[True Disciple]

I have another question for evolutionists: as descendants of Adam and Eve, we all carry the burden of the original sin. This is part of who we are. However, according to godless atheists, a person is just an expression of his DNA. If that were true, why has no scientist ever found the DNA sequence that codes for the burden of original sin? This proves that so-called DNA is a secular hoax played upon impressionable Christian children by hellbound liberal baby-killing evilutionists.

[GodhateslandoverBC]

Oooh, this is fun!

• If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys and why aren't they transforming into humans?

on the older view of evolution that was the common idea of evolution for a century prior to Darwin (both the evolution of organisms, or languages, and of social institutions), if a lineage had evolved, it moved "up" the ladder as a whole. On the Darwinian view, only one part of a species evolves into the next (and there's no "next step" - a species evolves into whatever suits the local conditions of the population it evolves from; it may be bigger brained or smaller brained, or for that matter bigger or smaller). The rest of the species remains. So we end up with an increase in the diversity of life, which is, I think, the single most important point Darwin ever made. Monkeys remain because we are monkeys, and so are chimps, orangs, and all those other primates. All of them remain because they evolved by the multiplication of taxa.

• What was the "evolutionary advantage" of Adam's extra rib?

There are none.

• How does evolution explain angels, miracles, demon possession, etc.?

A demonic possession, angels or miracles have no correspondence to evolution in any way Because they themselves are not living breathing Single or multi-celled organisms. Nor is their reputable evidence for these.

• Do you believe that Jesus was more primitive and less "fit" than today's slugs and worms, since He was on Earth at an earlier time than they were?

I would say that the human evolution stages have slowed due to things like vacciens and other medications that go toward preventing illness. It truely is "Survival of the Fittest."

• If all life evolved out of rocks and lightning, what did the rocks and lightning evolve from?

Like stated above, non living organisms do not evolve.

• Scientific "laws" regarding thermodynamics and entropy say that things go from ordered to disordered. How do you explain evolution in light of this?

"This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, "No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body." [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.
However, they neglect the fact that life is not a closed system. The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? Creationists sometimes try to get around this by claiming that the information carried by living things lets them create order. However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws."

• Where are those transitional forms???

A transitional fossil is one that looks like it's from an organism intermediate between two lineages, meaning it has some characteristics of lineage A, some characteristics of lineage B, and probably some characteristics part way between the two. Transitional fossils can occur between groups of any taxonomic level, such as between species, between orders, etc. Ideally, the transitional fossil should be found stratigraphically between the first occurrence of the ancestral lineage and the first occurrence of the descendent lineage, but evolution also predicts the occurrence of some fossils with transitional morphology that occur after both lineages. There's nothing in the theory of evolution which says an intermediate form (or any organism, for that matter) can have only one line of descendents, or that the intermediate form itself has to go extinct when a line of descendents evolves.
To say there are no transitional fossils is simply false. Paleontology has progressed a bit since Origin of Species was published, uncovering thousands of transitional fossils, by both the temporally restrictive and the less restrictive definitions. The fossil record is still spotty and always will be; erosion and the rarity of conditions favorable to fossilization make that inevitable. Also, transitions may occur in a small population, in a small area, and/or in a relatively short amount of time; when any of these conditions hold, the chances of finding the transitional fossils goes down. Still, there are still many instances where excellent sequences of transitional fossils exist. Some notable examples are the transitions from reptile to mammal, from land animal to early whale, and from early ape to human. For many more examples, see the transitional fossils FAQ in the talk.origins archive, and see http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/talk_origins.html for sample images for some invertebrate groups.
The misconception about the lack of transitional fossils is perpetuated in part by a common way of thinking about categories. When people think about a category like "dog" or "ant," they often subconsciously believe that there is a well-defined boundary around the category, or that there is some eternal ideal form (for philosophers, the Platonic idea) which defines the category. This kind of thinking leads people to declare that Archaeopteryx is "100% bird," when it is clearly a mix of bird and reptile features (with more reptile than bird features, in fact). In truth, categories are man-made and artificial. Nature is not constrained to follow them, and it doesn't.
Some Creationists claim that the hypothesis of punctuated equilibrium was proposed (by Eldredge and Gould) to explain gaps in the fossil record. Actually, it was proposed to explain the relative rarity of transitional forms, not their total absence, and to explain why speciation appears to happen relatively quickly in some cases, gradually in others, and not at all during some periods for some species. In no way does it deny that transitional sequences exist. In fact, both Gould and Eldredge are outspoken opponents of Creationism.

"But paleontologists have discovered several superb examples of intermediary forms and sequences, more than enough to convince any fair-minded skeptic about the reality of life's physical genealogy." - Stephen Jay Gould, Natural History, May 1994

[True Disciple]

Originally Posted by GodhateslandoverBC

To say there are no transitional fossils is simply false. Paleontology has progressed a bit since Origin of Species was published, uncovering thousands of transitional fossils, by both the temporally restrictive and the less restrictive definitions. The fossil record is still spotty and always will be; erosion and the rarity of conditions favorable to fossilization make that inevitable. Also, transitions may occur in a small population, in a small area, and/or in a relatively short amount of time; when any of these conditions hold, the chances of finding the transitional fossils goes down. Still, there are still many instances where excellent sequences of transitional fossils exist. Some notable examples are the transitions from reptile to mammal, from land animal to early whale, and from early ape to human. For many more examples, see the transitional fossils FAQ in the talk.origins archive, and see http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/talk_origins.html for sample images for some invertebrate groups.
The misconception about the lack of transitional fossils is perpetuated in part by a common way of thinking about categories. When people think about a category like "dog" or "ant," they often subconsciously believe that there is a well-defined boundary around the category, or that there is some eternal ideal form (for philosophers, the Platonic idea) which defines the category. This kind of thinking leads people to declare that Archaeopteryx is "100% bird," when it is clearly a mix of bird and reptile features (with more reptile than bird features, in fact). In truth, categories are man-made and artificial. Nature is not constrained to follow them, and it doesn't.
Some Creationists claim that the hypothesis of punctuated equilibrium was proposed (by Eldredge and Gould) to explain gaps in the fossil record. Actually, it was proposed to explain the relative rarity of transitional forms, not their total absence, and to explain why speciation appears to happen relatively quickly in some cases, gradually in others, and not at all during some periods for some species. In no way does it deny that transitional sequences exist. In fact, both Gould and Eldredge are outspoken opponents of Creationism.

"But paleontologists have discovered several superb examples of intermediary forms and sequences, more than enough to convince any fair-minded skeptic about the reality of life's physical genealogy." - Stephen Jay Gould, Natural History, May 1994

Dear misled evilutionist,

transitional fossils are a satanic lie. The Bible offers insufficient timespans for creatures to evolve into other creatures, which means that transitional fossils can't possibly exist. The currently accepted consensus among True Scientists™ is that so-called "transitional fossils" are either:

1. Hoaxes by evilutionists to falsely prove their retarded religion
2. Hoaxes by Satan to make us doubt the infallible Bible
3. Hoaxes by God to filter out the people with a weak faith, so that only those with strong faith go to heaven.

Read the work of brother Jeb Thurmond for more information about the evilutionist conspiracy.

Have a good day

PS: REPENT!!!

[NCOH]

Originally Posted by True Disciple

The Bible offers insufficient timespans for creatures to evolve into other creatures, which means that transitional fossils can't possibly exist. T

Meaning that humans existed along side dinosaurs.

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

Originally Posted xX NCOH Xxb Meaning that humans existed along side dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs still exist along side humans. Duhhhhhhhh ....
Japs been training them for years.




Rev Jeffrey Lebowski
Sister Verna Too {she is looking for a new pet}

[NCOH]

Any factual proof from a credible source?

[Rev Jeffrey Lebowski]

So I take it ya never been to Japan?
OK, here's a great source of "factual proof" and a "credible source".
Next time you will have to do your own homework.
http://www.dinosaur.pref.fukui.jp/



Rev Jeffrey Lebowski
Sister Verna Too { she wants a new Honda}

[Nobar King]

This thread has reached an important milestone and I thought I'd post here just to get the view count along to a more respectable number:

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by xX NCOH Xx

Any factual proof from a credible source?

Only unsaved scum ask for "factual proof" and "credible sources". Where's your FAITH?!

[Aristotle]

Originally Posted by NCOH

Meaning that humans existed along side dinosaurs.

READ YOUR BIBLE! It describes dinosaurs and men. The list of animals in the Bible include three types not found today. These three are tanniyn, behemoth, and leviathan. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally mistranslated “dragon.” It should be translated as dinosaur. And yes, according to the Bible, men and tanniyn existed side-by-side.

[godgunsguts]

Originally Posted by True Disciple

I have another question for evolutionists: as descendants of Adam and Eve, we all carry the burden of the original sin. This is part of who we are. However, according to godless atheists, a person is just an expression of his DNA. If that were true, why has no scientist ever found the DNA sequence that codes for the burden of original sin? This proves that so-called DNA is a secular hoax played upon impressionable Christian children by hellbound liberal baby-killing evilutionists.

It is a Temple of Darwin hoax. DNA is what God put in place to prevent evolution, and it has worked perfectly!

No evolution has ever occurred; God’s creation has carried through satan’s storm. Yes, the fallen angels did corrupt it, but the Genesis judgement killed off all their progeny.

[rephaim]

Come now guys? You can all drop the gag.

You're not all really serious?

Be Honest, now. I stumbled onto a group of atheist satirists poking fun at the christian faith and their silly beliefs?

I laughed so hard at the bit on the "evils of gravity"

and the one about "Atheists worshiping monkeys" LoL!

Now, this bit on evolution. What a riot!
I almost expected you to mention the Kirk Cameron "crocoduck"

LoL

Where are the transitional proofs? Every person alive today is a transitional proof.

I mean... no-one could really be this imbecilic or naive. Right?

Right?

You guys are all joking? right?

>gulp<

[rephaim]

Are these guys serious about the evils of evolution?

I haven't stumbled onto a group of atheists doing true religion?

People can't be this dumb in a supposedly civilized country.

Also, since when does creationist and science go in the same sentence?

How do stupid people survive the evolution process?
I guess the ones with brains tolerate their stupid beliefs and keep them around. Pretty sure that no-one in this "cult" have any significant contribution to science and perform "drone" duties. Soldiers, paper-shufflers, non-thinking positions. You know the type : "You want fries with that?"

[eliot mayfield]

Originally Posted by rephaim

Come now guys? You can all drop the gag.

You're not all really serious?

Be Honest, now. I stumbled onto a group of atheist satirists poking fun at the christian faith and their silly beliefs?

I laughed so hard at the bit on the "evils of gravity"

and the one about "Atheists worshiping monkeys" LoL!

Now, this bit on evolution. What a riot!
I almost expected you to mention the Kirk Cameron "crocoduck"

LoL

Where are the transitional proofs? Every person alive today is a transitional proof.

I mean... no-one could really be this imbecilic or naive. Right?

Right?

You guys are all joking? right?

>gulp<

There is nothing funny about Hell. What's so funny about Christians who believe in the Bible? There are millions of us, and we run the world's greatest country and only super power. You think that's funny?
I have passed your personal info along to the D.O.F.

[rephaim]

Originally Posted by Virginia D. Templeton

Oooh, this is fun!

• If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys and why aren't they transforming into humans?

Um, because the monkeys that are around right now are monkeys and evolving into better/worse monkeys. Can't you get it? Just because we evolved from a species of chimp does not mean that it is still around. And no, not every creature that dies leaves a fossil - deal with it. Very specific, rare conditions are required. Most just decompose into unrecognizable mass.

• What was the "evolutionary advantage" of Adam's extra rib?

Don't tell me you still believe in the medieval fable that man has more ribs than women. Newsflash - They're the same.

• How does evolution explain angels, miracles, demon possession, etc.?

Um, actually, miracles are pretty much 50/50. Angels? Mental hallucinations. Demons - neurological disorders? They've done studies where 1/2 the study group were prayed for and the other half were not.
As it turns out the results were 50/50 - in fact in the particular study done, the non-prayed for group just happened to heal better - luck, that's all...

No valid "miracle" or documented (by respected researchers) "miracle cure" exists in our modern society - studies were done. None exist. You may google it.

Here's a question for you... if your "god" is "all powerful", why in these "supposed" exorcisms do they have to invoke the name of god hundreds of times? Doesn't the "demon" hear it the first time? Is you "god" not all-powerful that the demon should be expelled immediately?

Here's my theory - there are many, many things about the human mind we do not understand. The "exorcism" may be a form of mass hypnosis (chanting over and over) and power of suggestion that cures a deep psychological disorder. Same as when people in huge crowds get "swept away" by the rhythm of the whole crowd. Proof of this? Football Hooligans - whole crowd goes wild. The "crowd" takes on power of one entity.

Want to see how powerful the human mind is - go watch a hypnotists show. Mass Hysteria and power of suggestion and euphoria will all make perfect sense to you.

• Do you believe that Jesus was more primitive and less "fit" than today's slugs and worms, since He was on Earth at an earlier time than they were?

I do not understand this question. If he existed, then he was human? Why you comparing him to a slug? Different species. Noticeable evolution changes takes a lot longer than a few thousand years. You seem to be under the impression that evolution works like this. "I'm a slug, BUT I want to be human... NOW!" It shows great ignorance.

• If all life evolved out of rocks and lightning, what did the rocks and lightning evolve from?

We are not 100% sure how life evolved. We are humble enough to accept "we do not know" everything (and neither do you) and certainly not naive enough to put all our faith in a 1500~2000 year old book written by people who thought the world was flat.

To quote Carl Sagan... "If we say that god created the universe, then we have to ask where god came from. If we then state that god always existed, then is it not simpler to just say that the universe always existed and leave out the superstitions?"

• Scientific "laws" regarding thermodynamics and entropy say that things go from ordered to disordered. How do you explain evolution in light of this?

I love the way faith-base people fall back on science in an attempt to explain their illogical faith and then call scientists evil.

And, there are theories as to why there is order forming - you obviously found and article and "cut and pasted"

Here is something for you to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy...nd_disorder%29

• Where are those transitional forms???

Have you bothered visiting any museum? have you bothered simply googling it? I guess not. There are vast number of transitional fossils.

Read My comments

[rephaim]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

None of that's in the Bible boy. That whole "DNA" nonsense is just crap pulled directly out of some joo scientists' behind.

I'll take Jesus anytime.

The same evil scientist that has pulled you out of the desert and allows you to use a computer to spew your ignorant verbal diarrhea ?

You're not surely ignorant and naive enough to suggest that DNA is not valid?


(ignorant is "not knowing", and there is nothing wrong with that. Stupid, on the other hand, is being ignorant, but saying "you know".)

[True Disciple]

Originally Posted by rephaim

Originally Posted by Virginia D. Templeton
Oooh, this is fun!

• If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys and why aren't they transforming into humans?

Um, because the monkeys that are around right now are monkeys and evolving into better/worse monkeys. Can't you get it? Just because we evolved from a species of chimp does not mean that it is still around. And no, not every creature that dies leaves a fossil - deal with it. Very specific, rare conditions are required. Most just decompose into unrecognizable mass.

Come on, my friend, look around you. What is the most common "large mammal" around? It's humans. Add to that fact that we humans have the intelligence to change the world as we like, and go to heaven when we die, it is clear that we are in a perferred position. If evolution were true, monkeys therefore would change into humans, as would all other creatures, because it's way nicer to be a human. They don't change into humans because evolution is a secular hoax.

• What was the "evolutionary advantage" of Adam's extra rib?

Don't tell me you still believe in the medieval fable that man has more ribs than women. Newsflash - They're the same.

Don't believe doctors and medical researchers. These are the people that participate in the Abortion Holocaust. They fed you lies about men not having one fewer rib than women.

• How does evolution explain angels, miracles, demon possession, etc.?

Um, actually, miracles are pretty much 50/50. Angels? Mental hallucinations. Demons - neurological disorders? They've done studies where 1/2 the study group were prayed for and the other half were not.
As it turns out the results were 50/50 - in fact in the particular study done, the non-prayed for group just happened to heal better - luck, that's all...

God only answers prayers by True Christians™. If the praying test group consisted of people with another religion, then of course it wouldn't have worked. Neurological disorders are based upon speculation about the workings of the brain, while in fact scientists know very few of it. In fact, the bible teaches us that the mind resides in the heart, where also demons of possessed people dwell. The brains are probably a device for cooling the blood.

No valid "miracle" or documented (by respected researchers) "miracle cure" exists in our modern society - studies were done. None exist. You may google it.

Those "respected researchers" you speak about are in reality bigoted, liberal atheists, of whom no balanced judgment can be expected. The only True Science™ book, however, documents numerous miracles.

Here's a question for you... if your "god" is "all powerful", why in these "supposed" exorcisms do they have to invoke the name of god hundreds of times? Doesn't the "demon" hear it the first time? Is you "god" not all-powerful that the demon should be expelled immediately?

Demons need to expelled one by one, as they need to leave the body by the aorta, which only provides space for about three medium-sized demons at a time. Demons multiply like rabbits once they have infested one human's heart, so many thousands of demons can be present in one human at a time.

Here's my theory - there are many, many things about the human mind we do not understand. The "exorcism" may be a form of mass hypnosis (chanting over and over) and power of suggestion that cures a deep psychological disorder. Same as when people in huge crowds get "swept away" by the rhythm of the whole crowd. Proof of this? Football Hooligans - whole crowd goes wild. The "crowd" takes on power of one entity.

Want to see how powerful the human mind is - go watch a hypnotists show. Mass Hysteria and power of suggestion and euphoria will all make perfect sense to you.

Football hooligans are fags. Therefore they can't possibly be compared with normal humans. And it is very logical that an entire crowd goes ecstatic when God enters their heart. It's the most important event in one's life, let them celebrate it!

• Do you believe that Jesus was more primitive and less "fit" than today's slugs and worms, since He was on Earth at an earlier time than they were?

I do not understand this question. If he existed, then he was human? Why you comparing him to a slug? Different species. Noticeable evolution changes takes a lot longer than a few thousand years. You seem to be under the impression that evolution works like this. "I'm a slug, BUT I want to be human... NOW!" It shows great ignorance.

Evolution teaches that the purpose of life is to have sex and make babies, and to kill all other people. It also teaches that surviving creatures are better than non-surviving creatures, which would imply that a slug is fitter than Jesus. If you'd rather worship slugs, please do it somewhere else, but I consider it blasphemy.

• If all life evolved out of rocks and lightning, what did the rocks and lightning evolve from?

We are not 100% sure how life evolved. We are humble enough to accept "we do not know" everything (and neither do you) and certainly not naive enough to put all our faith in a 1500~2000 year old book written by people who thought the world was flat.

The Bible is written by God. As the creator of the heaven and the earth, I would think he knows how life originated, and whether or not the earth is flat (it is). God is omniscient, and therefore knows more than science ever will.

To quote Carl Sagan... "If we say that god created the universe, then we have to ask where god came from. If we then state that god always existed, then is it not simpler to just say that the universe always existed and leave out the superstitions?"

• Scientific "laws" regarding thermodynamics and entropy say that things go from ordered to disordered. How do you explain evolution in light of this?

I love the way faith-base people fall back on science in an attempt to explain their illogical faith and then call scientists evil.

And, there are theories as to why there is order forming - you obviously found and article and "cut and pasted"

Here is something for you to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy...nd_disorder%29

The earth is a cesspool of sin, and we only see everything falling apart around us (biodiversity, pollution, morals etc.). To say that anything is becoming more ordered and perfected right now is beyond ridiculous.

• Where are those transitional forms???

Have you bothered visiting any museum? have you bothered simply googling it? I guess not. There are vast number of transitional fossils.

There are numerous Creation-Scientific explanations for fossils.

Read my comments.

One final note: we only follow the bible, word-for-word, letter-for-letter. Our particular beliefs are just the logical consequences of that. They are based on the bible. Of course, Satan, who wants that people go to hell, tries everything to ridiculize the bible, most of the tme by making up "facts" to deceive us intop thinking the bible is wrong, and supporting an institution called "science," a blasphemic institution which is the direct result of Eve eating the Forbidden Fruit. Another method of Satan is to depict True Christians™ as raving lunatics, or even as not being serious at all (while I must agree with Brother Mayfield: hell is NOT a laughing matter). One of Satan's tools is the liberal conspiracy called Wikipedia, which makes fun of our Godly Church. Read more about the liberal bias of Wikipedia.

[Nobar King]

This is too confusing. I stopped reading your posts. Did you know that vBulletin has a convenient quote function? This is how you use it:

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Originally Posted by rephaim

Are these guys serious about the evils of evolution?

Of course. It has so many flaws and is inconsistent with itself and with its proponents mud-slinging, it's impossible to make any sense of it. Not to mention it being heresy and unsupported by scripture.

I haven't stumbled onto a group of atheists doing true religion?

'Doing' religion? Meaning?

People can't be dumb in a supposedly civilized country.

Democrats prove that assumption wrong.

How do stupid people survive the evolution process?
I guess the ones with brains tolerate their stupid beliefs and keep them around. Pretty sure that no-one in this "cult" have any significant contribution to science and perform "drone" duties. Soldiers, paper-shufflers, non-thinking positions. You know the type : "You want fries with that?"

Incoherent. Sorry. I'd advise you to start reading more of the right writing (KJV 1611) as I have started to do as well recently. Learn some humility - as I am striving to do too brother gentile.

[Dan Brown]

You people have such a warped sense of evolution, its laughable.

Firstly, to the bloke who keeps posting that 'if we evolved from monkeys, why are there stil monkeys?'.....

We didn't evolve from monkeys but a common ancestor....sigh, it's really not that complicated.

So now for some questions that Christians refuse to answer:

1. Why did god need a day of rest if he is all powerful? Surely he requires no rest?

2. Why did it take god 6 days to make the universe, if he's all powerful why not do it in one?

3. What part of the bible mentions the Dinosaurs?

4. The bible claims the earth is flat. It isn't. The bible claims the sun orbits the earth. It doesn't.......

5. Virgin Birth? Explain? Sounds ludicrous to me - no bible quotes please.

6. Before the life of Jesus, what religion should people have been - Jew, Pagan, etc? Or are these people excused by god because Jesus hadn't saved them?

7. The creation story claims that god separted light and darkness before he made the sun, light comes from the sun doesn't it, so where was this light comign from?