[mohammed_1]

i think its funny that you talk to ME about blurting out generic statements when you seem to be pretty good at it.

i welcome hell, i hear its warm there, i hate the cold and the high alltitude of heaven wouldnt suit my lungs at all

[Logan]

Originally Posted by mohammed_1

i think its funny that you talk to ME about blurting out generic statements when you seem to be pretty good at it.

i welcome hell, i hear its warm there, i hate the cold and the high alltitude of heaven wouldnt suit my lungs at all

I'm sure fire will feel much better in those lungs of yours, and am I to assume you'd enjoy the sodomy satan would show you?

[mohammed_1]

sure why not, i like to be open minded

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by mohammed_1

sure why not, i like to be open minded

Some people are so open minded their brain falls out.

[fRimBo]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Nahum 1:3 "The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.""

so thats why all those hurricanes are in America ?

[Levi Jones]

Originally Posted by fRimBo

so thats why all those hurricanes are in America ?

No one ever claimed God doesn't punish the U.S. for homosexuality and abortion, but we're still doing better than the rest. Why else would He bless us with a GDP that is larger than China and Japan combined?

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by fRimBo

so thats why all those hurricanes are in America ?

Of course hurricanes hit dens of sin and inequity like New Orleans, and earthquakes kill the sodomites in California, but when do you think the last natural disaster to strike the Godly people of Freehold, Iowa was?

(Hint: never)

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Brother Enoch

Of course hurricanes hit dens of sin and inequity like New Orleans, and earthquakes kill the sodomites in California, but when do you think the last natural disaster to strike the Godly people of Freehold, Iowa was?

(Hint: never)

The worst we've had was a little dirt devil that seemed to torment the bums, I'd say that's a good hint the Yukon is doing very well with God.

[Freeks-Angel]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

When the New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs started filtering the Internet in 2007 they told no one about that. Only when they were forced to admit to it, in 2009, they reluctantly told everyone what they had been doing already for several years. So I am curious why you think they are now suddenly telling the whole truth when they claim they only filter just a few things.

That could also explain it, but I think New Zealand internet censoring is a more plausible explanation.

Well some of us are unsure on how parliment works. I have no clue why they only brang up the issue now if it has been going on for a few years. I have only seen some filtering happening since january.

it could. well maybe the American internet supervisor (what do you people call it) maybe eases what goes on the internet because thats why you might have found that image and we didnt.

[DevoutBob]

With all due respect to those of you who do not know New Zealand as much as the citizens & residents, I have read through these very entertaining 9 pages, eagerly waiting to reply.
Firstly I'd like to say, Mr. Cranky, that I'm glad your condemnation of New Zealand has compelled you to do some research of our humble country; I'm aware that from the United States, New Zealand is a country shrouded in mystery, as a sparse few Americans know more than nothing about New Zealand.

1,

New Zealand has the highest amount of sheep rape cases in the entire world. And this is not just per capita! Leviticus 18:23 "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

I'm aware that there has already been discussion of this point, however for the record, sex acts with sheep is extremely rare in New Zealand. I do not doubt that sheep rape exists in New Zealand, however no country with sheep can say that there are no cases of sheep rape within thier counry.
I'd like to also add that... although I do not have the accurate recent statistical evidence that New Zealand doesn't have the highest amount of sheep rape, I doubt that you, Mr. Cranky, would have any accurate recent statistical evidence either to support your claim of New Zealand having the highest amount of sheep rape. (please excuse my repitition of sentances, I wish to communicate my point without the possibility of it being lost or misunderstood)

I have seen the term "sheep shagger" used here, I'd like to say in support of the response from Freeks-Angel: "it is a joke they created". There has always been contempt between groups of individuals from Australia and New Zealand, and thus insults were created. I'd like to refer to you some evidence outlining the situation: http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/newzealand.html Under the 'Jokes' subheading:
'Australians joked about New Zealanders, they would have some kind of lewd twist on the New Zealander's affection for sheep or refer to them as South Pacific Poms (English).'

[DevoutBob]

More or less civilized people arrived in New Zealand by canoe in about AD 1250–1300. This canoe is still the most advanced form of transportation New Zealand has.

Excuse me, Mr.Cranky, but how does this even remotely proove that God "hates" New Zealand? Or possibly I have missed the point entirely, and if that is the case then I solemnly apologise for falsly questioning you.

To be honest, I was slightly offended by this statement. I had the impression that you honestly thought that New Zealand such a primitive country, as to still hold a canoe from the "1250-1300" era as the most "advanced from of transportation". however, I assure you that whatever offence I have taken,I will still hold strongly to reason.

Continueing on and ignoring the possibility that God "Hates" countries with primitive seafaring structures, I will attempt to correct this statement, and prove that that very same canoe is not the most advanced form of transportation New Zealand has. Today, the biggest city in New Zealand (Auckland ) is known as the 'City of Sails' due to the large number of sailboats and small water vessels.

Now, let's just think for a moment.. choose any ONE of those water vessels in Auckland.. and compare how "advanced" it is to the ancient "canoe" that the Maori people rode whilst discovering New Zealand in the year "1250-1300". Reason has me to believe... that it will be the modern water vessel that is more "advanced".
That ancient "canoe" may have been massive, and it may have had much more effort put into it by the Maori people, however it will never be more "advanced" than it's opponent from 710-760 years into the future.

I believe a link was given by Bryan Tamariki( http://www.navy.mil.nz/visit-the-fleet/cant/default.htm) Which describes the first of seven naval ships recently constructed for the Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN). Undoubtedly, this ship is more "advanced" than that ancient "canoe".

[DevoutBob]

Many people in New Zealand die because they ignore the Holy Bible and mistakenly think Earth is a globe. Then they fall off the edge. New Zealand is in denial about this and claims a lot of people drown in the Waikato River to explain these "mysterious" deaths. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

I come to this site with an open mind so I may learn your teachings, so I'm not going to say that the world is a globe, however I don't see how your link to the New Zealand Herald supports your claim that New Zealand denies this by covering it up by Waikato River deaths.
Your article clearly explains a death in the "Waikato River", but where is the evidence that this article is a genuine coverup of a death caused by falling off the edge?.

Waikato river is in the North island, it connects to the west coast and runs along to the center of the island. If the Earth ends on the "East of New Zealand", it would be much more suited to use a river connecting to the east side of the island? However, this is not the point.

I do not say this in denial, but in evidence; in all the years I have lived in New Zealand, I have not seen the edge of the earth, I have not heard of the edge of the earth, I have not heard of deaths due to the edge of the earth. In New Zealand they do not detain us to certain areas, we are allowed to travel along and outward of New Zealand's East Coast, just for the record.

[DevoutBob]

New Zealand claims to be a peaceful nation but in reality no one ever cared enough to invade it and no one there owns enough to make any form of crime profitable. And there is nothing peaceful about the way in which the Māori are mistreated. Many Māori are in jail for crimes that don't even exist in New Zealand and ancient Māori rock-art is often damaged or destroyed. The government has provided over NZ$900 million (about 7 American Dollars) in settlements in an attempt to undo some of the severe damage done to the Māori.

Excuse me Mr.Cranky, I do this not purely to rebuke you or prove you wrong, but to show you your points need revision to show that God "hates" New Zealand. could you please elaborate on the "many maori" that are in jail for crimes that don't even exist?

In regards to NZD$900million, it actually converts to USD$644040433.90, (644million) thanks to Coinmill.com or any currency converter, not USD$7 as you mentioned.

When British explorer James Cook started trading in 1769 the people of New Zealand mostly paid for the goods with sex. For those in denial about this: King (2003) pg 122.

Again, I'm evaluating your points not to cause a stir, but so that you may hopefully correct them to provide valid points as to why God hates New Zealand

"Mostly paid for the goods with sex", this gives quite a different impression to your Fellow Brothers and Sisters and Readers than what is actually on the evidence you have referenced. " They traded European food and goods, especially metal tools and weapons, for Māori timber, food, artefacts and water. On occasion, Europeans traded goods for sex."

"Mostly" and "On occasion" are very different.
I hope that was an honest mistake, Mr. Cranky. However, the light shed here only confirms that European goods were purchased Occasionaly with Maori sex.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by DevoutBob

I do not doubt that sheep rape exists in New Zealand

You are the first visitor from New Zealand who openly admits this and I applaud you for that! Most people from New Zealand are in complete denial about this.

although I do not have the accurate recent statistical evidence that New Zealand doesn't have the highest amount of sheep rape, I doubt

You are contradicting yourself here. You say you have no facts and yet you reach a conclusion.

I have seen the term "sheep shagger" used here, I'd like to say in support of the response from Freeks-Angel: "it is a joke they created".

I am aware most people in New Zealand are in denial about sheep rape. You are one of the few people from New Zealand who actually admits it exists. However since it is not possible to deny that a lot of people call you "sheep shaggers" the only way to stay in denial is to claim "it is a joke".

There has always been contempt between groups of individuals from Australia and New Zealand

But of course! The people of Australia are disgusted by you raping sheep, so they call you out on that!

Originally Posted by DevoutBob

I come to this site with an open mind so I may learn your teachings, so I'm not going to say that the world is a globe, however I don't see how your link to the New Zealand Herald supports your claim that New Zealand denies this by covering it up by Waikato River deaths. Your article clearly explains a death in the "Waikato River", but where is the evidence that this article is a genuine coverup of a death caused by falling off the edge?.

In the Holy Bible: Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1, Job 38:13, Jeremiah 16:19, Daniel 4:11.

I have not heard of the edge of the earth, I have not heard of deaths due to the edge of the earth. In New Zealand they do not detain us to certain areas, we are allowed to travel along and outward of New Zealand's East Coast, just for the record.

And this is exactly the problem. New Zealand is in denial of this, people die because of this and the Waikato River gets the blame.

[DevoutBob]

You are contradicting yourself here. You say you have no facts and yet you reach a conclusion.

if you were to continue reading on.

although I do not have the accurate recent statistical evidence that New Zealand doesn't have the highest amount of sheep rape,I doubt that you, Mr. Cranky, would have any accurate recent statistical evidence either to support your claim of New Zealand having the highest amount of sheep rape.

I am aware most people in New Zealand are in denial about sheep rape. You are one of the few people from New Zealand who actually admits it exists. However since it is not possible to deny that a lot of people call you "sheep shaggers" the only way to stay in denial is to claim "it is a joke".

The history behind it is in the link provided. Of course, you could dismiss it without a care, but that raises interest in your determination to believe hearsay.

But of course! The people of Australia are disgusted by you raping sheep, so they call you out on that!

Mr. Cranky, would you know this as a fact?

And this is exactly the problem. New Zealand is in denial of this, people die because of this and the Waikato River gets the blame.

Do you have evidence of where exactly the World ends?, for all we may know, the "eastern border" could be far off the coast.

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by DevoutBob

Excuse me Mr.Cranky, I do this not purely to rebuke you or prove you wrong, but to show you your points need revision to show that God "hates" New Zealand. could you please elaborate on the "many maori" that are in jail for crimes that don't even exist?

Tell me, Bob, is it or is it not true that the Maori represent a scant 14% of your population yet make up 50% of your prison population?

How could this be if your society was not deliberately persecuting and prosecuting them for made up crimes? Are you trying to say the Maori are natural born criminals?

I had no idea of the levels of racism that exist on your poxy islands.

I finally understand what Australian Prime Minister John Howard meant a few years ago when he said "Australians moving to New Zealand is a good thing. It increases the average IQ of both nations."

[DevoutBob]

Tell me, Bob, is it or is it not true that the Maori represent a scant 14% of your population yet make up 50% of your prison population?

I do not know the specific percentage of both cases, Brother Enoch, so I cannot say if it is true. However I do know that the more recent generations of Maori exhibit an increased jail rate compared to other ethnicities

How could this be if your society was not deliberately persecuting and prosecuting them for made up crimes? Are you trying to say the Maori are natural born criminals?

I am not saying that the "Maori are natural born criminals". You ask me how is it possible for such a high jail rate among Maori without being prosecuted and persecuted with bias. I respond with saying that the Maori people that are persecuted and prosecuted actually do the crimes. Of course, it would be ignorant to say that any justice system in any country is 'Perfect', Nz and US included, so it would be wise to assume Not everybody is judged according to the situation, this applies to all races of all Justice systems.

I had no idea of the levels of racism that exist on your poxy islands.

I have lived on that "poxy" island for 16 years, and I say that this Island has racism at minimal levels, what I do not understand is how you would reach the conclusion of racism so easily without witnessing the situation for yourself.

I finally understand what Australian Prime Minister John Howard meant a few years ago when he said "Australians moving to New Zealand is a good thing. It increases the average IQ of both nations."

I believe you have made an honest mistake. It was Robert MuldoonThat said “New Zealanders who emigrate to Australia raise the IQ of both countries.”

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by DevoutBob

I do not know the specific percentage of both cases, Brother Enoch, so I cannot say if it is true. However I do know that the more recent generations of Maori exhibit an increased jail rate compared to other ethnicities

Why?

I am not saying that the "Maori are natural born criminals". You ask me how is it possible for such a high jail rate among Maori without being prosecuted and persecuted with bias. I respond with saying that the Maori people that are persecuted and prosecuted actually do the crimes.

Why?

Of course, it would be ignorant to say that any justice system in any country is 'Perfect', Nz and US included, so it would be wise to assume Not everybody is judged according to the situation, this applies to all races of all Justice systems.

All races? Seems if you're Maori you are 8 times as likely to be imprisoned.

I have lived on that "poxy" island for 16 years, and I say that this Island has racism at minimal levels, what I do not understand is how you would reach the conclusion of racism so easily without witnessing the situation for yourself.

The numbers speak for themselves. 8 times as many Maori are imprisoned (per capita) as those of european descent. That means either your justice system unfairly penalizes them, or your society creates societal conditions that impoverish that segment of your society, based only on ethnicity, thus leading to crime. Right?

I mean, it has to be one of those two unless you really are saying Maori are natural born criminals, and naught is to be done. Other than to lock them up. Are you saying that?

I believe you have made an honest mistake. It was Robert MuldoonThat said

“New Zealanders who emigrate to Australia raise the IQ of both countries.”

Yet another example of the New Zealand government's internet censorship and rearrangement of the facts. A kiwi would never be clever enough to say something like that.

[DevoutBob]

Yet another example of the New Zealand government's internet censorship and rearrangement of the facts. A kiwi would never be clever enough to say something like that.

Fortunately for me, your reliance on sly mocks only make you look silly.

You ask why?
I say that whatever I write will not reside in your mind, so what else can I do to enlighten you than ask you to do more research on the matter yourself.

I understand you already have some figuires concerning the Maori people and Jail, but coming up with two conclusions based on that much alone is silly. I urge you (if you have the will) to search these answers yourself if you disregard when I say that Almost all convicted Maori actually do the crime, and that there are no ''made-up'' crimes in New Zealand.

Disregard it if you will and claim that I am in denial simply because it conflicts with what you have pre-determined, but then I urge you to gather some facts with your internet, because you are convinced that New Zealand internet is "censord" when it comes to racism and various other topics that conflict with your vision of New Zealand.

You give me two options: "either your justice system unfairly penalizes them, or your society creates societal conditions that impoverish that segment of your society, based only on ethnicity, thus leading to crime."
Neither, I believe that the way things are now concerning Maori people and Jailtime is a result of generations of childhoods that are influenced to a varying degree by violence, alcahol, crime.
I am not saying that all Maori children were brought up with destructive childhoods, but the amount that correlates to your data. I believe that fault cannot be placed on any group for this outcome.
But this is all personal opinion based on living proudly among Maori families.

[Brother Enoch]

Originally Posted by DevoutBob

You give me two options: "either your justice system unfairly penalizes them, or your society creates societal conditions that impoverish that segment of your society, based only on ethnicity, thus leading to crime."
Neither, I believe that the way things are now concerning Maori people and Jailtime is a result of generations of childhoods that are influenced to a varying degree by violence, alcahol, crime.
I am not saying that all Maori children were brought up with destructive childhoods, but the amount that correlates to your data.

So you're saying it's neither option I gave you, then you go on to say it's the second?

Did you ride the short bus to school?