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Default More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 03:32 PM

During a discussion with an unsaved heathen where I was reviewing the proof that gays choose to be sodomites, Brother Hutchins reminded me of the apparent conflict with my logical proof where God appears to punish people for the sins of relatives. (See the referenced thread for the full discussion.)

While I was writing my response, I thought it might make a good stand-alone thread. As such, here is my logic proving that gays choose their deathstyle and an analysis of the "sins of the father" issue. I request that our Pastors let me know if I have this right!

Here is my proof that gays CHOOSE to be sodomites:

1. God sends unrepentant sinners to Hell
2. To be a sodomite is to sin
3. Ergo: Unrepentant sodomites will be sent to Hell by God

4. God is perfect
5. A perfect being would never send someone to hell for something that that person had no control over.
6. Ergo: God doesn't send people to Hell for things that they have no choice in.

Combining #s 3 and 6 we get:

7. Unrepentant sodomites will be sent to Hell by God
8. God doesn't send people to Hell for things that they have no choice in.
9. Ergo: Homo's MUST choose to to be gay.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Brother Hutchins wisely reminded me of some scripture that MAY APPEAR to conflict with this logic to the unsaved:

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Now, in some instances, it is the grave blasphematic actions of a loved one or sibling that brings down Gods wrath upon the (on the surface) innocent person (like severed limbs, accidental disfigurement, gruesome mangling death of a child in front of a parent).
I want to thank him for bringing up this advanced theological concept. (I tried to keep it simple for the heathen's sake.) Brother Hutchins is 100% right. Just look at the concept of "original sin" to see an example of something that ON THE SURFACE appears to be God punishing people who had no choice in the matter. For you heathens, the concept of original sin is that because Eve ate the apple, all humans are born into a state of sin because of what Eve did. If one does not ask for forgiveness for being born a lowly human, you will go to Hell.

However, what we all know is that God gives each of us a glorious gift: The internal knowledge of God's glory. Because of this, we all have the ability to kneel before our universal Master and ask forgiveness for being born in this lowly state. (Incidentally, this is how we know that all atheists are liars. We ALL have the gift of God's love in our hearts. Atheists KNOW God is real, but hate God for bad things that they have experienced and so lie about not being able to feel God.)

As for Brother Hutchins' citation toward the "Sins of the Father" concept, he is 100% correct to point it out. However, he forgot that he was dealing with an unsaved heathen that may not be as well versed in advanced theology as he is. Below, I reference some relevant scriptural references that indicate that God SEEMS to punish people for sins that their relatives committed. HOWEVER, there is a way that people have the free will not to be subjugated to this, as we will discuss later on.

Verses that indicate SOME SORT of punishment for sins of relatives:

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Deuteronomy 5:9
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,"

Exodus 34:6-7
"6And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."

Exodus 20:5
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"
This SEEMS to violate the "God wouldn't send someone to Hell if that person had no control over the sin" concept, doesn't it? Well, there are TWO problems with that. FIRST, note that these are all from the Old Testament, before God gave us the gift of Hell. Back then, these just meant that if you were in a sinful family, God would make life a little rougher on you than other families. This was his incentive for families to stay on the straight and narrow. That said, these can NOT be used to support the idea of God sending someone to Hell for sins that they had no control over, because there WAS NO HELL THEN.

Next, God clarifies in BOTH the Old and New Testaments that the sins of the Father will NOT be visited upon the sons:

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OLD TESTAMENT
Deuteronomy 24:16
"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

Ezekiel 18:20
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

NEW TESTAMENT
1 Corinthians 15:22
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."
Clearly, God has clarified that he does not kill people for sins of their relatives. Even in the New Testament he clarifies that we can't consider original sin without ALSO recognizing that Jesus will save us all if we just ask.

Finally, note that there is a very simple way to use your God-given free will to avoid even RISKING having a tougher life due to being in a sinful family: disown them as Jesus taught us to do:

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Luke 14:26
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
In conclusion, in the NEW Testament (the only time when Hell exists), God never says he will send anyone to Hell for sins of his family AND he clarifies in both the New and Old Testaments that he doesn't do that AND when in doubt, just leave your family (as Jesus tells us to do) to avoid inheriting sin.

Our all-Loving God created the eternal torture of Hell, but only for those who refuse to follow these simple instructions.

What could be clearer?


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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 04:21 PM

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What could be clearer?
Nothing, Brother Gabriel. I hope your excellent analysis will put an end for once and for all to all those claiming that gayness is not a choice.

I think your logic can be applied to other sins as well. I never realized this, but clearly being black, being a woman or even being a democrat are all choices.


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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 05:13 PM

Of course it's a choice! You either do things like that or you don't.


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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 06:00 PM

Excellent write up Brother Reproba, excellent!



Nothing like the scripture to drive home the spikes of Gods love.

You are too kind to give so much credit. After all, it is not my way of managing life, it is Gods. I just follow His rules as He laid out.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 08:23 PM

My friend Mr. Reproba, I can't say I agree with your theory in the least but I am willing to listen to your reasoning and logic. However, I would like to request you provide proof using scientific methods and experimentation for those of us who do not accept the bible as proof on its own.

Thank you for your cooperation and I look forward to learning from you as I try to open your mind and eyes in return.

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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 08:51 PM

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My friend Mr. Reproba, I can't say I agree with your theory in the least but I am willing to listen to your reasoning and logic. However, I would like to request you provide proof using scientific methods and experimentation for those of us who do not accept the bible as proof on its own.
You must be one of those lying atheists I described above. In your heart of hearts, you KNOW that God loves you. What happened to you to make you hate God? Did your father sodomize you? Did you get some sort of debilitating disease? Did your child die at a young age? Whatever it was, get over it. Acknowledge that you feel God's love and ask for forgiveness.

As for your insistence on proofs using the "scientific method," we have done many scientific reviews of the Bible and come to many conclusions. However, wasn't it Stephen Gould, one of the most glorified Darwinists EVER who admitted that science has NOTHING to do with morality and God? In fact it was he who developed the term "non-overlapping magisteria" (NOMA) to describe how science and religion could not comment on each other's realm. Gould went on to develop this idea in some detail, particularly in the books Rocks of Ages (1999) and The Hedgehog, the Fox, and the Magister's Pox (2003). In 1982 Gould wrote:

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Morality is a subject for philosophers, theologians, students of the humanities, indeed for all thinking people. The answers will not be read passively from nature; they do not, and cannot, arise from the data of science. The factual state of the world does not teach us how we, with our powers for good and evil, should alter or preserve it in the most ethical manner.
Checkmate.


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Logic and Bible Agree: Gay is a choice!
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There is no such thing as an "agnostic!"
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My friend Mr. Reproba, I can't say I agree with your theory in the least but I am willing to listen to your reasoning and logic. However, I would like to request you provide proof using scientific methods and experimentation for those of us who do not accept the bible as proof on its own.

Thank you for your cooperation and I look forward to learning from you as I try to open your mind and eyes in return.

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27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
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Thank you for your cooperation and I look forward to learning from you as I try to open your mind and eyes in return.

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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 09:14 PM

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In your heart of hearts, you KNOW that God loves you.
Dear friend, I am indeed aware of the fact that the universe has positivity in store for me. Or as you would put it, that god loves me. It's all the same really.

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I only wish I could make tortillas! As you know, my name was changed and the avatar was put there by one of your mods. It's fine by me as I love all my Mexican friends, even the ones I haven't met yet!

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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 09:15 PM

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My friend Mr. Reproba, I can't say I agree with your theory in the least but I am willing to listen to your reasoning and logic. However, I would like to request you provide proof using scientific methods and experimentation for those of us who do not accept the bible as proof on its own.

Thank you for your cooperation and I look forward to learning from you as I try to open your mind and eyes in return.

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Apparently some foul sin that you are obsessed with is hampering your faith in God. You must grow up and realize that God exists whether you believe in Him or not! Just because you would never want to live in a world where anal sex is evil, doesn't make it okay!


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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 09:50 PM

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Dear friend, I am indeed aware of the fact that the universe has positivity in store for me. Or as you would put it, that god loves me. It's all the same really.
Does your feeling of positivity tell you that it is a sin to be gay? If not then it is in NO WAY the same thing.....really.

Also, thanks for responding to one sentence of my post and ignoring the 90% of it addressing your irrational demands for sciencism. How convenient.


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Also, thanks for responding to one sentence of my post and ignoring the 90% of it addressing your irrational demands for sciencism. How convenient.
Mr Roproba, rest assured I did not ignore the rest of your post. I only chose to take out the part I felt moved to respond to so as not to cause confusion.

I'm sure you understand.

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Default Re: More Proof That Gays Choose Their Sexuality - 11-28-2010, 09:59 PM

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Mr Roproba, rest assured I did not ignore the rest of your post. I only chose to take out the part I felt moved to respond to so as not to cause confusion.

I'm sure you understand.
I understand. I I understand that as soon as we demolish your arguments, you admit defeat by abandoning, entirely, your position. Thank you for admitting that you hate God and that Jesus hates fags and will burn them in Hell. Enjoy being Satan's plaything.


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Stoning Sinners: A How-To Guide
Scientific Study: Bible is NOT "All About Love"
The One Sin Jesus Says He Won't EVER Forgive!
Should we only follow SOME of the Bible?
How will YOU sacrifice your kids?
20 Questions To See If Your Son Is A Fag
God: Dress Like A Whore...Get Raped!
Bible: If You Love Your Wife, Beat Her!
Logic and Bible Agree: Gay is a choice!
Nursery Rhymes Teach kids that Christ is Lord!
There is no such thing as an "agnostic!"
Science: People are Only Islamic Because They are Depressed!

Reading only the parts of the Bible your pastor tells you to (those that make you feel warm and fuzzy) is nothing but mental and spiritual masturbation. Read the WHOLE Bible to find out what Christianity is REALLY all about! Only then can you talk to us about why we try so hard to save people from Hell.
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