it above the windshield on your car, and then dropped it, it would fall onto your windshield, no?

But wait! Did your windshield shatter? No? But the leaf was traveling when it hit the glass, right? Well what does this mean then?
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 05:29 AM

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If you took a leaf, held it above the windshield on your car, and then dropped it, it would fall onto your windshield, no?

But wait! Did your windshield shatter? No? But the leaf was traveling when it hit the glass, right? Well what does this mean then?
I don't believe light travels at all, i've looked at various models and worked on many but none of it works. The basics of visual perception is often overlooked. When we look at something what is actually going on? The emission theory states that the light emits (not a travelling speed) from our own eyes not from the object we look at. The intromission theory states the opposite.

The emission theory is the most common sense, so i don't believe there is any speed of light. The 'Starlight Problem' has never been a problem for me and the Young Earth Creationism model. The earliest Church Fathers (2nd-4th century AD) who believed in emmision theory also had no problem with starlight and a young universe.
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 05:35 AM

If light emits from our own eyes, why can we not see in the dark?
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 06:49 AM

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If you took a leaf, held it above the windshield on your car, and then dropped it, it would fall onto your windshield, no?

But wait! Did your windshield shatter? No? But the leaf was traveling when it hit the glass, right? Well what does this mean then?
Take that same leaf and fire it at your windshield at 299792458 meters per second and see how fast it smashes the glass. What your saying is the equivalent of being bumped by a car at 2mph would have the same effect as if I hit you at 200mph.


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If you took a leaf, held it above the windshield on your car, and then dropped it, it would fall onto your windshield, no?

But wait! Did your windshield shatter? No? But the leaf was traveling when it hit the glass, right? Well what does this mean then?
What does this have to do with light?
Are you trying to tell me light is actually leaves falling off a tree.


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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 07:07 AM

The point I'm proving here is that not everything that travels has the power to break things.

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Take that same leaf and fire it at your windshield at 299792458 meters per second and see how fast it smashes the glass. What your saying is the equivalent of being bumped by a car at 2mph would have the same effect as if I hit you at 200mph.
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If you took a leaf, held it above the windshield on your car, and then dropped it, it would fall onto your windshield, no?

But wait! Did your windshield shatter? No? But the leaf was traveling when it hit the glass, right? Well what does this mean then?
The fixed stars are imbedded in the firmament that surrounds the earth. They are not millions of years old. Don't believe the claims of athest scientists. They were not around a million years ago to check.
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 02:02 PM

We can see the light from the stars because the stars are much larger than any earthly object we could see from 10 miles away!
Your windshield does not break because when a photon hits a solid surface, it is either reflected, or absorbed. You do realise that photons are about as small as electrons(could be a little smaller, actually).
If light had no speed, then it would be either in a static state, or in all places at once, meaning that it wouldn't travel. If light does not travel, then how is it that shadows occur? A shadow appears when an object obscures light's path and that area is no longer illuminated. If light were static, that place would be eternally lit.
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 05:18 PM

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We can see the light from the stars because the stars are much larger than any earthly object we could see from 10 miles away!
Your windshield does not break because when a photon hits a solid surface, it is either reflected, or absorbed. You do realise that photons are about as small as electrons(could be a little smaller, actually).
If light had no speed, then it would be either in a static state, or in all places at once, meaning that it wouldn't travel. If light does not travel, then how is it that shadows occur? A shadow appears when an object obscures light's path and that area is no longer illuminated. If light were static, that place would be eternally lit.
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Are you arguing against me? Cause I'm on your side here, these people are absolute basket cases.
Son, resorting to name calling and childish insults are tatics used by a person who has lost the discussion. Just look at your signature!

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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 05:32 PM

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Son, resorting to name calling and childish insults are tatics used by a person who has lost the discussion. Just look at your signature!
And calling followers of other religions "catlicks," "mooselimbs," or "joos" is not name calling?

And are you the one who changed my signature? Do you really think that your clever for doing that? It doesn't even make sense now! At least change it to something cool like "I am a Godless atheist who can't wait to burn for all of eternity" or something like that.


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And calling followers of other religions "catlicks," "mooselimbs," or "joos" is not name calling?

And are you the one who changed my signature? Do you really think that your clever for doing that? It doesn't even make sense now! At least change it to something cool like "I am a Godless atheist who can't wait to burn for all of eternity" or something like that.
Son, I have never resorted to the lame tactics you have. I feel sorry for you, I really do. Had you let Jesus in your life, you would not be so terribly bitter.

No, I have not changed your signature. Though I must admit, it does seem to fit now.
I am merely observant. It is called reading comprehension.


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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 06:51 PM

OK, I'll take a shot at this one: When I was a child, I believed that they were stars, now, as an adult, I believe that they are satellites, and it's the reflection from the sun that makes them light up, because I too don't believe that stars that are gazillions of light years away but yet we can see them, no way, so I will stick to my satellite theory.
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-01-2010, 06:57 PM

Revelation 6:13 - And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The only thing I can think of that would fall to earth from the heavens, are satellites, if I am wrong, please correct me, if this scripture has been used out of context, please correct me.
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We can see the light from the stars because the stars are much larger than any earthly object we could see from 10 miles away!
Have you been to these stars? Did you measure the distances? No, you did not. Therefore, yours is just a theory... a Godless, heathen theory.
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Your windshield does not break because when a photon hits a solid surface, it is either reflected, or absorbed. You do realise that photons are about as small as electrons(could be a little smaller, actually).
Photons? Electrons? What daemonic things are these? On second thought, please do not answer. I don't think any good Christian needs to know.
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If light had no speed, then it would be either in a static state, or in all places at once, meaning that it wouldn't travel. If light does not travel, then how is it that shadows occur? A shadow appears when an object obscures light's path and that area is no longer illuminated. If light were static, that place would be eternally lit.
What you say makes no sense and you know it. Quit being obtuse.

Light has no travel time, objects are clearly made visible instantaneously. Shadows are something else entirely, however. I would appreciate a True Christian theologian's input on this to help me fully understand but it's obvious to me that your approach on this is completely false and anti-Biblical.

"the shadows flee away" in Song of Solomon 2:17. Something capable of fleeing is not merely a result of some other phenomenon. Shadows must be a thing themselves.
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Have you been to these stars? Did you measure the distances? No, you did not. Therefore, yours is just a theory... a Godless, heathen theory.
Photons? Electrons? What daemonic things are these? On second thought, please do not answer. I don't think any good Christian needs to know.
What you say makes no sense and you know it. Quit being obtuse.

Light has no travel time, objects are clearly made visible instantaneously. Shadows are something else entirely, however. I would appreciate a True Christian theologian's input on this to help me fully understand but it's obvious to me that your approach on this is completely false and anti-Biblical.

"the shadows flee away" in Song of Solomon 2:17. Something capable of fleeing is not merely a result of some other phenomenon. Shadows must be a thing themselves.
You extreme fool and hypocrite! Dont you realize the very computer your using is based on the workings of electrons and atoms? If you believe in the atom and electron and photon being daemonic then you need to smash your computer right now. OH Yeah you also need to smash your microwave, your tv, your car, your electric lights.... Basically everything that you take for granted.
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You extreme fool and hypocrite! Dont you realize the very computer your using is based on the workings of electrons and atoms? If you believe in the atom and electron and photon being daemonic then you need to smash your computer right now. OH Yeah you also need to smash your microwave, your tv, your car, your electric lights.... Basically everything that you take for granted.
You appear to be very aggressive. Stop smashing things up just because you do like them.


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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-02-2010, 12:17 AM

You appear to have something wrong with your reading comprehension, and bottom line you're rather unintelligent and/or passive-agressive. Every single post I've seen from you is complete idiocy, completely disregarding the writer's argument.

The earth is a sphere, you're wrong, and if you even took the time to ask the GPS manufacturer or map manufacturer they would tell you the same thing.

You will of course try and bring up something to change the subject, because theres no way you'd be able to factually respond without sounding like a complete idiot.
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-02-2010, 12:32 AM

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You appear to have something wrong with your reading comprehension, and bottom line you're rather unintelligent and/or passive-agressive. Every single post I've seen from you is complete idiocy, completely disregarding the writer's argument.

The earth is a sphere, you're wrong, and if you even took the time to ask the GPS manufacturer or map manufacturer they would tell you the same thing.

You will of course try and bring up something to change the subject, because theres no way you'd be able to factually respond without sounding like a complete idiot.

GPS is a key tool in the Satanic Globularist Conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth from mankind. I challenge you to conduct an experiment proving the sphericity of the Earth which is not reliant on geographic or cartographic assumptions that the Earth is round. You can post your answer in the thread on the flatness of the Earth.


The idea that the Earth is a spinning globe whirling at close to the speed of sound near the equator, and that the stars are actually gigantic balls of gas (also moving through space at incredible speeds) is so preposterous it defies belief. Only a Satanist could be so evil as to propogate it, and only an atheist could be so stupid as to swallow it.
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Default Re: How can we see stars if they are "millions of light years" aw - 11-02-2010, 12:47 AM

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You appear to have something wrong with your reading comprehension, and bottom line you're rather unintelligent and/or passive-agressive. Every single post I've seen from you is complete idiocy, completely disregarding the writer's argument.

The earth is a sphere, you're wrong, and if you even took the time to ask the GPS manufacturer or map manufacturer they would tell you the same thing.

You will of course try and bring up something to change the subject, because theres no way you'd be able to factually respond without sounding like a complete idiot.
There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension, it is you having the problems. Of course I say someone is wrong if they said something wrong. Are you one of these people who let someone remain without knowledge just to mock them and make you feel smarter.

Since when have I changed the subject. I am always reminding people to stay on topic. So stay on topic of this thread.


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Ezekiel 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
Proverbs 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
Song of Solomon 1:15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.
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