[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Overlord.

A benevolent god creates life for the sole purpose of sending it to eternal damnation.

This is a contradiction, please explain.

It's only a contradiction to you because you are imperfect unsaved trash trying to doubt God and find excuses so you can sin and have anal sex.

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Isaiah 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

Questioning God is only going to end one way for you, friend.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Overlord.

A benevolent god creates life for the sole purpose of sending it to eternal damnation.

This is a contradiction, please explain.

The Bible explains everything. Don't ask me. Read God's Word. Isaiah 45:7

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Overlord.

A benevolent god creates life for the sole purpose of sending it to eternal damnation.

Where do you find this in the Holy Bible?

Instead, if you were to read the Bible, you'd find a Powerful God creates life for His Glory. Those being sent to eternal damnation is of their own choice. It's very simple:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:13

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by -NO DATA-

Ok, and what "proof" do you have that the bible is actually god's word?

Friend, if you but open your heart to God, you will find "proof" is unnecessary when you have faith!

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
1 Thessalonians 2:13

[Redeemed Papist]

I skipped over the fact he said God was benevolent without calling him out on that. I was too busy being appalled at him daring to question God.

Read the Bible and get back to me on how God is benevolent, sinner.

[o'really]

Hello all,

I have stumbled upon this thread on this forum, and have been struck in awe by the teachings that you are trying to impart on the poor people subscribed to this forum. Although I have absolutely no prejudice against the general ideas and teachings of christianity, the arguments that you are trying to make leave me with little to no respect for the religion that you represent, as you leave little to no room for me to feel sympathy for your viewpoints. The sheer and utter ignorance that you (as a whole) are showing is not even fathomable to me, and I can definitely say that prior to me reading this thread, if anyone had told me that there was a group of people who firmly held strong beliefs against prominent scientific truths such as gravity, I would've merely laughed.

Now first let me say that I have read through this thread in its entirety, and I completely understand the standpoints that you are taking in respect to modern-day's teachings of gravity, and other scientific deductions. I understand that you hold every shred of your being and every ounce of your faith in "The King James Bible", and that any expressed knowledge or explanation of reality beyond this book serves as "Satan's evil influence". And MOST OF ALL, i understand that neither mine, nor your explanation of the fundamental foundations of this world can be backed up by anything other than knowledge imparted on us by our predecessors, but I hope that in my rebuttal to your arguments, I can help enlighten as many people as possible to the outlook that I (and the general consensus of the modern-day world) share.

Alright, lets start taking apart your arguments and showing you why you're wrong. I'll do this by going through the arguments in your original post one by one. And just as a side-note, since you seem to be picking apart everyone who responds' wording, "devil-worshipping atheists"? Maybe you should quickly look up the meaning of the word "atheist" before you misuse it. I'm not saying I am one, it's just hypocritical.

1. Yes, you are correct with the definition of the word, "theory". However, the principle of gravity, having been a theory in the late 1660's, adapted the name, "Theory of Gravity". This was back when gravity WAS merely an assumption, without having statistical or empirical data to back up its claims. The only thing that the observers of the time could produce, was a theory. Since then, however, modern science has evolved to the point of being able to literally PROVE the force of gravity and the principles that it follows. We can literally PROVE through observation alone, that the Earth is round, and that the moon revolves around the Earth, and that the Earth revolves around the Sun (among other planets), and so on. We have categorized the behaviours of matter into gravitational laws, that every mass in the observable universe abides by. (And I use "law" to mean a generalization based on recurrent and consistent evidence)

2. Sure, you can bring up the idea that gravity was never talked about in the version of the Bible that you follow, and therefore it is of the devil. But just because a certain idea is "of the devil", doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. You say that the falling down of many things in the Bible is because God made it so, but wouldn't THAT in itself be a generalization that God created gravity? Our definition of gravity, and you're explanations for the falling down of objects are one in the same. "Gravity" is just a name we have assigned to the phenomenon that we observe. The idea of gravity does not imply anything against the idea of God, nor does it imply the falsification of anything that the bible says, so why attack its integrity? It's just a way for people to generalize the rules of reality that we OBSERVE.

3. I even have a problem with the title of this. "Incoherent" is subjective, "ramblings" is subjective, and "gravitationalist" is not a real word. If gravity was a disputable subject, maybe it would be a word, but since gravity is such an accepted fact, there isn't even the NEED for the word "gravitationalist". The basic principles of gravity literally have NOTHING to do with the space-time continuum, nor does it have to do with any alleged "extra dimensions". And again, you're using the word "law" to mean a system of rules enforced by God on mankind. Yes, these are laws, but when we say "physical laws", the word "laws" is used in its other meaning: "a statement of fact, deduced form observation, to the effect hat a particular natural or scientific phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions are present". Any scientist that explains gravity through talking about "other dimensions", I even admit is an idiot. You don't need other dimensions to prove gravity. This broad generalization of people who believe in gravity is extremely false, and the fact that you refuse to even hear the arguments for it is as foolish as covering your ears and shouting.

4. The entire concept of backmasking is a touchy, controversial subject. Many people for many decades have been experimenting to see whether or not backmasking is a legitimate means for subliminal messaging, and claims have been made for both sides of the argument. What HAS been proven, however, is the mind's ability to use selective hearing when given a seemingly incoherent grouping of phrases (the tape played backwards, in this case). I'll give an example (and this study HAS been conducted, with definite results), let's say that you play a tape of words backwards to some people that are not listening specifically for any words. They will come up with a couple, maybe a few jumbled-up words that may sounds similar to English words, but this is merely because of the brain's need to find patterns in incoherency. Next, the exact same tape is played backwards for a group of people listening specifically for the word, "Satan". Depending on the content of the tape, the people will come up with many more instances of the word than the former group. This is because since they are searching for the word, their mind wants to cling onto certain sounds that they hear and translate them to patterns that they are looking for. I'm not even going to TOUCH the fact that Newton wrote the Principia Mathematica almost 100 years before the USA was founded, and at least 300 years before Obama was even born…

5. It's hard for me to refute this one, since the entire claim of it is based off of the assumption that Hell is at the centre of the Earth. I guess you could say that for this reason, gravity is the work of the devil, but this doesn't really help in your arguments against gravity as a whole. It's just saying that gravity does exist, but it's bad.

I'm sorry for the extremely long post, and I hope most (if not all) of you read this, and I am definitely looking forward to any rebuttal or response to my arguments, since I am very interested in your viewpoint, and believe everyone should have their say, but extremely importantly, not to overlook the say of others.

Thank you, have a nice day

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by ....really?

Thank you, have a nice day

Thank you, friend! I hope you have a nice day as well! Have you found our introductions forum? There you can introduce yourself, tell us where you go to church, how you came to find Christ Jesus fulfill all your needs!

I admit, I didn't read your entire post. It was rather lengthy and my time is precious. I know scientists like to sound very smart, it makes them feel better about themselves. A shame, considering the "wisdom of man" is really the lies of Satan. I hope you'll join me in praying for them.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by ....really?

wall of whiny text looking for an excuse to not believe in God in order to have anal sex

All that whiffle and not one bit of valid citation from God.

[o'really]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

All that whiffle and not one bit of valid citation from God.

So do you have any arguments against any of the points that I brought up?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by ....really?

So do you have any arguments against any of the points that I brought up?

Why bother? Seriously! It's all drivel to distract us from praising Jesus because your master Satan wants us to stray from following God as He is infallibly revealed to us in the Holy Bible. Things fall down when you let them go. Get over it!

[o'really]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Why bother?

Why wouldn't you want to try and support your own ideas? I really do want to find out how you respond to the points that I'm bringing up, because I'm curious about the teachings of your faith.

And really, my original response is directed towards the original poster in this thread, True Disciple.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by ....really?

Why wouldn't you want to try and support your own ideas? I really do want to find out how you respond to the points that I'm bringing up, because I'm curious about the teachings of your faith.

And really, my original response is directed towards the original poster in this thread, True Disciple.

Why do you think God is so feeble He needs my support?

All of God's wonders and wishes are there in the Bible for you to read. I've enough faith to think that anyone who reads the Bible with a truly open mind will wind up believing on God as much as I do.

[o'really]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Why do you think God is so feeble He needs my support?

My arguments above are only a response to True Disciple's original post. If you don't feel it necessary to support his arguments against gravity, I'm not asking you to. However, I still have not seen any valid points against what I've said, and it would be best for the original writer of what I'm arguing against to defend his claims.

[o'really]

And please, if anyone wants to respond to me, please read my ENTIRE post. I read the entire 10 pages of this thread before posting, so the least you can do is read some paragraphs.

[-NO DATA-]

Originally Posted by ....really?

So do you have any arguments against any of the points that I brought up?

let me save you ALOT of time buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=173411728

[o'really]

Originally Posted by -NO DATA-

let me save you ALOT of time buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=173411728

Just trying to get a bit into their mentality

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Overlord.

A benevolent god creates life for the sole purpose of sending it to eternal damnation.

This is a contradiction, please explain.

You're right, it IS a contradiction.

And if God were "omnibenevolent", we'd have a problem.

However, God is selectively benevolent. He loves and provides only for those who follow Him with perfect faith. He hates everyone else. You'd know this if you read the Bible.



That's why He will resurrect them (all non-Christians, and all nominal Christians who continue to sin) from unknowing death at Judgment, so He can tell them what they did wrong and cast them into His Lake of Fire to be burned alive forever, with no chance of escape or death. If that's not hatred, I don't know what is!

So, you see, the explanation is that you have bought into a straw god created by lying false Christians. They've created a non-Biblical god who happens to believe the same things they do, and who loves everybody. They count on you NOT reading the Bible to find out they are wrong.

[supremechristlover]

DEFINE GRAVITY.

Then we'll talk.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by supremechristlover

DEFINE GRAVITY.

Then we'll talk.

Intelligent Pulling

It means God keeps it together for us. Simple.

Now you try!

[Alkalai]

Originally Posted by True Disciple

Brothers and Sisters in Christ (and all you smelly, unsaved heathens who pollute these Godly forums with your non-christian morality, non-christian science and other kinds of secular godlessness),

it is my pleasure to make my first contribution to these forums with an essay exposing one of the immoral, materialistic lies fed upon the unsuspecting public by devil-worshipping atheists. I am speaking, of course, about the faulty theory of gravity. I will tackle some of the more evil aspects of gravitational theory, and explain why it is incompatible with genuine, bible-based science, which is the only kind there is, of course.

1. A Fact?
Is gravity an accepted fact? Many public school teachers would like you to believe so. However, this is a ridiculous presumption, cooked up by Lucifer’s demons in the deepest bowels of Hell. Gravity is not a fact, but only a theory, and, as every True Christian® knows, the word “theory” means “vague, delusional speculation on basis of wrongly interpreted data.” This is in sharp contrast to facts, which are defined as “things whose truthfulness is beyond question.” There are currently several thousands known facts, all of which were already known before the year 1611 AD, when they were compiled in one single book, called “The King James Bible.” This means that genuine science must be based upon the Bible, and nothing else. Gravity, I will show, is not. In fact, every secular “scientist” acknowledges that gravity is just a theory, yet they keep insisting, with unashamed hypocrisy, that it is taught at schools.

2. Gravity is of the devil
The Bible clearly teaches that all things can be divided into two groups: things that are with Jesus, and things that are against Him (of the devil). The Bible testaments the falling down of many things, including rain, people, manna, millstones, walls, stars, Jezebel and Sodom and Gomorra (after being lifted and flipflopped in the sky…can gravity explain such a thing? I think not!), but it also documents the cause of these miracles. This cause, of course, is God, and not some lunatic naturalistic theory that is not even proven. As gravity has no biblical support, it is not of Jesus, therefore it is of the devil.

3. Incoherent ramblings of gravitationists
When asking what causes this supposed “gravity,” many gravitationists readily admit that they don’t even know for sure. They will then start blabbing about “curvatures in the space-time continuum,” adding extra, imaginary dimensions to make their models fit. Can you believe that? One of the favourite methods of lying atheists to support their hopeless theories is to add as many extra dimensions and physical “laws” as needed to rescue their models, completely ignoring that the Bible speaks of no physical “laws,” the only existent laws being those which God gave to Moses. Likewise, no other dimensions than the known three are described in the bible. The gravitationists say they can’t describe this “multi-dimentional” world, because they can’t even visualize it themselves, yet they claim to know for sure that it is “truth.” The main reason gravitationists bombard us with incomprehensible ideas like these, is to give the false impression that they have a clue what they’re talking about.

4. Backmasking experiment
Rigorous study by many respected Creation-Scientific institutes have proved demonic influence of the evil book of Isaac Newton, the Principia. Researchers let the first chapter of the book be read out loudly by four hellbound, godless Chinamen, with little grasp of Godly English, the language in which the only True Bible was written. They recorded it on tape, and consequently played it backwards. Of course, it was all Satan speaking, with the word “hell” occurring 148 times, “Satan” 133 times, “sex” 241 times, “gay” 101 times, “Obama” 238 times, “universal healthcare” 122 times, and so on. This is clear, irrefutable evidence of the demonic inspiration of gravitationist philosophy.

5. Gravitationism is a Hellish philosophy!
The bible clearly teaches the locations of Heaven and Hell, the former being high in the sky, between the clouds and the stars, and the latter being deep within the earth. However, gravity raises some troubling implications: it teaches that everything on earth is, in fact, drawn towards a point deep within the earth. This point, of course is Hell. So, gravitationism teaches that everything on earth tries to get to Hell! And this “everything” includes, of course, True Christians®. Can you imagine a more unbiblical doctrine? Hell is literally central in this philosophy, and Heaven is the place where everything tries to get away from. They teach this in public schools, folks! No wonder this country is going to hell.

If you want final proof that gravity is a lie of Satan, an easy deduction argument is enough:

Fact 1: Satan’s lies try to land people in Hell
Fact 2: Gravity tries to land people in Hell.
Ergo: Gravity is a lie of Satan

Fight gravitationism! Tell your neighbours about the repressed facts about this theory! Spread the truth!

God bless you (unless you aren’t a Christian, in which case He will torture you for all eternity, a punishment you deserve for picking the wrong religion).

The fact is you're too stupid to understand gravity or a multi-dimensional world. Try asking your precious God for some more IQ points.