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Question Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 12:04 AM

Hello again, Christians. I have another question, if you might indulge me.

I see that you all believe that following the KJV 1611 version of the Bible is the ONLY path to salvation and Heaven. This leads me to wonder if everybody who died prior to 1611 was damned to eternal suffering.

If so, it surely makes me feel sorry for the poor saps who died in 1610!

Or, instead, did your God have sort of a "close enough" policy before then? As in, whatever religious group was closest to what the KJV 1611 would be at the time managed to get saved.

Many thanks for answering my many questions.

Blessed be, my KJV following friends

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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 12:16 AM

From what I understand, the KJV came about because other Bible versions had become corrupted over the years. Satanic influence had caused them to slowly deviate from the Word that God originally dictated. This in turn was leading more and more people to Hell.

As long as they followed exactly the principles that were later laid out in the KJV, there's no reason why any True Christians should have gone to Hell. The problem was that people had no way of knowing if they were True Christians. Some got lucky; some didn't. That's the way the wafer crumbles.

Fewer people had heard of Jesus at the time than have today — but more of those were likely to accept Him, since atheism hadn't become a fad yet. Factor in the Bible issue and it's probably true that the average person today has a better chance of being Saved than one who died before 1611. Glory! But that doesn't mean that all of them were damned. Just the vast overwhelming majority... and so it remains.


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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 12:59 AM

Well I'm sure the first apostles got in, then it would have increased a bit while they were spreading the news. Dropped off almost completely once the Roman Pagans got their nails dug into it, and then steadily rose after 1611, until around 1970 when the bastardized versions started showing up wholesale and everyone started believing whatever they wanted to.

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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 02:17 AM

The Bible notes the 2 thieves crucified with Jesus made it to heaven.



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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 02:38 AM

Hello Kassandra,

By asking these many question. Are you looking to be saved?
Are you willing to turn from believing in elves and hobbits to your One True Creator?

If you are - saved -, you might want to switch to a name that carries less promiscuous connotations.

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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 03:33 AM

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Hello Kassandra,

By asking these many question. Are you looking to be saved?
Are you willing to turn from believing in elves and hobbits to your One True Creator?

If you are - saved -, you might want to switch to a name that carries less promiscuous connotations.

Blessed be, my polytheist and pagan internet fellow!
What's this? A Christian using an Authentic Wiccan (notice the lack of a trademark) phrase like "blessed be"? Keep talking like that friend, and pretty soon you'll be getting the invites to Freehold to join in their Fall "festivities".

I am just curious about your religion and your God and am interested in learning more. This in no way means I desire to be Saved©.Now, what I don't understand is why your God decided to make the edits in 1611. Were the earlier versions alright until then? Is that when the Satanic influence in them appeared?

Blessed be, my curiously Wiccan-sounding friend in Christ

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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 03:36 AM

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Blessed be, my polytheist and pagan internet fellow!
If you'd like to commune with the devil, take it elsewhere.


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 03:40 AM

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The Bible notes the 2 thieves crucified with Jesus made it to heaven.

Indeed, and let us not forget that the patriarch Abraham also made it up to Heaven. In the book of Luke, Jesus relates how there was a beggar named Lazarus and an evil rich man who would not feed him. The rich man ends up going to Hell, but Lazarus goes to Heaven, where Abraham is.
Luke 16:22-28
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.



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Indeed, and let us not forget that the patriarch Abraham also made it up to Heaven. In the book of Luke, Jesus relates how there was a beggar named Lazarus and an evil rich man who would not feed him. The rich man ends up going to Hell, but Lazarus goes to Heaven, where Abraham is.
Luke 16:22-28
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Elijah went up too!

2 Kings 2:11

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven


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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 09:30 AM

Rev Jim, I beg to differ: Before The resurrection it is alleged that nobody went to heaven. Jesus Himself says as much.

Joh:3:12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
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Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


As I understand it, the first entirely mortal person in heaven was one of the thieves crucified with Christ.

Lu:23:42: And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Lu:23:43: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

After the Resurrection, those who had a faith in Jesus consistent with His Teachings entered heaven.




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What's this? A Christian using an Authentic Wiccan (notice the lack of a trademark) phrase like "blessed be"?
Why? No. Maybe I should have used the symbol.

You can't claim something as "blessed be" as yours.

Genesis 14:19
And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 9:26
And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Anyway, just to be clear with God, I will go punish myself in the basement.


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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 11:38 AM

Oh my, I never intended to imply it was only a Wiccan saying (notice how I said it wasn't trademarked), but I have it on good authority Freehold's TermiWix is running a bit short of witches this year, they'll probably settle for anyone that uses witch slang.

Now, back to the topic at hand. Since there isn't quite a consensus on Abraham, Elijah and Lazarus, we will count them as ascending to Heaven just for argument's sake. I'll also assume that all the apostles mentioned in the New Testament (excluding Judas) were saved. This gives us, in no particular order:

Abraham, Elijah, Lazarus, the two thieves, Peter, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James, Thaddeus, Nathanael, Paul, Barnabus, Andronicus, Junia, Silas, Timothy, and Apollos.

Of course, not being a True Christian™, I admit I may have missed one. Please let me know if I did.

Now, this gives us a grand total of 23 Heaven residents pre-1611, when your Lord issued his KJV Bible to the masses.

Blessed be, my Christian friends

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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-13-2010, 04:41 PM

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Rev Jim, I beg to differ: Before The resurrection it is alleged that nobody went to heaven. Jesus Himself says as much.

Joh:3:12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
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Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

As I understand it, the first entirely mortal person in heaven was one of the thieves crucified with Christ.

Lu:23:42: And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Lu:23:43: And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

After the Resurrection, those who had a faith in Jesus consistent with His Teachings entered heaven.
Brother, I believe you overlook Revelation.

Revelation 20

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4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
If the saints who will reign with Jesus for a thousand years are "the first resurrection", that means they must surely be dead until that time. These are people who live through the time of the Beast -- the Tribulation. After all, they are noted as not having worshiped the Beast or taken his mark; they'd not have had a choice in the matter if they'd died beforehand.

So what happened to that thief? He must be awfully lonely in Heaven, just him, and God, and Jesus, and Holy Ghost, and Elijah hanging out. What if they don't have anything in common? Has the unending praising and worshiping begun? If so, I can't imagine two humans grovelling worshiping is much of an event for God.

Then comes the second resurrection, the resurrection unto salvation or damnation:

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13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
This is how God proves His love for all of His creation, Brother! Rather than letting sinners remain dead and unknowing, God will, in His infinite mercy, resurrect them ALL, then tell them how horrible and vile they are, and cast them into eternal torture! And the few who make the cut (like we True Christians™ get to watch our friends and loved ones be tossed into the flames like so much dung. Glory!
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Default Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell? - 10-19-2010, 12:54 PM

my thought on this is that no text is entirely correct, everything man touches/writes is tainted by sin, as a man has transcribed/printed/handed out copies of the Bible it must have a taint on it. From this alone we should be aware that their is (however minute) some sin manifest on the Bible itself.

Therefore in my thoughts would it not be best to search for an answer from all texts deemed religious worldwide? from the Bible to the Koran, Hindu and Buddhist transcripts, all these texts with their combined history and knowledge would be a better way of finding heaven, than a singular thought.

Before you judge this harshly though, i will leave with this though:

why would a god deem one religion to be correct and yet place a person into a life whereby they are brought up learning another religion? would this mean he is purposely not allowing certain groups into his kingdom? No. all texts have truth within them.
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my thought on this is that no text is entirely correct, everything man touches/writes is tainted by sin, as a man has transcribed/printed/handed out copies of the Bible it must have a taint on it. From this alone we should be aware that their is (however minute) some sin manifest on the Bible itself.
While this is true for many versions of the Holy Bible, don't you think there has to be one version that is correct? Don't you think God would have given us clear guidelines on His wishes? This correct version is the 1611 King James edition of the Holy Bible. Although, often the 1769 version is quoted as it is easier to read. One has to be careful though as there are mistakes in for example 1st Corinthians 12:28  and Joshua 3:11 making clear only the 1611 version is to be trusted.

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Therefore in my thoughts would it not be best to search for an answer from all texts deemed religious worldwide?
No, there is no way to avoid this issue. You either choose the correct Bible and live by it, or you go to Hell. God does not want us to create or follow false scripture. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

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why would a god deem one religion to be correct and yet place a person into a life whereby they are brought up learning another religion? would this mean he is purposely not allowing certain groups into his kingdom?
You should never blame others. Everyone is responsible for figuring out the one and only truth and then living by it. Praise The LORD that he brought you to this forum making choosing the right path so much easier for you. Not many people are blessed by this gift.

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"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9


1. Admit you are a worthless sinner. Romans 3:10
2. Be willing to turn from sin (repent). Acts 17:30
3. Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried and
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4. Through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become
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Lord Jesus, I know that I have sinned against you.
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Lord Jesus, I ask you to forgive me. I do not rely
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Lord Jesus, please save me!

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Elijah went up too!

2 Kings 2:11

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven

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So did Enoch!

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Hebrews 11:5

Enoch is unique, in that he is the only person named in the Bible who did not die.


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No, there is no way to avoid this issue. You either choose the correct Bible and live by it, or you go to Hell. God does not want us to create or follow false scripture. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

You should never blame others. Everyone is responsible for figuring out the one and only truth and then living by it. Praise The LORD that he brought you to this forum making choosing the right path so much easier for you. Not many people are blessed by this gift.

Yours in Christ,

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Hmm, how does the Bible explain this then? Here i have a comparison of the final days for both Buddha and Jesus. The Buddhist script is from approximately 200 years prior to the birt of Jesus. This either shows that buddhist script is prophetic, or that the story of the death of jesus was taken from Buddhist script

In this story of 'Gautama, a holy man' our hero is wrongfully condemned to die on the cross for murdering the courtesan Bhadra. Gautama is impaled on a cross, and his mentor Krishna Dvapayana visits him and enters into a long dialogue, at the end of which Gautama dies at the place of skulls after engendering two offspring – the progenitors of the Ikshavaku Dynasty.
1. The death episode begins for Buddha crossing the Ganges at Magadha, from whence he goes on to Kusinagari for a last meal.

The fable of Matthew (15:39) similarly has JC aboard ship, to the (unknown) "coasts of Magdala", from whence he goes on to Jerusalem for a last meal.


2. Both Buddha and JC forecast their own death 3 times.


3. Buddha arrives at Ku-kut-tha, JC at 'Gol ga tha'.


4. Both Buddha and JC twice refuse a drink.


5. Buddha dies between 2 trees, JC between 2 criminals.


6. Both promise their last convert that "today you will be in paradise."


7. Death occurs during 'darkness'.


8. A disciple of Buddha – Kas ya pas – travelling with 500 monks – encounters an unknown personage from whom he learns of the death of Buddha. Another unnamed disciple disparages the dead Buddha.


The fable of Luke has the disciple Kle o pas encounter an unknown personage on the road to Emmaus. This 'unrecognised' Jesus disparages the evident lack of faith.


In a variation of the story, the 500 Buddhist monks become Paul's 500 brethren (1 Cor. 15.6) – though Paul renders Kas ya pas as 'Cephas' (Simon Peter has his own origin in Sâri Putra, also in the Buddhist 'gospel').


9. The dead Buddha is burned and it is the smoke of his corpse which rises– the true "resurrection."

Also I was not 'blaming' anyone, what I said was more along the lines of 'why would he divide us into different religious areas if not to learn and gain combied knowledge'.
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Hmm, how does the Bible explain this then? Here i have a comparison of the final days for both Buddha and Jesus. The Buddhist script is from approximately 200 years prior to the birt of Jesus. This either shows that buddhist script is prophetic, or that the story of the death of jesus was taken from Buddhist script

In this story of 'Gautama, a holy man' our hero is wrongfully condemned to die on the cross for murdering the courtesan Bhadra. Gautama is impaled on a cross, and his mentor Krishna Dvapayana visits him and enters into a long dialogue, at the end of which Gautama dies at the place of skulls after engendering two offspring – the progenitors of the Ikshavaku Dynasty.
1. The death episode begins for Buddha crossing the Ganges at Magadha, from whence he goes on to Kusinagari for a last meal.

The fable of Matthew (15:39) similarly has JC aboard ship, to the (unknown) "coasts of Magdala", from whence he goes on to Jerusalem for a last meal.


2. Both Buddha and JC forecast their own death 3 times.


3. Buddha arrives at Ku-kut-tha, JC at 'Gol ga tha'.


4. Both Buddha and JC twice refuse a drink.


5. Buddha dies between 2 trees, JC between 2 criminals.


6. Both promise their last convert that "today you will be in paradise."


7. Death occurs during 'darkness'.


8. A disciple of Buddha – Kas ya pas – travelling with 500 monks – encounters an unknown personage from whom he learns of the death of Buddha. Another unnamed disciple disparages the dead Buddha.


The fable of Luke has the disciple Kle o pas encounter an unknown personage on the road to Emmaus. This 'unrecognised' Jesus disparages the evident lack of faith.


In a variation of the story, the 500 Buddhist monks become Paul's 500 brethren (1 Cor. 15.6) – though Paul renders Kas ya pas as 'Cephas' (Simon Peter has his own origin in Sâri Putra, also in the Buddhist 'gospel').


9. The dead Buddha is burned and it is the smoke of his corpse which rises– the true "resurrection."

Also I was not 'blaming' anyone, what I said was more along the lines of 'why would he divide us into different religious areas if not to learn and gain combied knowledge'.
Exactly what Buddhist script are you talking about? I have never heard of such a thing. No I don't want a website that makes this crap up, I want a link to the actual "Buddhist script". Because from what I understand none of this is found anywhere in the Sutra's.

You liebrals will believe anything as long as it dismisses God.


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Exactly what Buddhist script are you talking about? I have never heard of such a thing. No I don't want a website that makes this crap up, I want a link to the actual "Buddhist script". Because from what I understand none of this is found anywhere in the Sutra's.

You liebrals will believe anything as long as it dismisses God.


2nd Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Id be happy to give it to you, it comes from the Mahaparinirvana Sutra, here is a link to the Sutra.

http://www.shabkar.org/download/pdf/..._Page_2007.pdf

Have a read through.
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Id be happy to give it to you, it comes from the Mahaparinirvana Sutra, here is a link to the Sutra.

http://www.shabkar.org/download/pdf/..._Page_2007.pdf

Have a read through.
Translated in 1973, even research shows that it was written around 100 AD, so could you explain how someone who died in 500 BC wrote this?

It's just a bunch of silly stories added to Buddha to make him sound more miraculous. After all, what kind of God dies of food poisoning from pork, which sort of throws a curve ball into him being a vegetarian, doesn't it.

Oh and how do you know that it hasn't been rewritten to sound more like Jesus? Have you read the original Pali?


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