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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-16-2020, 04:11 PM

I hate to admit how many atheists there are in the Freehold Senior Center. They should live elsewhere but we are stuck with them. Every time I swing by there for coffee a few older ladies are waiting to argue.

But I have a new argument that stops them in their tracks. I say, "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is."

For centuries, atheism has traded on this idea people can lead sin-filled live without consequences. They are always saying, "We only get one life, let's enjoy it." I've seen these ladies take small flasks of whisky out of their purses and pour it in their coffee.

We True Christians™ know atheists will suffer for eternity. We also know we at LBC will be rewarded for eternity. This is reality proven by those whose hearts stopped, were technically dead and came back reporting heavenly music and visions. Eternal and blissful life is guaranteed in the Bible. So is punishment in hell for atheists. They need to hear this.


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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-18-2020, 07:53 PM

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Noah's Ark and the Great Flood are discussed in detail in the Bible and are therefore Real®.

Plate tectonics is not mentioned in the Bible and refutes God's Word in commanding the firmament.
I agree with you, but I'm also not a flat earther.I don't want to argue about that. The thing which you already know God is powerful. I believe God is powerful so much so that he can use Plate tectonics to do many things. He did create the earth after all.
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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-18-2020, 08:05 PM

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I agree with you, but I'm also not a flat earther.I don't want to argue about that. The thing which you already know God is powerful. I believe God is powerful so much so that he can use Plate tectonics to do many things. He did create the earth after all.
I think it's the metal plate in your head that you ought to worry about.


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I think it's the metal plate in your head that you ought to worry about.
Agreed, Brother Dr. Toole, Sir. The combination of this with the tinfoil helmet is probably not a great idea.


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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-19-2020, 01:19 AM

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I agree with you, but I'm also not a flat earther.I don't want to argue about that. The thing which you already know God is powerful. I believe God is powerful so much so that he can use Plate tectonics to do many things. He did create the earth after all.
So, I simply must ask--where did you get the idea that God created the earth? Were you taught this idea in a science classroom or did this concept come from the Bible?

If I may play Atheist Advocate for a moment [shudder] how can you believe in a God who created the earth using plate tectonics when the Bible never mentions any such mechanics of that nature? (Wait a minute, that's confusing. I don't need to assume the thought process of an atheist, I can just think like a True Christian™. Whew! much better.)

The Bible clearly states that God is never changing. He is Who He always has been and will ever be. His Word is specifically described as never changing.

Regarding the earth--the only major change that it underwent since the time of God's Creation is the Flood. We know this because the Bible tells us this. No other changes in land mass distribution are ever recorded, discussed or posited in the Bible.

Soooo, if you believe that God exists--as told in the Bible--and that He created the world--as told in the Bible--why would you believe in some weird "mutable earth" theory that the Bible never told us about?

If plate tectonics really were a thing that God made use of, don't you think that He would have told us about it in the Bible? Why would He keep something like that from us? It's not like God wants to keep us in the dark.

Psalms 119:105
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path

See how nice God is to provide us with light so that we can walk without stumbling? So why are you stumbling into non-Biblical ideas?

It just doesn't make sense for God to create this world and give us His Word to explain this world and then leave out such a big chunk of information in His explanation. That's assuming plate tectonics were real and God used them. . .Which He didn't, since they aren't mentioned in the Bible where God also tells us that He exists.

I hope that clears matters up for you.


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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-19-2020, 11:29 AM

I'm not sure to what extent Jizzya promotes extortion rackets or whether Samuel would be of any interest and without any idea of what shape's being claimed for the earth in post #42 about the best I can do is cite Samuel's statement:
I Samuel 2:7-9 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up. He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them. He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
It is clear from that that one's circumstances, however vile, can indeed change. Every baby is born vile. Brim-full of sin and deserving of perpetual torture.

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in my eyes this website is saying "once a sinner always a sinner etc."

Clearly the fact that anyone makes it into Paradise at all demonstrates "once a sinner" does not mean "always a sinner" and we know from the historical record that at least one person made it!
Luke 23:39-44 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

Unless you're suggesting there's nothing historical in The New Testament? That would go along with your Old Testament views concerning plate tectonics as proposed by secular geologists. Subterranean activity of that type would really mess up the pillars.
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The combination of this with the tinfoil helmet is probably not a great idea.
Extraterrestrials being real sounds cool and scary. I doubt they exist. The bible dose not talk about extraterrestrials. I do think dragons and dinosaurs are the same thing, They are both reptiles. I don't think cavemen ever existed because that's a blasphemous way of thinking.
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Soooo, if you believe that God exists--as told in the Bible--and that He created the world--as told in the Bible--why would you believe in some weird "mutable earth" theory that the Bible never told us about?

If plate tectonics really were a thing that God made use of, don't you think that He would have told us about it in the Bible? Why would He keep something like that from us? It's not like God wants to keep us in the dark.
Matthew 28:2
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


If plate tectonics were not a thing I believe this bible verse would not be possible. I like science, but the parts of science that don't match with what the bible says, I believe is a bunch of cool but unrealistic nonsense.
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And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

If plate tectonics were not a thing I believe this bible verse would not be possible.
You need to think more carefully about this before talking nonsense. If God wants to bless us with an earthquake, He doesn't need some absurd made-up pseudoscience to create one. Creating is what He does, what with Him being The Creator of everything.


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And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

If plate tectonics were not a thing I believe this bible verse would not be possible. I like science, but the parts of science that don't match with what the bible says, I believe is a bunch of cool but unrealistic nonsense.
Earthquakes are explained in the Holy Bible - and it's not plate tectonics, it's pillar tectonics:

Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
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And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


If plate tectonics were not a thing I believe this bible verse would not be possible. I like science, but the parts of science that don't match with what the bible says, I believe is a bunch of cool but unrealistic nonsense.
Sooo. . . You think that parts of the Bible are unrealistic nonsense?


Which parts? The parts that say that the Bible is God's True Word that never changes and endures forever? Or maybe you don't believe the parts that tell people not to add, delete or doubt the words of the Bible.


Do you think that the parts of the Bible that tell us that God exists are unrealistic nonsense? Because if God doesn't exist who wrote the Bible--both the parts that you do and do not believe?


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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-21-2020, 03:27 PM

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Sooo. . . You think that parts of the Bible are unrealistic nonsense?
No I don't think that parts of science are unrealistic nonsense not parts of the bible?
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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-21-2020, 03:32 PM

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No I don't think that parts of science are unrealistic nonsense not parts of the bible?
I meant to type "No I don't think that parts of bible are unrealistic nonsense just parts of the science?"
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Default Re: Checkmate, Atheists - 12-21-2020, 03:41 PM

I understood the "nonsense" part, but that's it.
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I meant to type "No I don't think that parts of bible are unrealistic nonsense just parts of the science?"
This is great. So you don't think that any part of the Bible is unrealistic nonsense, which means you believe it all and agree with it. And you admit that there are aspects of scientific inquiry that are unrealistic nonsense.

By your stated reasoning, anything in science that disputes any part of the Bible is wrong. Frankly, given how much stuff out there in the science community is in opposition to information in the Bible, that particular community doesn't seem very reliable at all.

Why would you trust them on such a profound subject as to how the world was created and functions as a geologic entity? If I were you,
I would not take this plate tectonics thing as a given. Those guys are obviously whack.*


*Is that the current slang? I am not much for this kiddo talk.


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Matthew 28:2
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


If plate tectonics were not a thing I believe this bible verse would not be possible. I like science, but the parts of science that don't match with what the bible says, I believe is a bunch of cool but unrealistic nonsense.
But the verse itself states the cause of the earthquake: the angel of the Lord. Are you suggesting the Angel erupted up from Hades? Or that the Angel is a tectonic plate? How would that sit on the stone?

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I do think dragons and dinosaurs are the same thing, They are both reptiles.
Who told you dinosaurs were reptiles?

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/04/24/yale-study-finds-that-dinosaurs-were-warm-blooded/

Earlier this year, a Yale group conducted a study finding groups of dinosaurs were warm-blooded, providing a new basis for the understanding of dinosaur biology. The researchers studied three lineages of dinosaurs — sauropods, ornithischia and therapods — in terms of their internal body temperature compared to the external environmental temperature.
As you may be aware, reptiles are cold blooded. The above is current research. Earlier investigations (into bone structure) arrived at the same conclusion. See if you can find that one. It would be a good exercise in looking things up before making your next statement.

Clearly none of this suggests a date for ancient reptiles or dinosaurs and although biologists doing this type of research habitually deny The Bible, at least by reading what they publish you can find out what they actually claim.
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