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Default Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 10:56 AM

I know that Tolkien was a Christian but the story seems a bit like a D&D type thing, with wizards and orcs. Is it ok, or are there some problems to stay clear of?
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 11:07 AM

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I know that Tolkien was a Christian but the story seems a bit like a D&D type thing, with wizards and orcs. Is it ok, or are there some problems to stay clear of?
Absolutely! It's as bad as Harry Potter. There is divination and witchcraft. If you don't know what the Bible says about those, I will be glad to post supporting scriptures.


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 11:24 AM

Hobbits are just another name for dwarf homersexurals.
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 12:00 PM

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Hobbits are just another name for dwarf homersexurals.
why thank you, and it seems to me that those elves are dressed rather iffy with their long blonde hair, only belongs on a homosexual if you ask me...
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 02:07 PM

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I know that Tolkien was a Christian
Actually, he was a Romanist, which is not at all the same thing.


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 03:11 PM

They don't praise Jesus in the LOTR, so I think you pretty much answered your own question.


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 04:06 PM

Why The Lord of the Rings is wrong.

Paganism: Nature worship is rampart in the books. See the Trents who attack Isengard for industrializing, Lotherien and the Shire are presented as tree hugging utopias. Isengard, Mordor and Moria are clearly over the top warning of the "failure" not to worship nature and industrialize like Jesus wants. Talking animals like the eagles attempt to present animals as something more for humans to use for their needs for food, clothing and lust.

Goddess Worship: Not surprising for a Catholic like Tolkien. See Galadriel. It was very clear the Tolkien wanted to stop the book were Frodo offers the Ring to Galadriel and she goes on to world dominating femnazi regime were are males are castrated and the executed but Tolkien's friends like the godly C S Lewis, who knew a thing or two about women, urged him to write on. Also goddess worship is done allegorically with Mount Doom in Mordor and Shelob.

Homosexuality: Numerous homosexual relationships in the story; top and bottom with Frodo and Samwise, bear and effeminate with Gimily and Legolas, the whole capture of Pippen and Merry by the Isengard orcs is a classic homosexual BDSM scenario that Tolkien was forced to heavily edit by his publisher. Finally there was the disgusting three way mud wrestling between Frodo, Samwise and Golemn at the base of the allegorical mother goddess Mount Doom. If two words sum up the homosexual content of Lord of The Rings they are; "hobbit hole".

Anti-Capitalism: The negative presentation of industrialized and free marker embracing Mordor, the orcs, Sauron and Isengard. Inversely the non-capitalistic shire, Lotherian and Rivendale (all are self sufficient and green technology) are shown positivity instead of the socialist hell holes they are. The decline of Gondor is explained as caused by the acceptance of a military-industrial complex. The former point is laughable since all Gondor need to do to defeat Sauron was to cut their oppressive tax rate, expand the Gondor military and crush Mordor in a two week campaign of sock and awe. The fall of Moria is also explained as caused by greed.

Anti-Christian: Jesus never mentioned once, or given thanks. Frodo goes off to paradise without dying like he is some kind of messianic figure. Eagles instead of angels rescue people. As to be expected from a Catholic The Lord of the Rings is a massive argument for the false pagan ideology of Salvation Threw Works. Frodo has to chose to make the journey to destroy the One Ring and not turn himself over to Jesus to save him. In fact the whole argument the world needs saving from evil instead of being punished and then destroyed is an inherently anti-Christian position.

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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 04:09 PM

The Lord of the Rings is quite blatant gay propaganda. You only have to glance at the cover to know so. The "Fellowship of the Ring", The "Two Towers" Come on. It’s not even subtle.

Not to mention the homer love story of those two midgets. And that blatantly gay "elf". The book is an abomination from cover to cover, describing in vivid detail the exploits of two short men who fall in love and share the burden of the "ring". It's full of pagan references, wiccan rituals and majik.

That book should be burned on a pyre.


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 04:32 PM

We covered this subject years ago when those demonic movies first came out. I admit that I went to see "The Return of The King" thinking that it was about Jesus. It wasn't.

Even McDonald's played a hand in pushing the radical gay agenda encrypted throughout the trilogy.


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-10-2010, 06:21 PM

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We covered this subject years ago when those demonic movies first came out. I admit that I went to see "The Return of The King" thinking that it was about Jesus. It wasn't.

Even McDonald's played a hand in pushing the radical gay agenda encrypted throughout the trilogy.
I recall your very words after viewing Lord of the Rings was you hadn't seen so much implied gay sex since a Doris Day movie. Your' detailed account of the depravity of the Wizard fight in the first movie, our as you put it Pastor the "tallywacker fencing session" is a classic of True Christian teaching on Hollywood.



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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-11-2010, 12:26 AM

All i can say is, the main hobbit character is gay, but his hobbit friend is not since he is the only character in the movie who got married with a woman. I never saw one female Dwarf in the movie so its accurate to say that dwarf are gay.


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All i can say is, the main hobbit character is gay, but his hobbit friend is not since he is the only character in the movie who got married with a woman. I never saw one female Dwarf in the movie so its accurate to say that dwarf are gay.
How many female character were there in the story; two elf women. And remember elves = gay guys. All the characters in Lord of the Rings were gay.



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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-11-2010, 04:17 PM

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All i can say is, the main hobbit character is gay, but his hobbit friend is not since he is the only character in the movie who got married with a woman. I never saw one female Dwarf in the movie so its accurate to say that dwarf are gay.
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 05-12-2010, 05:33 AM

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All i can say is, the main hobbit character is gay, but his hobbit friend is not since he is the only character in the movie who got married with a woman. I never saw one female Dwarf in the movie so its accurate to say that dwarf are gay.
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 11-20-2010, 02:55 AM

Oh wow... you guys really know nothing about anything out side your little bible bubble huh? Tolkien lived in England witch unlike ever other country didnt have any mythology. So he made it up himself, trading his ideas with C.S Lewis. Who might I add had very strong woman in his book too.
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 11-20-2010, 02:59 AM

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Oh wow... you guys really know nothing about anything out side your little bible bubble huh? Tolkien lived in England witch unlike ever other country didnt have any mythology. So he made it up himself, trading his ideas with C.S Lewis. Who might I add had very strong woman in his book too.
Read the second post in this thread.

What does the Bible say about wizardry and divination?


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 11-20-2010, 03:48 AM

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Oh wow... you guys really know nothing about anything out side your little bible bubble huh? Tolkien lived in England witch unlike ever other country didnt have any mythology. So he made it up himself, trading his ideas with C.S Lewis. Who might I add had very strong woman in his book too.

The lack of pagan mythology may very well be one of the reasons why God selected Great Britain as His Chosen Nation for centuries before His Favor was turned to the United States of America. First England and later the United States swept the globe as the most powerful nations on earth, establishing English (and later American) in all corners of the globe as either a primary or secondary language. In choosing English/American in which to combine His two Testaments in the form of the King James Bible of 1611, God chose the only language which the world would know.

In 1922, the British Empire was the largest empire the world had ever seen, holding sway over a quarter of the world's population and spreading the Gospel to pagan ragheads, dotheads, negroes and pickininnies on every continent. Careful study of Scripture reveals that the rise of the British Empire was part of God's Plan.

Romans 13:2-3
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


However, over the remainder of the 20th century, God removed His Favor from Britain and ordained America as His Chosen Nation, as evidenced by the decolonisation of the British Empire as the USA grew in stature. While America was adding "One Nation Under God" to our Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" to our currency, Britain was turning the Suez Canal over to the Godless Egyptians.

Why would God remove His favor from Britain - the nation which saw His Word consolidated into His Perfect Bible (KJV 1611)?

The Lord of the Rings trilogy was written between 1937 and 1949 - the exact period during which the British Empire began declining and during which God turned His favor to America, which He had been nurturing since our Evangelical Founders established what was to become His Chosen Nation.

If, as you say, J.R. Token wrote his satanic novels to create a pagan mythology for what was once God's Chosen Nation, then this one wicked little man can be held responsible for causing Britain to turn its back on God and to drift into the dustbin of history as America rose to take our place as God's Country.

God has established precedent in the KJV1611 for what befalls nations which turn their backs on Him.

Deuteronomy 29:25-26
Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:
For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them:

II Chronicles 7:19-20
But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

Ezekiel 20:8
But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.

If J.R. Token had not written his wicked tales of sorcery and depredation, the sun would continue to never set on the British Empire. But because the people of England turned their backs on God and turned to a new mythology, God turned His Back on England.

This lesson is not lost on those of us who currently reside in America. Fortunately, the Indians are the only ones here who believe in mythology, and it was not until our predecessors wiped out those nature-worshipping occultists that America was ready to take on the mantle of God's Chosen Nation, but that is another post...


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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 11-20-2010, 03:57 AM

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What does the Bible say about wizardry and divination?
I did read it thank you very much. And I Don't remember him saying anything about fake magic, if I'm remembering right. and if you ARE fundamentals then you should be ok with it because the Bible never EVER said anything about writing made up stories to entertain people. And If god dose know everything then he would have seen this coming and he would have put something in the bible about it.
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Default Re: Lord of the Rings... ok? - 11-20-2010, 04:04 AM

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The lack of pagan mythology may very well be one of the reasons why God selected Great Britain as His Chosen Nation for centuries before His Favor was turned to the United States of America. First England and later the United States swept the globe as the most powerful nations on earth, establishing English (and later American) in all corners of the globe as either a primary or secondary language. In choosing English/American in which to combine His two Testaments in the form of the King James Bible of 1611, God chose the only language which the world would know.

In 1922, the British Empire was the largest empire the world had ever seen, holding sway over a quarter of the world's population and spreading the Gospel to pagan ragheads, dotheads, negroes and pickininnies on every continent. Careful study of Scripture reveals that the rise of the British Empire was part of God's Plan.

Romans 13:2-3
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


However, over the remainder of the 20th century, God removed His favor from Britain and ordained America as His Chosen Nation, as evidenced by the decolonisation of the British Empire as the USA grew in stature. While America was adding "One Nation Under God" to our Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" to our currency, Britain was turning the Suez Canal over to the Godless Egyptians.

Why would God remove His favor from Britain - the nation which saw His Word consolidated into His Perfect Bible (KJV 1611)?

The Lord of the Rings trilogy was written between 1937 and 1949 - the exact period during which the British Empire began declining and during which God turned His favor to America, which He had been nurturing since our Evangelical Founders established what was to become His Chosen Nation.

If, as you say, J.R. Token wrote his satanic novels to create a pagan mythology for what was once God's Chosen Nation, then this one wicked little man can be held responsible for causing Britain to turn its back on God and to drift into the dustbin of history as America rose to take our place as God's Country.

God has established precedent in the KJV1611 for what befalls nations which turn their backs on Him.

Deuteronomy 29:25-26
Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:
For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them:

II Chronicles 7:19-20
But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

Ezekiel 20:8
But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.

If J.R. Token had not written his wicked tales of sorcery and depredation, the sun would continue to never set on the British Empire. But because the people of England turned their backs on God and turned to a new mythology, God turned His back on England.

This lesson is not lost on those of us who currently reside in America. Fortunately, the Indians are the only ones here who believe in mythology, and it was not until our predecessors wiped out those nature-worshipping occultists that America was ready to take on the mantle of God's Chosen Nation, but that is another post...

lol wow did you just make that up? Because I didn't see that any where else on this tread. they didn't turn there backs on god and TOLKIEN (please make sure to spell is name right. Its not that hard you can just google it) didn't turn is back on him aether. He just thought it was odd so he just made it up, not follow it. And if your train of thought is right, then is god turning his back on us now? Since we are no longer the powerhouse of the world any more, China and India are. So dose that mean his new favorite is China and India?
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lol wow did you just make that up? Because I didn't see that any where else on this tread. they didn't turn there backs on god and TOLKIEN (please make sure to spell is name right. Its not that hard you can just google it) didn't turn is back on him aether. He just thought it was odd so he just made it up, not follow it. And if your train of thought is right, then is god turning his back on us now? Since we are no longer the powerhouse of the world any more, China and India are. So dose that mean his new favorite is China and India?
Friend, the U.S. has a larger GDP than China and India combined. We are number one by far!


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