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08-11-2022, 04:37 PM
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You are correct. The Earth is not flat. It is like a silver dollar where the mountains equate to the raised imaged of a US President, the overall thickness of the coin, the soil beneath our feet and the raised edges to retain the seas.
It the Earth were as flat as a sheet of paper, we'd have no mountains, when digging a basement, we'd open a gateway in to the fires of Hell. There would be nothing to retain our oceans.
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I didn't say it was flat as a piece of paper, I'm saying it's not flat AT ALL. ITS A GLOBE. Changing topics back to the star idea. Let's take your flat earth map and imagine 3 people at the southern most part of the map, the tips of South America (Ushuaia), South Africa, and Australia. Now. Imagine them all looking at the constellation of Crux (look it up if you need to) they are all looking to Antarctica (aka the South celestial pole)
Now answer this, would they all see the same thing at once? (Keep noting that they are looking in different directions, and not the same one)
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08-11-2022, 05:07 PM
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I didn't say it was flat as a piece of paper, I'm saying it's not flat AT ALL. ITS A GLOBE.
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Don't be silly. Do you really expect us to believe that in over ten years of discussing this topic on this thread alone, no one has noticed the earth has changed shapes? That's absurd. Once flat always flat.
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Changing topics back to the star idea. Let's take your flat earth map and imagine 3 people at the southern most part of the map, the tips of South America (Ushuaia), South Africa, and Australia. Now. Imagine them all looking at the constellation of Crux (look it up if you need to) they are all looking to Antarctica (aka the South celestial pole)
Now answer this, would they all see the same thing at once? (Keep noting that they are looking in different directions, and not the same one)
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I can stand in one corner of my kitchen making the coffee, my daughter can stand at the sink on the other end and clean the dishes while another daughter can be wiping the table down and we can all look up and see the same light fixture on the ceiling. We don't need to huddle all in the same place to see the same view.
I wonder dear, were you educated in a public school and did they focus on homosexuality instead of geography?
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-11-2022, 06:13 PM
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Don't be silly. Do you really expect us to believe that in over ten years of discussing this topic on this thread alone, no one has noticed the earth has changed shapes? That's absurd. Once flat always flat.
I can stand in one corner of my kitchen making the coffee, my daughter can stand at the sink on the other end and clean the dishes while another daughter can be wiping the table down and we can all look up and see the same light fixture on the ceiling. We don't need to huddle all in the same place to see the same view.
I wonder dear, were you educated in a public school and did they focus on homosexuality instead of geography?
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You just proved a round earth. Those three points can look to the same place on a ROUND earth, but on a flat one, if you try to look at the same object in 3 completely different directions, you would not see the same thing, but you are still looking to antarctica
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08-11-2022, 08:31 PM
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You just proved a round earth. Those three points can look to the same place on a ROUND earth, but on a flat one, if you try to look at the same object in 3 completely different directions, you would not see the same thing, but you are still looking to antarctica
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You are aware an object can be both flat and round, right?
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-11-2022, 09:50 PM
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You are aware an object can be both flat and round, right?
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If you melt something down and make it a sphere then technically yes. But in Euclidean Geometry... no.
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-11-2022, 10:03 PM
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If you melt something down and make it a sphere then technically yes. But in Euclidean Geometry... no.
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Is Euclid anyone mentioned in the Bible? If not, then she doesn't belong on this discussion board.
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-11-2022, 10:06 PM
Iplay, if you want to convince us that the world is round, all you need to do is to produce a Bible verse that says so. But you won't find it, because the Bible tells us that the Earth is flat:
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. Daniel 4:10-11
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 4:12
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08-11-2022, 10:27 PM
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Imagine them all looking at the constellation of Crux
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That is a great constellation as it reminds us of Jesus dying for us on the cross.
Thank you for confirming Earth is flat. You won't believe the idiots claiming otherwise we sometimes get here.
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08-11-2022, 11:11 PM
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You won't believe the idiots claiming otherwise we sometimes get here.
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Yes it just boggles the mind how absolutely unbelievably stupid a person would have to be to believe the earth is a globe. Psalms 14:1 tells the Atheists are fools. Fools! That means their beliefs are foolish, dumb, stupid, nonsensical. They're straight up mentally retarded if you ever actually listen to what these people believe. I'm so thankful I'm washed in the blood of Christ.
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-11-2022, 11:30 PM
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That is a great constellation as it reminds us of Jesus dying for us on the cross.
Thank you for confirming Earth is flat. You won't believe the idiots claiming otherwise we sometimes get here.
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I'm using it as an example, I could use any circumpolar constellations, I just chose that one bc it's the brightest of them, but I can also use Centarus or Octans, but still, earth is round because those 3 people can see the same south, not different ones.
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-12-2022, 12:43 AM
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I'm using it as an example, I could use any circumpolar constellations, I just chose that one bc it's the brightest of them, but I can also use Centarus or Octans, but still, earth is round because those 3 people can see the same south, not different ones.
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WRONG! The earth is flat because the Bible says so! Woo, God is great! That'll be science zero, the Bible a million. Nice sig, fool. You'll meet all your idols down in Hell. Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Kepler, Archimedes, Plato, Hawking, Sagan, Edison, Tesla, Darwin, they're all burning in Hell for denying Christ and undermining the Bible with their blasphemous falsehoods. Circumpolar constellations, my Aunt Fanny! Jesus ALWAYS wins.
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08-12-2022, 06:27 AM
There are no "circumpolar" constellations. There are only constellations that are so far south that they're too small to see for the lands that God gave to White people, here in the North. That is why we can't see the Southern Cross or Octane (which I'm half convinced you just made up anyway). The Big Dipper is on the firmament of Heaven, which is about 400 miles away from central Iowa. Do you know the difference between 400 miles and more than 14,000 miles? You can't see anything that far away!
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08-12-2022, 06:49 AM
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I'm using it as an example, I could use any circumpolar constellations, I just chose that one bc it's the brightest of them, but I can also use Centarus or Octans, but still, earth is round because those 3 people can see the same south, not different ones.
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"Centarus" and "Octans" sound like demon names. Please do not evoke them here.
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
08-13-2022, 04:08 PM
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You are aware an object can be both flat and round, right? [EXAMPLE PROVIDED]
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If you melt something down and make it a sphere then technically yes. But in Euclidean Geometry... no.
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Perhaps you could explain how Euclidian geometry works on a globe?
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Now. Imagine them all looking at the constellation of Crux (look it up if you need to) they are all looking to Antarctica (aka the South celestial pole)
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Antarctica is not in the sky.
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01-07-2023, 05:53 PM
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Perhaps you could explain how Euclidian geometry works on a globe?
Antarctica is not in the sky.
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There are 3 different types of geometry. Hyperbolic, Euclidian, And Elliptical. But let's focus on the the last 2. Bc if I go into the first one, I fear that your brain might short circuit from how many big words I have to use. Oh, and I'll try to dumb it down for you Neanderthals.
Euclidian geometry only works on flat surfaces. (eg. A table, a floor, or a piece of paper) if you draw a line or a triangle on a flat surface, it will appear flat.
Elliptical geometry is different, it works for round/Spherical objects (eg. A ball, a bowl, or earth.) if you draw a large triangle on round surfaces, the lines will look convex, or outwards looking.
Here's a fun experiment to try, go to the beach and look at a ship going near the horizon, now, watch the ship, it should dip below the horizon, bottom to top, why? Because earth is a sphere, and hey, if it's flat, shouldn't I be able to see new York, or even france from the top of a mountain? Or are you gonna be arrogant again and bring up a personal dome, or something completely unrelated.
Onto you.
(PS. I never said anything about Antarctica being in the sky.)
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
01-07-2023, 05:59 PM
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There are 3 different types of geometry. Hyperbolic, Euclidian, And Elliptical. But let's focus on the the last 2. Bc if I go into the first one, I fear that your brain might short circuit from how many big words I have to use. Oh, and I'll try to dumb it down for you Neanderthals.
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Son, this is persecution of Christians. You're leaving out Biblical geometry, which teaches us that the value of π=3 (1 Kings 7:23). This is the problem with public schools. When Republicans homeschooling our kids, we teach them math from the Bible. I'd like to see your secular mathematics prove Jesus wrong!
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Re: If the Earth is flat... -
01-07-2023, 08:59 PM
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(PS. I never said anything about Antarctica being in the sky.)
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Yes you did.
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o) they are all looking to Antarctica (aka the South celestial pole)
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I'll just repeat that: ANTARCTICA ALSO KNOWN AS THE SOUTH CELESTIAL POLE.
Where is "the south celestial pole" supposed to be? This leads into your next point:
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now, watch the ship, it should dip below the horizon, bottom to top, why?
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That's called a mirage.
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That is a function of eyesight. Adam of course had very good eyesight but after he rejected God's plan for a life partner and opted for plan B, catastrophe ruined his condition. Now obviously that included vision, sense of smell, hearing and so on. You might as well say one could HEAR New York or Paris.
God on the other hand is perfect. God is Jesus. His eyesight was not corrupted and provides an example of a] what our vision might have been if Adam had remained faithful and b] how our regenerated nature will manifest with respect to the eyes. How did Jesus manage to see things from mountaintops? What did He see?
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him [Jesus] up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them ALL the kingdoms, notice, not just the nearby kingdoms. Europe in toto. Japan. The Americas. Tasmania. Spitzbergen. Ross Island. You name it: the lot. Are you suggesting the devil refracted light in some way to deceive Jesus? If so (I suppose) that would explain why maniacs worship crystals. Please do not worship crystals, do not do yoga and stay away from new-age cosmology. There may be a high but there's also a low – and the "low" lasts forever.
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01-07-2023, 09:53 PM
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Yes you did. I'll just repeat that: ANTARCTICA ALSO KNOWN AS THE SOUTH CELESTIAL POLE.
Where is "the south celestial pole" supposed to be? This leads into your next point:That's called a mirage.That is a function of eyesight. Adam of course had very good eyesight but after he rejected God's plan for a life partner and opted for plan B, catastrophe ruined his condition. Now obviously that included vision, sense of smell, hearing and so on. You might as well say one could HEAR New York or Paris.
God on the other hand is perfect. God is Jesus. His eyesight was not corrupted and provides an example of a] what our vision might have been if Adam had remained faithful and b] how our regenerated nature will manifest with respect to the eyes. How did Jesus manage to see things from mountaintops? What did He see? Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him [Jesus] up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them ALL the kingdoms, notice, not just the nearby kingdoms. Europe in toto. Japan. The Americas. Tasmania. Spitzbergen. Ross Island. You name it: the lot. Are you suggesting the devil refracted light in some way to deceive Jesus? If so (I suppose) that would explain why maniacs worship crystals. Please do not worship crystals, do not do yoga and stay away from new-age cosmology. There may be a high but there's also a low – and the "low" lasts forever.
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Gonna be a lot to unpack.
1. Antarctica and the South Celestial Pole are 2 different things, (they are just located together, that was just my fault for bad writing.) One is a continent (aka a giant landmass surrounded by oceans, and I know what you're gonna say, Europe and Asia are the exception.) And the other is a point in the sky, showing where the south other the sky is, Antarctica is never in the sky, it's on the earth, just like there's a North Celestial Pole up here in north America. Unlike the south, the north has a star directly lined up with the pole, in which we call it Polaris, in the south though, people use 2 constellations, Crux (the Southern Cross) and Octans (a navigation device.)
2. There has been no reports of a mirage looking like a boat. I even bet my friend 20$ that you would say that, you're that predictable. Since I'm so generous, I'll tell you how a mirage works. It works by the heating of the atmosphere, causing "ripples" or "distortions" that make it look like water. Try this, when ever you are driving a car across a long stretch of road in a hot setting, take a look at the road, you may see some puddles of water, when infact it isn't, that is a true mirage.
3. Our eyesight is not poor, infact it's one of the best in the animal kingdom. The reason why we can't see so far is called the "Horizon." Everyone can see at different lengths, depending on your height. If you're 4' you can see up to 4.5 km away. But if your 6' you can see up to 5.5 km away.
4. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Jesus is God's son, he was conceived from Mary and Joesph. Yea, I've read the Bible. Don't try to trick me. Adam was not the one at fault, the snake was. They tempted them into the apple, and Eve tempted Adam into eating it.
5. Hearing all the way to New York or France is impossible, the sounds from all the way over there become diffused and scattered by the air. Hearing has a limit.
I hope this covered everything, I'll wait a while as you just try to make up something either
A] something completely irrelevant
B] that says something in the lords name (probably why God nor Jesus has ever checked up on us again. Because you people ruin everything with your dumb ideas and conspiracy theories.)
Or C] be a little whiney baby and try to make more stuff up.
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01-07-2023, 10:27 PM
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2. There has been no reports of a mirage looking like a boat. I even bet my friend 20$ that you would say that, you're that predictable. Since I'm so generous, I'll tell you how a mirage works. It works by the heating of the atmosphere, causing "ripples" or "distortions" that make it look like water. Try this, when ever you are driving a car across a long stretch of road in a hot setting, take a look at the road, you may see some puddles of water, when infact it isn't, that is a true mirage.
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MIRAGE OF BOAT
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3. Our eyesight is not poor, infact it's one of the best in the animal kingdom.
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Eagle, squid, octopus. What happened to Adam's eyes we don't know precisely; we just know how they've finished up in the here and now. Paris is invisible from North America because of the retina, size of rod & cones in particular and other structures. Yes, sin really is that bad.
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4. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Jesus is God's son, he was conceived from Mary and Joesph. Yea, I've read the Bible. Don't try to trick me. Adam was not the one at fault, the snake was. They tempted them into the apple, and Eve tempted Adam into eating it.
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a] There was only one serpent. As to fault, that is not what The Bible teaches at all. The serpent was essentially running true-to-form. Eve† was the one in transgression.
b] Jesus does not appear in the Old Testament as you suggest, unless you're holding that Melchizedek was a pre-incarnation appearance of Christ. He was not conceived from Mary and Joseph – even in your own sentence He is God's son. Are you claiming that Jesus had two fathers? How does that work?
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5. Hearing all the way to New York or France is impossible, the sounds from all the way over there become diffused and scattered by the air. Hearing has a limit.
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Everything has a limit, except perhaps the price of French wine. Light included. It would help if you cited Scripture to support your claims about The Bible. Similar to how I cited a mirage of a boat.
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01-07-2023, 11:22 PM
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[/COLOR][/SIZE] MIRAGE OF BOAT
Eagle, squid, octopus. What happened to Adam's eyes we don't know precisely; we just know how they've finished up in the here and now. Paris is invisible from North America because of the retina, size of rod & cones in particular and other structures. Yes, sin really is that bad. a] There was only one serpent. As to fault, that is not what The Bible teaches at all. The serpent was essentially running true-to-form. Eve† was the one in transgression.
b] Jesus does not appear in the Old Testament as you suggest, unless you're holding that Melchizedek was a pre-incarnation appearance of Christ. He was not conceived from Mary and Joseph – even in your own sentence He is God's son. Are you claiming that Jesus had two fathers? How does that work?
Everything has a limit, except perhaps the price of French wine. Light included. It would help if you cited Scripture to support your claims about The Bible. Similar to how I cited a mirage of a boat.
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1. That is the mirage effect AFFECTING the boat. Not a mirage of an ACTUAL BOAT, the boat is real and can be stood on, but the atmosphere is warping the boat. That doesn't mean the boat isn't there.
2. I said it's "ONE OF THE BEST" that doesn't mean it's best of the best, I know that there are other animals that have better eyesight. I'm not a buffoon.
3. I'm not really fond of wine, there's just something about its taste that just doesn't sit right with me in my opinion.
4. I'm not gonna even talk about the Bible stuff, I know how you people get to protective of it.
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