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Default Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 07:06 AM

Saudi Arabia: 80-year-old man marries 11-year-old girl


"There is no law that prohibits the marriage of a girl under 18," says the randy old goat, and he's right. After all, Muhammad did it:

"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88

It seems likely that this is the same case as the one we reported about here, although it could conceivably be a similar but different case of child marriage. "Saudi activists outraged as man marries 11 yr old," from Al-Arabiya, January 17 (thanks to Sr. Soph):
DUBAI (Al Arabiya) News of a Saudi octogenarian marrying an eleven-year-old girl has outraged human rights activists amid calls on the government to regulate the marriage of underage girls, local media reported Saturday.
The Saudi National Human Rights Commission formed a committee to investigate the marriage, which activists consider a flagrant violation of human and children rights, the Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh said.

The marriage registrar, who was widely criticized since he agreed to seal the marriage contract knowing the girl's age, absolved himself of any blame.

"There is no law that prohibits the marriage of a girl under 18," he told the paper. "Plus, I summoned the girl and she declared her consent and signed the contract."...

The father, who took 85,000 riyals (more than $22,000) in dowry, defended his decision to marry off his 11-year-old daughter even though his wife vehemently objected.

"I don't care about her age," he told the paper. "Her health and her body build make her fit for marriage. I also don't care what her mother thinks."
Of course not. Why should he?
The father added that marriage at such an early age has been a custom in the Saudi society for a very long time and that he saw no reason why it should be a problem now.
"This is a very old custom and there is nothing wrong with it whether religiously or socially."...

As for the bride, she just called for help as she burst into tears.

"Save me. I don't want him," she cried.

Is she just being dramatic for the sake of mock decency? Or does she really mean it, that, she doesn't want him? What is wrong with this picture? Or is it just as it should be, completely as God intended?

What do you think?

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Default Re: Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 07:14 AM



On one hand she does have to obey her father in all things and the Bible says you can sell your daughter (Exodus 21:7). On the other, he is 80 and he probably won't be able to allow her to be saved through childbirth.

I'm going to have to pray on this one for a while.


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Default Re: Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 07:53 AM

But they are filthy muslims...and everything they do is an abomination to God.

Right?


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Default Re: Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 08:12 AM

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But they are filthy muslims...and everything they do is an abomination to God.

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Mooselimbs are like stopped clocks. They can be correct occasionally. Of course they are all going to hell (even the 11 year old girl), but I enjoy applying the Bible to everyday scenarios like this.

According to the true scriptures, there's still nothing wrong with this. I only wish we could convert the muzzies to Christianity. Can you imagine that passion and zeal? We would rule the world shortly.


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Default Re: Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 08:43 AM

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"There is no law that prohibits the marriage of a girl under 18," he told the paper. "Plus, I summoned the girl and she declared her consent and signed the contract."...

The father, who took 85,000 riyals (more than $22,000) in dowry, defended his decision to marry off his 11-year-old daughter even though his wife vehemently objected.

"I don't care about her age," he told the paper. "Her health and her body build make her fit for marriage. I also don't care what her mother thinks."
[/INDENT]Of course not. Why should he?[INDENT]The father added that marriage at such an early age has been a custom in the Saudi society for a very long time and that he saw no reason why it should be a problem now.
"This is a very old custom and there is nothing wrong with it whether religiously or socially."...

As for the bride, she just called for help as she burst into tears.

"Save me. I don't want him," she cried...
What do expect from a country that has no laws. Islamic countries follow this practice all the time. The general rule in the Islamic countries is when a female starts getting her woman time, she is ready for marriage.


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Genesis 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
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Default Re: Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 01:21 PM

Wrong.

Marriage must be consented by the girl!!! Both parents must agree also (if the girl hasn't reached puberty) but even then she can only go to the husband's house once she's reached puberty.
And when she's reached puberty she can divorce him (without any problems)
...(don't reckon you'd believe me but meh...)

Dowry going to the father IS WRONG also , all the dowry goes to the woman not the family...Traditional Saudi/Pakistan/ect: thing is that the family get some of the dowry and the girl gets some...WRONG WRONG WRONG! Dowry is for the WOMAN only

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But they are filthy muslims...
That right there is why this story is an outrage. Without Christ, it can't be a REAL marriage, so this 80-year-old mudslime will be FORNICATING with an 11-year-old girl!



I STRONGLY suggest both parties RENOUNCE Islamofacism IMMEDIATELY and TURN THEIR HEARTS TO CHRIST! Then they can be TRULY MARRIED instead of the obscene mockery "marriage" they are currently using to cover their debased lust for each other!


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Wrong.

Marriage must be consented by the girl!!! Both parents must agree also (if the girl hasn't reached puberty) but even then she can only go to the husband's house once she's reached puberty.
And when she's reached puberty she can divorce him (without any problems)
...(don't reckon you'd believe me but meh...)

Dowry going to the father IS WRONG also , all the dowry goes to the woman not the family...Traditional Saudi/Pakistan/ect: thing is that the family get some of the dowry and the girl gets some...WRONG WRONG WRONG! Dowry is for the WOMAN only

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So Aisha hit puberty at nine years old? Are you saying Muslims adhere to the "grass on the field then play ball" rule? That doesn't repulse you?
You cannot convince me that it is okay to have sex with a nine year old, just because she has menstruated.


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Default Re: Is this right, or, wrong?? - 08-04-2010, 05:37 PM

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So Aisha hit puberty at nine years old? Are you saying Muslims adhere to the "grass on the field then play ball" rule? That doesn't repulse you?
You cannot convince me that it is okay to have sex with a nine year old, just because she has menstruated.
One of your own forum members was married to an older gentleman at the age of fourteen, and this has received wide recognition as being a righteous union in the eyes of the Lord, among the faithful here. I thought you were a True Christian™? Maybe you need to go to some more meetings I'm thinking.

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That may be your opinion, but it is not the Lord's:

Prov. 28:26: He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.


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That may be your opinion, but it is not the Lord's:

Prov. 28:26: He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
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Tell me, does the New Testament and it's teachings supercede those of the Old Testament? Or should we throw out the New in favor of the Old? What did Jesus say about the pieces of cloth, fitting the unshrunken on the already washed cloth?



I think the quote from proverbs means, that he who follows his desires, which are NOT the heart as it is understood today but maybe back then, will surely find his destruction at the end of said desires. I would almost bet that is the meaning but leave it to those that understand the words and contexts of the Bible better than I to decipher it.

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ps. I am not a fool, I was top in my class, and have studied both the Bible intensely and classic buddhist texts, on top of that I have prayed in the tradition of the Catholics for a long time, and meditated in the buddhist tradition for an even longer time. I am not your average undiscerned youth, what I'm trying to say is, nothing but your best shot will impress me. I have also read many of the foremost Saints from the early Church, before it was split into Protestants and Catholics, and they have blessed me with spiritual insights that help me beyond what I've found in the Bible, be that wrong or right, I find that it has enriched me, same as pastors, priests and ministers do today, since the saints were self-same of their day and age. I may be unsaved trash in title here, but my preparation have been long, and my humility grows with each passing day.

Don't try and pulla quick one on me. That's all I'm saying. 9 times out of 10 it won't work. But you are welcome to try.

Thank you.

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I was top in my class, and have studied both the Bible intensely and classic buddhist texts, on top of that I have prayed in the tradition of the Catholics for a long time, and meditated in the buddhist tradition for an even longer time.
I find the former difficult to believe based on the latter.


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One of your own forum members was married to an older gentleman at the age of fourteen, and this has received wide recognition as being a righteous union in the eyes of the Lord, among the faithful here. I thought you were a True Christian™? Maybe you need to go to some more meetings I'm thinking.

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Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. -Jesus Christ
You're so brilliant, and yet you don't understand the difference between "pure in heart" and "he that trusteth in his own heart"?

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I think the quote from proverbs means, that he who follows his desires, which are NOT the heart as it is understood today but maybe back then, will surely find his destruction at the end of said desires. I would almost bet that is the meaning but leave it to those that understand the words and contexts of the Bible better than I to decipher it.
I think the quote from Proverbs means what the words say. Since you're the one creatively rewriting Scripture, you have the burden of proof.

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ps. I am not a fool, I was top in my class, and have studied both the Bible intensely and classic buddhist texts, on top of that I have prayed in the tradition of the Catholics for a long time, and meditated in the buddhist tradition for an even longer time. I am not your average undiscerned youth, what I'm trying to say is, nothing but your best shot will impress me. I have also read many of the foremost Saints from the early Church, before it was split into Protestants and Catholics, and they have blessed me with spiritual insights that help me beyond what I've found in the Bible, be that wrong or right, I find that it has enriched me, same as pastors, priests and ministers do today, since the saints were self-same of their day and age. I may be unsaved trash in title here, but my preparation have been long, and my humility grows with each passing day.
I can see an end coming to this saga. It seems that we have a Catlik on our hands. And WE all know that Papist scum are NOT Christians. It is also clear why he has affections towards men. He must be a defrocked priest.
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I apologize, uh what exactly do you find hard to believe, here?
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I apologize, uh what exactly do you find hard to believe, here?
That you have studied the Bible yet still worship false "gods" through papism and boodhism.


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That you have studied the Bible yet still worship false "gods" through papism and boodhism.
Does your lack of respect for other religions perhaps reflect an inner lack of respect, for your own? Honesty is the best policy, both your background and life experience should have convinced you of that by now.

And, what is boodhism? I just can't seem to find it in the dictionary. Can you explain the word a bit better, so I can understand it, clearly?

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