[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Good stuff...
Of interest in this passage is the switching between plural and singular.

God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him

Male singular. We can argue that "man" includes both male and female, but what follows is the singular male pronoun. We can safely assume that God created only the male version of human in His own image, especially when we look at the rest of the verse:

male and female created he them.

Only now we see a plural pronoun, and it's in the sentence which only references the act of creation and not the fact of being an image of God.

We might wait for Dr. White to weigh in with his linguistic knowledge about the Hebrew original (Paging Dr. White... Paging Dr. White!) (I always wanted to say this), but in the meantime, it's safe to assume that only males are God's image. Which is kinda logical given that God is male, not female. Duh.
---more Good Stuff...

Sister Basilissa, sorry for the delayed reply but I was praying. However, Jesus caused a slight irritation that I felt on my knees that informed me that I was needed to guide a sinner to the Light that is Jesus (John 1:4).

OK, let us discuss Genesis 1:27, from the Leningrad Codex:
וַיִּבְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים ׀ אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמֹ֔ו בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹתֹ֑ו זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם׃

You can see in red and blue bold typeface the words in question.

1. ’ō-ṯōw; or אֹתֹ֑ו as the Masoretics wrote it. It contains the את stem that is the preposition or particle for accusative (object). Unlike English but similar to some other obscure languages, such as Welsh*), the Hebrew particles can conjugate. In addition to conjugating for person (1. person plural, 2. person singular, etc.), they also conjugate for sex (masculine/feminine) in the second and third persons. This helps us to distinguish if God meant men or women in the verse above.

2. אֹתֹ֑ו is singular (definitely) and אֹתָֽם (’ō-ṯām) is definitely plural. Now, for the convenience of our ignorant guest, let us look at the whole conjugation (I don't include the vocalizations as the consonants differ enough for you to see that the different genders indeed have different endings) of this preposition:

me אותי
you אותך
you אותך
him אותו
her אותה
us אותנו
you אתכם
you אתכן
them אותם
them אותם

Indeed, we can see that the first occurrence is masculine. The image - him, not her.

This is just another example of cognitive dissonance. Our new friend is probably in denial, reacts to seeing the powerful Words of God that tell us about the Way (John 14:6) how things should be by simple disregard, and desperately seeks to maintain her status quo by referring only to verses she likes. Let us look at a beautiful verse as follows:

1 Corinthians 11:9
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Clear cross-referencing to Genesis 2 and by that way to Genesis 1 (as Genesis 2 supplements Genesis 1). Now it is time Ms. Helper assessed this verse. Do the verses that in her opinion indirectly oppose this verse refute it completely? If they do, how does she choose the verses she obeys? The passages she quoted are obscure when taken out of context, but the verse above is clear. Women were Created for men. It establishes a hierarchy. If we didn't have the Bible, we would have no choice but to accept women as electricians and airline captains if and when they had the talent and capability to work in those professions. We would be obliged to distribute tasks based on qualifications, education and performance, and it would seem the right thing to do. But as we do have the Bible, we know better. Let us not let the apparent brilliance of a female scholar deceive us. God does not want them performing such tasks. They demean women, whose purpose is to generate new soldiers for Christ!

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

This is a question of Salvation. Childbearing is the women's key to the Gates of Heaven. Why would our new friend want to take that away from the more feeble sex?




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

* Similarly, the Welsh preposition conjugates, for example, the proposition "at" (which, inexplicably, means"to" or "toward" in American)
ataf i
atat ti
ato e / ati hi (Yes, genders conjugate, even the Welsh know it!)
aton ni
atoch chi
atyn nhw

[Helper]

I have tried many times to reply to your posts.I had long written out posts, full of scripture and lingistical annalysis.
But once I post, if I come back later I find it's either completely gone, or random nonsense(it became <br><br><br> for every word in one of the attempts.)


I give up trying to write it again.
Everything I say related to the debate disappears or changes. I don't know why.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Helper

I have tried many times to reply to your posts.I had long written out posts, full of scripture and lingistical annalysis.
But once I post, if I come back later I find it's either completely gone, or random nonsense(it became <br><br><br> for every word in one of the attempts.)


I give up trying to write it again.
Everything I say related to the debate disappears or changes. I don't know why.

Please try again. I don't know why would your posts disappear or change into nonsense, maybe you have a demon infestation in your computer?

Protip: when writing longer posts, hit the preview button once in a while. This will allow you to preserve what you've written so far (if you are afraid it could all disappear for some strange reason, you can always copy all text and paste it over the <br> stuff if it happens again).

I'm looking forward to your reply to my post, especially the linguistic analysis. I love linguistic analysis!

[BrotherLarry]

Dearest Basilissa


I was unaware of your interest in things linguistic in nature. You may not know that I am bilinguistic, speaking perfect messican which I learned in a 5 lesson home study course just recently. I began the course after my trip to darkest Peru when it became obvious that I wasn't adept at interpreting language just by watching body language or asking the person to speak louder. I know you are saying, "But Larry, is there any more knowledge that can fit in your already overloaded brain?" I am pleased to say in messican, "See, see. There is mucho el room in mi craniumo por mass."


Since some people are offended by great thinkers, and I don't want to embarazadas you (that's messican for embarrass), I will just say keep striving to learn more linguistics. You will be a better person for it, as I am, being a young, well-built, virile and handsome certified equine gnathologist with a certificate in things veterinarial and a Ph.D. student in Creation Science as well as learning more about becoming an equine psychologist. I am also thinking of picking up a couple of classes in the cunilary arts (cooking, for the uneducated) just as a hobby to make me more attractive as a potential husband.


Yours forever if you get over that crush on a certain pastor
BrotherLarry
REV 22:12

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by BrotherLarry

Dearest Basilissa


I was unaware of your interest in things linguistic in nature. You may not know that I am bilinguistic, speaking perfect messican which I learned in a 5 lesson home study course just recently.

Let me be the first to congratulate you on this endeavor, Brother! You have such a brilliant mind! It took me years to practice my messican and some of the local dialects of ungodly South America.

I began the course after my trip to darkest Peru when it became obvious that I wasn't adept at interpreting language just by watching body language or asking the person to speak louder.

Indeed - the latter method seems to be less effective than its popularity suggests.

I don't want to embarazadas you (that's messican for embarrass),

Oh, Brother Larry! You are the funniest! Of course you wouldn't want to embarazar me, since we are not married to each other!

[BrotherLarry]

Women are so silly.


Lots of people embarrass each other every day whether they are married or not. But don't fret; I find female ignorance rather cute.


Obviously you find male ignorance attractive, also, considering your crush on Flint.


In True Christian™ love,
BrotherLarry

[AsksDumbQuestions]

it doesn't matter because anyone can be special at something and its just hope and faith what keeps us alive and on going to success but if there's no success then at least we tried.