[BrotherLarry]

Not sure why my pastor won’t support me about this but I know my Landover family will.

I questioned why prime parking space near the door at church is reserved for crips (disabled, not the gang). Seems to be a way the church could give a perk to generous tithers.

I don’t think I wanna go to anymore board meetings. Instead of hearing me out they kept spouting things about ADA and caring about the less fortunate. Poor crips aren’t going to pay for anything.

They absolutely did not want to hear about illness being a result of sin and implied that my prayer life must be lacking or Jesus would have given me a more caring attitude. I hate to go church hunting again but if I am not welcome to share Godly opinions why should I give them $5500 per month? I covet your prayers as I seek God’s Face on this.

[MitzaLizalor]

What on earth sort of church are you attending? Have they even read Deuteronomy 23?

For Christians, the new priesthood, limitations are more restrictive – not less. Should a trollop with 4 husbands and sex idols be included? No! Just read Leviticus 21 and ask them where God rescinded His requirement, especially regarding the vail.

Sure, it no longer exists, but the requirement for blood is still in force; that's why we claim the Blood of Christ. Similarly, deformed persons are unacceptable and just as in Christ we satisfy God's requirement for blood so in Him are all deformities made sound.

[Dennis Lukes]

On my knees for you, Brother Larry . Your post had me so startled I spit out my morning coffee, and the maid tripped over it and broke her kneecap. Now I have to put in a call to ICE and that's always such a hassle. I don't blame you of course, it's that wicked false "church" that has ensnared you in its heretical grip.

At the next board meeting, here's what you need to do. Park your car in the special reserved parking spot for cripples and retards. That's where Jesus would've parked His Ford Mustang. Read Leviticus 21:18-21 to your fellow board members, as Sister Mitza pointed out, and ask them what they think of it. If they refuse to accept it, point out James 2:10 and Matthew 5:17-20. Ask them how much of the Bible is God's perfect word and how much is just irrelevant garbage they can ignore. At this point, your voice should be as loud as possible. Kick over your chair or even upturn the table like Jesus (Matthew 21:12). Storm out. Find a new church that actually believes in the Bible.

I wish you Godspeed.

[Isabella White]

Oh, my goodness gracious, dear Great-Grandbaby Brother Larry! What on Earth is your pastor doing here? You are entirely right to insist that he give up those parking spaces for the benefit of the good people who are so faithful in their worship and financial generosity.

As for reserving those parking spots for the disabled, well, surely there is no need for this. Those people could have had a friend drop them off at the door instead. Actually, I’m surprised that your pastor even allows them inside the church. One wonders if he is being influenced by those “relaxed” attitudes that have swamped so many of the churches in Godly . Has he never even opened the pages of the to read of the Holy instruction of Almighty in such matters?

Leviticus 21: 16-23 --
16 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the Lord do sanctify them.

I think that this shows, very clearly, that those parking spots must be made available for good persons, such as yourself, as there is no way that those infesting, disabled people should be allowed to infect the church premises. Please do keep us informed as to your progress in this matter, Dear.

A blessed day to you, darling Larry,
Lovingly, Granny Isabella

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Isabella White

As for reserving those parking spots for the disabled, well, surely there is no need for this.

Correct. The ADA requires every public parking lot in America to have AT LEAST 1 spot specially reserved for cripples. The minimum number increases for larger lots. Think of all the wasted spaces that no cripples even use! There are no wheelchair jockeys in my town, so the cripple spot at the post office has NEVER been used! And aside from these, there must be a significant percentage of spots that are only very rarely used by the crooked bastards. I'm sure that over half of the reserved spots in the US could be eliminated without the handicripples even noticing!


Ordinary citizens need to stand up and fight back, which are two things the cripples can never do. Park in their special spots and then throw away any tickets you get. Write to your legislators about repealing the Americans with Disabilities Act. We as a society have already decided we won't be kept out of their bathroom stalls, but we havent crossed that bridge into the parking lot. I pulled out the handicap sign and sandblasted that obnoxious wheelchair logo off the pavement when I purchased my motel decades ago, and I have never faced any consequences.

[BibleReader2231]

It’s no question that those who are unable to comprehend or read The Bible are doomed to hell. If they can’t understand what God wants them to do, the chances of them being eternally doomed increases exponentially. Those special parking spots should be for the enthusiastically religious. I would do the math as to why crippled people are screwed but feel it’s unnecessary due to how obvious it is. Also, my female brain is not smart enough in comparison to the brilliant minds like Brother Larry .

[MitzaLizalor]

It's not necessary to "think" about things God has explained. If extra information was relevant He would have included it in what's been recorded already.

For example a heathen may have opinions concerning disabled people that disagrees with what God has stated to be the case, may even wish God had said something different. But He didn't. One thing we do know however is that although God can heal any disability, an afflicted individual may choose to stay afflicted.

John 5:5-6 A certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?

In that case a desire for healing was expressed.

In this thread it almost seems as though "the pastor" is making up his own stuff to satisfy his own thought processes about what God should do. If it were possible to do that, why would we need The Bible at all? The whole point of the Gospel is that we couldn't work this out for ourselves under any circumstances.

Obviously at any time God could provide an additional revelation (as He did for Paul or John to name but two) but the key word is additional. Throughout history God has always been consistent. The equivalent example would be me turning up one day explaining that I am a horse and that when I did this . . .

. . . I was waving my hooves around and so on. That would be Monday. Then on Thursday you have to change your universe because really I was a hydrangea all the time. "What! You thought I was a horse? Whatever gave you that idea?" God is not like that. If he can change His nature, how are we supposed to know what He'd be like tomorrow? God is Jesus and fortunately He does not change.

Hebrews 13:8-9a Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

When I hear about people who think they know better than God or who offer strange re-definitions of words which God "really meant" when He said something else that they happen to disagree with, I'm puzzled. OK, they disagree with God.

Why not just say God was wrong? Why pretend to follow Him when they reject His teaching? Why not tell the truth?

[James Hutchins]

Retards, cripples and deformed people should never have special privileges. That was never Gods intention.

To see a legless man, drag himself across a parking lot oin a 100 degree day with grocery's on a skate board using bricks in his hands is a testament to Gods Impeccable Glory.
If the man were a good man, repentant and humble before Him, God could of cured him, given him new legs. The power of Prayer.

Yet these ungrateful creatures want special accommodations. When sitting in traffic and I get thirsty, does some one come running to my car and give me a cool beverage? No, I have to get it out of the cooler, all on my own. That is called being self sufficient and not looking to God to take care of my every little need.

These defective people should feel honored that God was willing to take time out of His busy schedule to custom craft a defect, just for them. They should thank God for the gift He bestowed on them.

I say they should be in a circle of peers that can stare and comment at the wonder of their Gotten Glory™. Let them prove to God that they alone, can make the struggle to God's House, no matter the temperature, driving rains and feet of snow.


Do they think it was a picnic for Jesus to be nailed to a cross? You do not hear Him complaining.

[Isabella White]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Retards, cripples and deformed people should never have special privileges. That was never Gods intention.

To see a legless man, drag himself across a parking lot on a 100 degree day with grocery's on a skate board using bricks in his hands is a testament to Gods Impeccable Glory.
If the man were a good man, repentant and humble before Him, God could of cured him, given him new legs. The power of Prayer.

These defective people should feel honored that God was willing to take time out of His busy schedule to custom craft a defect, just for them. They should thank God for the gift He bestowed on them.

Oh, dear Brother Hutchins, I do thank you for saying this so eloquently. If I might add, I think part of the reason for these retards and cripples being the way they are is that they are so self-centered and they've forgotten to give thanks to for all that they have.

Psalm 69:30 " I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving."

And by refusing to acknowledge the Almighty, they have brought upon themselves the wrath of .

Ruth 2:12 "The Lord repay you for what you have done”.

And instead of that legless man whining and asking for a free meal ticket, or a free parking spot, he should be thanking for his skateboard! Why, the ingratitude of some people simply astounds me.

Philippians 4:12, 13:
12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

A blessed day to you, Dear,
Sincerely, Isabella W.

[AntiCopulationAktion]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

If the man were a good man, repentant and humble before Him, God could of cured him, given him new legs. The power of Prayer.

Yet these ungrateful creatures want special accommodations. When sitting in traffic and I get thirsty, does some one come running to my car and give me a cool beverage? No, I have to get it out of the cooler, all on my own. That is called being self sufficient and not looking to God to take care of my every little need.

Are defects really god's will? If they are, are they truly meant to be a punishment for sin? What about babies who are born with defects or men and women who lost limbs before it was possible to ever repair or replace them? What about war veterans who lost limbs fighting bravely for their countries, but still could not afford or were not given new limbs. For most disable people nowadays as well, it is just within their price range to afford something like a wheelchair rather than an expensive prosthetic limb.
About self-sufficiency, this may blow your mind but it's much more difficult for disabled people to be self sufficient in the same capacity that you or I are.

[Isabella White]

Originally Posted by AntiCopulationAktion

Are defects really god's will? If they are, are they truly meant to be a punishment for sin? What about babies who are born with defects or men and women who lost limbs before it was possible to ever repair or replace them? What about war veterans who lost limbs fighting bravely for their countries, but still could not afford or were not given new limbs. For most disable people nowadays as well, it is just within their price range to afford something like a wheelchair rather than an expensive prosthetic limb.
About self-sufficiency, this may blow your mind but it's much more difficult for disabled people to be self sufficient in the same capacity that you or I are.

Good day to you, Miss Aktion, and to you I extend a warm It appears that this is your first posting here on . As is customary with all of our newcomers, I wonder if I might ask you to make your way over to our Introduction Forum, where you can post an introductory message. The link to that page is here:

https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=16

Kindly note our friendly request at the top of the page, which is:

The introduction forum Attention Unsaved Trash: This the ONLY subforum you can start threads in. Here is where you introduce yourself. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

We look forward to getting to know you.

Sincerely, Isabella W.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by BrotherLarry

Not sure why my pastor won’t support me about this but I know my Landover family will.

I'm not sure if the answer will be the one you want. (That's rather like prayers, isn't it?)

They absolutely did not want to hear about illness being a result of sin

And nor should they. Christ says this is not so.

and implied that my prayer life must be lacking or Jesus would have given me a more caring attitude.

This is not so either. What God gives us is understanding and acceptance.

John 9
1. And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

God makes gimps revolting and repulsive on purpose - He shows you what he can do. It is rather like the warnings on cigarette packs combined with an advert for the manufacturer.

Your disgust is an entirely Christian reaction: God has succeeded in his mission in your case.

There are two options, as I see it:
1. Continue as you are but inform the gimps of the true reason - I should imagine that most will feel grateful that they are part of His Plan.
2. Matthew 17:20 Do a miracle and cure one or two of them.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by AntiCopulationAktion

Are defects really god's will? If they are, are they truly meant to be a punishment for sin? What about babies who are born with defects or men and women who lost limbs before it was possible to ever repair or replace them? What about war veterans who lost limbs fighting bravely for their countries, but still could not afford or were not given new limbs. For most disable people nowadays as well, it is just within their price range to afford something like a wheelchair rather than an expensive prosthetic limb.
About self-sufficiency, this may blow your mind but it's much more difficult for disabled people to be self sufficient in the same capacity that you or I are.

What you are presenting does not align with Biblical teaching. The example I gave is very similar to what you're describing and although God does not tell us the man's age or what the infirmity was, we do know this:

John 5:5 A certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.

Jesus asked him if he wanted to be healed. In this case, yes, the incomplete man wanted to be made whole. There was no soliloquy about self-sufficiency being less accessible or the high price of prosthetic limbs. He accepted what Jesus said and proceeded on that basis.

John 5:8-9b Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked.

Christians trust Jesus too. He knows all about the universe, the stars and planets in the sky, the sun and moon. He knows because He made them. He made the world and everything in it, the trees and flowers, the animals, the fungus, the air we breathe, the hair on our heads, each and every toenail; Jesus knows all about us and knows how sin has ruined what He created. It follows that He knows how to fix things but we do need to accept His authority and acknowledge that He does know how to fix things and that we need fixing.

Psalm 103:2-4 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies.

There are people who think they know better than God. They look for alternatives to what He intended and make up their own rules. Even when He acts they invent ways to confront His lovingkindness, pathetic admittedly, but they try anyway.

John 5:9c-11 And on the same day was the sabbath. The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed and walk.

If you would like to read the rest of that account, click on the header for any text. The Bible is explicit however that any disabled person, whether from birth or from injury or from demonic possession, will be healed if

1. They want to be healed
2. They trust Jesus Christ

It's a guaranteed 100% success rate, but so many choose to reject healing just as they reject Salvation. When through betrayal, torture, a show trial, death and entombment Christ suffered so much to set us free it's always confronting to see His tender mercies rejected. Perhaps you could address these points in your introduction?

[Prayer Warrior]

We need to replace disabled parking with wealthy parking already

[Emily Brent]

I misplaced my spectacles again and misread this thread title as Disabled People In Me and you had me very worried. That's not to say I'm disabled in sight, yet I am hard of seeing, not quite the same thing.

[Isabella White]

Originally Posted by Emily Brent

I misplaced my spectacles again and misread this thread title as Disabled People In Me and you had me very worried. That's not to say I'm disabled in sight, yet I am hard of seeing, not quite the same thing.

Dear Miss Brent: Might I kindly suggest the use of eyeglass chains for your spectacles? With this handy convenience, your glasses will rarely be misplaced again. Having your spectacles available for use at all times, this will reduce, very greatly, your risk of (accidentally) reaching for another nip of cooking sherry.

Sincerely, Isabella W.

[Emily Brent]

That is a stylish suggestion, thank you Sisyer Isolbella

[JakubDovac]

What would you do to a Nationalist with only one arm? I'd rather be around with such a person than a Demoncrat with two arms. So this title is misleading. LOL, I'm fine with rich people as long as they are conservatives. Rich Libtards like Robert DeNiro are godless reprobates.
And I'm 100 %ly healthy. But a little reminder to those who are not...


Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord James 5:14


Can't be any simpler... except with the Catholics who interpret it their way. No wonder why they also introduced an effeminate hippie Jesus with long hair.

[Diesel Stanford]

Originally Posted by JakubDovac

What would you do to a Nationalist with only one arm? I'd rather be around with such a person than a Demoncrat with two arms. So this title is misleading. LOL, I'm fine with rich people as long as they are conservatives. Rich Libtards like Robert DeNiro are godless reprobates.
And I'm 100 %ly healthy. But a little reminder to those who are not...


Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord James 5:14


Can't be any simpler... except with the Catholics who interpret it their way. No wonder why they also introduced an effeminate hippie Jesus with long hair.

And here's Jakub again with his funny logic... you believe you could work for your salvation. The truth is God give salvation by grace only in this dispensation (you quoted James which was adressed to the twelve tribes)... the reality however also is that salvation and healing/deliverance cannot be separated. True Christians don't have demons or something like that.


All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6


If you are born again, you can't struggle with sickness or trust in your works. You are a child of God, bought with a price... except that YOU are not since you are a child of the devil.


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:8-9

[MitzaLizalor]

By subdividing your comments it will be easier to address four specific aspects of your reply.

—• The truth is God give salvation by grace only in this dispensation
—• (you quoted James which was adressed to the twelve tribes)
—• the reality however also is that salvation and healing/deliverance cannot be separated.
—• True Christians don't have demons or something like that.

Salvation is by grace only at any time. Later on you refer to Isaiah 53, a wonderful passage of course but one which does not stand alone. Earlier the prophet made the following comparison:

Isaiah 26:17-18 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD. We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

That's part of Isaiah's poetic encomium, celebrating God in the world, attributed to a future time. Nothing can be achieved by our own efforts at any time, only by His grace. And no, I don't mean the Duke of Edinburgh. Left to ourselves we'd deserve no more than to drop dead on the spot but that is not how Isaiah unfolds:

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

We know now, from the historical record of The New Testament, what this passage refers to. Only by grace should dead bodies rise and at the supreme moment of history many cadavers did just that so immense was the Grace working through Love for Redemption. They walked to declare Salvation for those who'll love Him back but, quite rightly, everyone else will fry.

—• The truth is God give salvation by grace only in this dispensation
—• (you quoted James which was adressed to the twelve tribes)
—• the reality however also is that salvation and healing/deliverance cannot be separated.
—• True Christians don't have demons or something like that.

Are you suggesting the meaning of a passage is restricted to the group being addressed at the time? Clearly in some cases there's a limited application for example when Peter addressed the problem of Ananias and Sapphira no incantation to murder everyone in the world was called for. Or even to murder the immediate congregation. His words had a limited application which you'll find in Acts 5. Peter offers a further example of Scripture's broad application:

I Peter 1:1-3 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Salvation is equally available to all, not more so to the twelve tribes but less so to everyone else. Not everyone will accept it but in accordance with God's plan the Gospel is presented universally for a response to be made. He knows what that response will be and why rejection of His Perfect Love is the majority response but makes the offer anyway.

Revelation 7:9-10 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

You'd quoted from John's epistles and there is the evidence he recorded from future history vouchsafed to him by God so that we would know.

—• The truth is God give salvation by grace only in this dispensation
—• (you quoted James which was adressed to the twelve tribes)
—• the reality however also is that salvation and healing/deliverance cannot be separated.
—• True Christians don't have demons or something like that.

Sticking with John we see that Christians do not sin. Having acknowledged sin to utterly possess us, making us so revolting to God that even though He loves us He will torture us forever if we fail to reciprocate (which He assures us is impossible) unless He murders His son, the portal was opened for Redemption.

I John 3:8-10c He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God

Would it then follow that Christians do not become diseased in the first place? This is something John refers to in another epistle and if sin is the cause of ill health then sinless individuals (Christians) would never become ill.

III John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

There are people who claim to be Christians but who seem to make up stuff they either like the sound of or which does not contradict "science" as they see it. That would rule out virtually everything in The Bible which brings us to your final point.

—• The truth is God give salvation by grace only in this dispensation
—• (you quoted James which was adressed to the twelve tribes)
—• the reality however also is that salvation and healing/deliverance cannot be separated.
—• True Christians don't have demons or something like that.

There are even people claiming themselves to have been delivered from the clutches of sin who consider others (whom they regard as Christians) to be demon possessed. Is this possible? Would there be a qualitative difference between someone possessed by Beelzebub grunting during hymns and someone with nits?

I John 3:21-22; 24b-4:3 If our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight … And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Plainly John expects Christians to encounter spirits. In what capacity is not made clear, whether through words uttered by demoniacs whom I'd have thought unlikely to be mistaken for Christians or by some other means. If you're interested who's worse for Christians to be possessed by, Beelzebub or The Antichrist, you'd need to ask the Pastors; outside of Romish catholicism or the various orthodox and oriental heresies such possession states including trances brought on by new-age meditation would not be taken to indicate holiness. I hope this is helpful.

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