[Diesel Stanford]

Why should God let non-Europeans, non-Americans, non-white South Africans, non-Aussies and non-Kiwis into heaven?

I even wonder how they got so brown. Do they <<<ewww, gross!>>>?


"Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee" Deuteronomy 23:12-13

[upchucker67]

Servants are needed in Heaven, so I imagine some are permitted through the back gate discreetly out of view from the normal queue.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Diesel Stanford

Why should God let non-Europeans, non-Americans, non-white South Africans, non-Aussies and non-Kiwis into heaven?

1. That poop-related insinuation of yours was plain gross. I understand that's what on your mind, but some of us read these forums after eating, so please spare us.

2. So in your perverted view, non-white South Africans don't belong in heaven but Kenyans, Ethiopians, and citizens of whatever other countries are in Africa do? That's not even racist - that's just plain weird.

3. Open the Bible and read Galatians 3:28-29. Also, ponder upon Acts 8:26-40. And remember that the only requirement to be admitted to Heaven is spelled out in John 3:16-18.

Now, while it is true that non-white people have a higher probability of belonging to false religions and therefore hellbound, please try to remember Matthew 7:3. While it is true that most brown people will be roasting in Hell, there also will be plenty of white people - quite possibly including yourself. I doubt Satan will provide you segregated accommodations.

[upchucker67]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

1. That poop-related insinuation of yours was plain gross.

Thank you for removing it. Seeing it made me wince. Nonetheless, I pressed forward with my polite, concise scenario to Mr. Stanford. I agree, less said about poop, the better.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by phucker67

Servants are needed in Heaven, so I imagine some are permitted through the back gate discreetly out of view from the normal queue.

This is a good illustration of the importance of reading the Holy Bible - to avoid making up stuff because it sounds good to your personal racist perspective. The True Christian™ is not of this world (John 17:16), so the moral fashions that come and go in time among the Spiritually Walking Dead hold no interest for us. Instead, we are citizens of Heaven (Philippians 3:20-21), and walk in the righteousness of the LORD (Romans 8:4-6). The color of a man's skin is of no concern to us, dear. Even the lesser races glorify the LORD, which is, after all, the only thing we care about.

While you will find no Bible verses pertaining to house or yard staff in Heaven, no talk of who will be the servants to whom, in your studies you will learn there will be no more tears in Heaven, no more pain, and no more sorrow (Revelation 21:4). Why, this is how we know we will not feel sadness upon the knowledge that our loved ones who reject Christ will be burning in the Lake of Fire, writhing in unspeakable pain for all eternity (Revelation 20:10)!

We even know specifics, such as the fact that there is no sea (Revelation 21:1), it is 1500 square miles (Revelation 21:16), and filled with the brilliance of costly stones and crystal clear jasper (Revelation 21:11). Heaven has exactly twelve gates (Revelation 21:12) and twelve foundations (Revelation 21:14). The paradise of the Garden of Eden is restored, the river of the water of life flows freely and the tree of life is available once again, yielding fruit monthly with leaves that "heal the nations" (Revelation 22:1-2). There will be no need for dieting, as we will not require food (Romans 14:17). This will no doubt settle the uncomfortable question about toilets in Heaven and who would work the sewage system - no food means no sewage. And with no work to be done because we will be praising Jesus for every minute into eternity, it hardly makes sense to imagine the nightmare scenario of governing a listless unnecessary servant staff for all that time.

[upchucker67]

Well in that case, maybe I'm subtlety the greatest here, by proxy of my determined honorary Negro status, and thus, I will serving the rest of you good folk, thereby assuring my place in Heaven by default?

Matthew 23:11

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.


Matthew 20:26


But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

[upchucker67]

^

I'm being facetious, of course, I don't mean to get "uppity." (Please, don't infract me! ) I know the road to Heaven is narrow, no good work on my offer can really suffice.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.




Side note: I've been really getting into Matthew lately.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by phucker67

Well in that case, maybe I'm subtlety the greatest here, by proxy of my determined honorary Negro status, and thus, I will serving the rest of you good folk, thereby assuring my place in Heaven by default?

Matthew 23:11

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Matthew 20:26

But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

Have you been drinking, sweetie?

Our Department of Faith has not resolved yet whether you have a chance of Salvation at all, so please keep your megalomania at bay.

However: it is good that you are finally beginning to read the Word of God. This is great news and I do encourage you to do it more often. Pearls of Biblical wisdom are way more precious than whatever your brain can come up with.

The next step is to start reading it in context. In Matthew 23, I would like to call your attention to the following verses:

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

So, those who love Christ are all equals.

Now, let's have a look at Matthew 20:

Matthew 20:25-27
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Take note of the tense used. Jesus is not saying this is what will happen sometime in the future (whether in this world or in the next). He is ordering His disciples (that is us True Christians™) to practice humility by serving each other (emphasis on "each other," that means no mingling with the unsaved). Just like Jesus led by example by washing the feet of his disciples (I do hope they pre-washed them first!), we True Christians™ happily serve each other, and let me tell you, that we find much pleasure in this endeavor.

[James Hutchins]

Everyone is a servant of God. We are all beneath Him and only by His Glorious Grace are we tolerated. Some more than others.
All of Gods creatures have a pecking order. God-Pastor Ezekiel-DJT- LBC True Christians™-... you get the idea. I am sure a nigra is on that list but honestly, who has the time to check.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Have you been drinking, sweetie?

Perhaps he's suffered a trauma to the head in an accident, Sister Bas. The only other person I've ever known to hijack every single topic of conversation to talk about himself suffered a trauma to the head in an accident.

[upchucker67]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Perhaps he's suffered a trauma to the head in an accident, Sister Bas. The only other person I've ever known to hijack every single topic of conversation to talk about himself suffered a trauma to the head in an accident.

You know, I did in fact have a head injury, though it was five years back. It was midnight and I slipped to the kitchen, trying not to wake the missus, and I went to the pantry to open a bag of marshmallows to snack on. I tugged and tugged, but the gosh darned bag wouldn't rip. Finally I did get it, and it startled me so much I fell backward and hit my head on the tile. I laid there knocked out cold, marshmallows scattered all around me. It was lesson to next time, crack the fridge ajar to have a bit of light.

[Isabella White]

Originally Posted by phucker67

You know, I did in fact have a head injury, though it was five years back. It was midnight and I slipped to the kitchen, trying not to wake the missus, and I went to the pantry to open a bag of marshmallows to snack on. I tugged and tugged, but the gosh darned bag wouldn't rip. Finally I did get it, and it startled me so much I fell backward and hit my head on the tile. I laid there knocked out cold, marshmallows scattered all around me. It was lesson to next time, crack the fridge ajar to have a bit of light.

Oh, you poor darling, Mr. Huckster! And I suppose that you suffered an additional concussion when the marshmallows hit you?

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Perhaps he's suffered a trauma to the head in an accident, Sister Bas. The only other person I've ever known to hijack every single topic of conversation to talk about himself suffered a trauma to the head in an accident.

I couldn't agree more, Sister, as the poor thing just cannot stop talking about itself.

Originally Posted by phucker67

(self pity party)

Sister Mary, do you think I should spare some time to pray for this poor soul? I would have to divert time from caring for my Capsicum plants, and I cannot decide whether it would be worth it.

[upchucker67]

We'll, this doesn't help me in presenting a respectable image. Perhaps the discussion frequently directed on the topic of me could be from this interesting, yet disappointing development when I came here as a huckster of economics only to become some blubbery fish thing. In some sense of irony, at least it's deflected the racist insinuations of the OP, though I didn't mean to imply any racism by the suggestion of black servants in Heaven, only in mind, it would contribute to the atmosphere of paradise allowing black souls living an eternity doing what they do best. I will point out, I responded politely to the OP's initial inquiry, though it was noted my suggestion had no Biblical merit - point taken. I sought to correct this. I'm happy to return to the discussion to one of fellowship and learning, and not on myself, thank you. -Pill.

[handmaiden]

This may not be an original insight. Coming from my timid little mind it is sure to have been gleaned from some other source when I was only half-listening (one of my worst faults) to something a learned Man of God said.

Jesus promises to wash our sins as white as snow by applying the miracle stain removing power of His Blood.


Isaiah 1: 18

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet , they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.


Reading those beautiful words, I am always struck again at the wonder of how something red like blood can make some other red thing to become white. Surely our God is a mighty God!


The other thought that popped into my mind is that perhaps Jesus' Blood can make negro people white. . . or maybe at least whitish?


The verse talks about sins becoming like wool, and black people already have wooly hair, so perhaps this is how "The Color Line", (to borrow a phrase from Frederick Douglass, whom-- according to President Trump-- has "done an amazing job that is being recognized more and more") will be dealt with in Heaven.


It may seem like quite the challenge to turn black people white, but the Bible does address this issue.


Jeremiah 13:23

Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.


This verse tells us at least two things. One, that Negros--or Ethiopians, as they were known during Bible times-- have been deeply distressed about their dark skins for centuries. Two, we are told that a soul transformed by The Lord can do an abrupt change.


On earth that change is manifested in one's behavior--going from doing evil deeds to doing good ones in Christ's Name. The idea of God being able to change an Ethiopian's skin when the time comes to enter Heaven seems like such a trifling act for a Mighty King Who has stopped the sun in the sky.


(Who knows, stopping the sun in the sky may be the means to toning down an Ethiopian's skin tone?)


Anyway, those are my ideas on the subject of whether negroes go to heaven. Except that they really aren't my ideas. The words come from The Holy Bible, and the understanding comes from The Holy Spirit straight to the man who follows Christ with devotion and seeks to learn.


I'm just so grateful the The Lord allowed the wisdom to trickle down to me.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

That is certainly a very - er - original thought, Sister Handmaiden.

Originally Posted by handmaiden

Reading those beautiful words, I am always struck again at the wonder of how something red like blood can make some other red thing to become white. Surely our God is a mighty God!

The other thought that popped into my mind is that perhaps Jesus' Blood can make negro people white. . . or maybe at least whitish?

I may be over-thinking (or more likely under-thinking) this, but surely if RED blood can turn RED items white, then if you wanted to turn something BLACK into white, you would need BLACK blood?

[James Hutchins]

You women folk, always trying to remove stains when the right thing to do is toss the damaged goods into a fire. I know you have been taught to be Thrifty Christians™ and I commend you for it.
Everyone knows, Heaven is not unlimited where as Hell has no bounds. If a nigra were allowed into Heaven, a decent White person would not. It would be wrong for God to deny a White person simply because of the purity of their skin.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey

That is certainly a very - er - original thought, Sister Handmaiden.
I may be over-thinking (or more likely under-thinking) this, but surely if RED blood can turn RED items white, then if you wanted to turn something BLACK into white, you would need BLACK blood?

Shhh! Sister Joanna, Trevor might hear you. He already thinks that Jesus is black.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

Shhh! Sister Joanna, Trevor might hear you. He already thinks that Jesus is black.

Oh dear! Because if he were right about that - to which I can only say - then he would think that Jesus's (imaginary) black blood could turn him (i.e.Trevor) white, in which case Trevor would be white. But Jesus would be black. Can you imagine the cognitive dissonance that would ensue?


Brother James is, of course, correct. I apologize for wasting his valuable time.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey

Brother James is, of course, correct. I apologize for wasting his valuable time.

There is no need to apologize. I have walked past a kitchen and hear the cackling. I cannot imagine women only talk about recipes or cleaning. They often gossip about things they cannot fathom. Perfectly natural.


I'll leave you with this thought. Imagine you are blessed to have God kill you before you are all wrinkled, flabby and bat-winged. Firm, smooth and pearl like skin gliding along the sidewalk in Heaven, shoe shopping with an Jesus Express White Platinum© card. Covered modestly in a sheer pink dress swaying in the cool breeze that just peaks the senses. Could you really picture some grubby nigra covered with fools gold chains and playing gangster music on his boom box and the basketball spitting watermelon seeds on the street?