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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-15-2010, 05:43 AM

So I think I get what most of you are saying about the pamplet. Tell young girls, (or older girls) to not dress and behave in ways that intice or tease men. Basically kind of like saying, "Be carefull, and don't do something stupid." Is that about right?

Well if that's the message, then please understand there are betterways of saying that. No matter what, rape is a cruel and horrible thing, and no one deserves it based on any reason. Saying "it's your fault you were raped," is so awful. There's no reason to say such things or thing in that way.
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So I think I get what most of you are saying about the pamplet. Tell young girls, (or older girls) to not dress and behave in ways that intice or tease men. Basically kind of like saying, "Be carefull, and don't do something stupid." Is that about right?

Well if that's the message, then please understand there are betterways of saying that. No matter what, rape is a cruel and horrible thing, and no one deserves it based on any reason. Saying "it's your fault you were raped," is so awful. There's no reason to say such things or thing in that way.
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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-15-2010, 06:01 AM

Last I checked Ezekiel, I am a Christian. Whether you like that or not, that is what I am. I've stayed here as long as I have, because it troubles me that a community of my brothers and sisters could be as nasty as you've shown yourselves. As a christian I'm saying what I say. If my opinions don't matter, because for whatever cause you'll not count be as loving and trusting God, then at least I keep my pie hole open hoping between one Christian to another, I can learn from you and if there's anything you can learn from me you can.
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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-15-2010, 04:16 PM

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So I think I get what most of you are saying about the pamplet. Tell young girls, (or older girls) to not dress and behave in ways that intice or tease men. Basically kind of like saying, "Be carefull, and don't do something stupid." Is that about right?

Well if that's the message, then please understand there are betterways of saying that. No matter what, rape is a cruel and horrible thing, and no one deserves it based on any reason. Saying "it's your fault you were raped," is so awful. There's no reason to say such things or thing in that way.
Well when you hear Liebrals say stupid stuff like "I should be able to walk down a dark alley naked and not get raped", you sort of have to come up with something just as shocking.

How much would the number of rapes go down if women thought twice about what they were wearing and what situations they put themselves into?


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So I think I get what most of you are saying about the pamplet. Tell young girls, (or older girls) to not dress and behave in ways that intice or tease men. Basically kind of like saying, "Be carefull, and don't do something stupid." Is that about right?

Well if that's the message, then please understand there are betterways of saying that. No matter what, rape is a cruel and horrible thing, and no one deserves it based on any reason. Saying "it's your fault you were raped," is so awful. There's no reason to say such things or thing in that way.
Matchbox, perhaps you're forgetting that, in spite of its inspired genius, the "Women and Girls pamphlet" was not produced by Landover Baptist Church.


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Last I checked Ezekiel, I am a Christian. Whether you like that or not, that is what I am. I've stayed here as long as I have, because it troubles me that a community of my brothers and sisters could be as nasty as you've shown yourselves. As a christian I'm saying what I say. If my opinions don't matter, because for whatever cause you'll not count be as loving and trusting God, then at least I keep my pie hole open hoping between one Christian to another, I can learn from you and if there's anything you can learn from me you can.
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Well when you hear Liebrals say stupid stuff like "I should be able to walk down a dark alley naked and not get raped", you sort of have to come up with something just as shocking.

How much would the number of rapes go down if women thought twice about what they were wearing and what situations they put themselves into?
I've never heard a liberal (or anyone) say something like that, but I get your point. There have been some very shocking and disterbing things said by liberal for being the sake of liberal.

I also think your right to put rape in your face so that people will be practical or at least causious. The problem I have with the pamplet isn't for women who might get raped, but due to women who have already been raped. The way I've heard people after being raped is that it's very tramitic for them, and it's difficult for them to get through. Most don't come foward with what happened, and are huanted by it for a long time, while those who do come foward only a few don't get badgered by parents, court procedings or others, because they say the rape victum isn't a victum at all. Passing out a pamplet saying it's your fault just is harsh to those already been raped, I think.

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Matchbox, perhaps you're forgetting that, in spite of its inspired genius, the "Women and Girls pamphlet" was not produced by Landover Baptist Church.
Your right. Sorry for the harshness of my tone. I do hope your church doesn't indorse the idea though.

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We rejoice in your persecution of us. As we are taught
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
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Now friend, won't you turn from hate and embrace love like we TRUE Christians™ do?
Well I hope I'm not comming off as perecuting anyone. I know most of you don't count me as saved or as a christian. But I know that I am and I count you all as the same. To me your my brothers and sisters in Jesus. And just as many here have come down hard on me, for what I later found out to be a tough love kind of way, I'm trying to help anyone who hears me of some wrongs you may not be aware of. I say what I say for you, not to be against you.

I'm sorry, that probabley makes no sense. Not much of what I've said has been recieved well, so I have to assume it's not worded well and is just not understood at all.

Bobby-Joe, and everyone else. Putting aside where I've disagreed with anyone here. I do hope for you the best, and I have put you in my prayers. Not in any bad way, (though I don't see how a prayer can ever be a bad thing), but in a prayer for you. To have God's love and blessings be on you, and to be with you and teach you. Such is what I hope God does for me, my friends, and my family. If it sounds like perscuation I am sorry. If it actually was/is perscutation, thewn I hope you do recieve treasures in heaven for it. May you be filled with God peace and Love.
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I've never heard a liberal (or anyone) say something like that, but I get your point. There have been some very shocking and disterbing things said by liberal for being the sake of liberal.

I also think your right to put rape in your face so that people will be practical or at least causious. The problem I have with the pamplet isn't for women who might get raped, but due to women who have already been raped. The way I've heard people after being raped is that it's very tramitic for them, and it's difficult for them to get through. Most don't come foward with what happened, and are huanted by it for a long time, while those who do come foward only a few don't get badgered by parents, court procedings or others, because they say the rape victum isn't a victum at all. Passing out a pamplet saying it's your fault just is harsh to those already been raped, I think.
I think we are in clear agreement then. If you had read Brother Jeb's link, you would realize these are being handed out to scantily dressed women.

As 1 Timothy 2:9, points out:
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


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Your right. Sorry for the harshness of my tone. I do hope your church doesn't indorse the idea though.
Well, that's better. Of course we don't endorse the idea that rape is ever okay.

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Well I hope I'm not comming off as perecuting anyone. I know most of you don't count me as saved or as a christian. But I know that I am and I count you all as the same. To me your my brothers and sisters in Jesus. And just as many here have come down hard on me, for what I later found out to be a tough love kind of way, I'm trying to help anyone who hears me of some wrongs you may not be aware of. I say what I say for you, not to be against you.

I'm sorry, that probabley makes no sense. Not much of what I've said has been recieved well, so I have to assume it's not worded well and is just not understood at all.

Bobby-Joe, and everyone else. Putting aside where I've disagreed with anyone here. I do hope for you the best, and I have put you in my prayers. Not in any bad way, (though I don't see how a prayer can ever be a bad thing), but in a prayer for you. To have God's love and blessings be on you, and to be with you and teach you. Such is what I hope God does for me, my friends, and my family. If it sounds like perscuation I am sorry. If it actually was/is perscutation, thewn I hope you do recieve treasures in heaven for it. May you be filled with God peace and Love.
Well golly, that's a nice sentiment, but don't think we aren't going to call you out when you're wrong.

As Hebrews 12:6-8 says

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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Friend,

I am glad you are rejecting hate and embracing love. Thank you for remembering me in your prayers.

Now,..

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Your right. Sorry for the harshness of my tone. I do hope your church doesn't indorse the idea though.
Could you please explain what you are taking exception to in this statement?
"You may have been given this leaflet because of the way you are dressed," it begins. "Have you thought about standing before the true and living God to be judged?"

"Scripture tells us that when a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. If you are dressed in a way that tempts a men to do this secret (or not so secret) sin, you are a participant in the sin...By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?"



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I think we are in clear agreement then. If you had read Brother Jeb's link, you would realize these are being handed out to scantily dressed women.

As 1 Timothy 2:9, points out:
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


From post one, Jeb says you should adopt the idea. But just to hand out to teen girls, no mention of certian girls recieve this whole others do not.

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This is a great idea. We need to print up our own "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for the teenie girls around here.
Which is a bad idea to begain with. Stistics of rape show that raqpe is more common to be done by someone the girl knows and trusts then by anyone else. So teen girls, who were raped by their teachers, dads, uncles, or church consoulars. These girls you'd give the pamplets to are given the burden that their being raped was their fault, even though they are young and probably couldn't fight against it for themselves.

No matter how you look at this idea it's a bad idea. Not to say don't do anything to curb rape incediants, but don't indorse and do thids idea.

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Well, that's better. Of course we don't endorse the idea that rape is ever okay.
Rape is a hard issue. I'm glad you don't find that rape is ever ok, but make sure you protect the victums who have been raped too, not just try to avoid others from being raped.

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Well golly, that's a nice sentiment, but don't think we aren't going to call you out when you're wrong.

As Hebrews 12:6-8 says

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

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So go ahead and call me out. I hope I get something out of it, instead of the common response of mock me, condem me, and then congradulate eachouther on how well I was mocked and condemed. But expect the same from me for some time. There are many things I've seen that I think you all should be called out on so you know about it and can change.


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Could you please explain what you are taking exception to in this statement?
"You may have been given this leaflet because of the way you are dressed," it begins. "Have you thought about standing before the true and living God to be judged?"

"Scripture tells us that when a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. If you are dressed in a way that tempts a men to do this secret (or not so secret) sin, you are a participant in the sin...By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?"
"There are no innocent victims." It moves from some are guilty do to dress, to there are no innocant victums. This is, I assume, an opinion based on nothing but our best geuss and what sounds reasonable. Right? well here's the thing, it's just plainly not accurate. Studies of criminal serial rapists have said that this breed of rapist usually picks their targets, on things that have nothing to do with how they dress, or how sudictive they act, but on basic how easy is it to rape her. Characteristics such as long easy to grab hair, and living alone, come into play. Then there are the other breed of rapists, those who rape someone close to them. In this kind of breed yes the victum may have contribited to the event, however it doesn't explain other times, such as when a father rapes a daughter. That child is now tramitized by her father, and has no hope against it usually. This is also an innocant victum. Does that make sense?
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From post one, Jeb says you should adopt the idea. But just to hand out to teen girls, no mention of certian girls recieve this whole others do not.
It would help serve as a warning for those young ladies. What do you have against us trying to prevent rape?

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Which is a bad idea to begain with. Stistics of rape show that raqpe is more common to be done by someone the girl knows and trusts then by anyone else. So teen girls, who were raped by their teachers, dads, uncles, or church consoulars. These girls you'd give the pamplets to are given the burden that their being raped was their fault, even though they are young and probably couldn't fight against it for themselves.
It just asks a question. If the young lady didn't do anything to deserve it, then her conscience should be clear.

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No matter how you look at this idea it's a bad idea. Not to say don't do anything to curb rape incediants, but don't indorse and do thids idea.
What would you suggest to curb rape? Should we hire a cop to escort every harlot showing her naughty bits to all the boys around to prevent it?

Of course not. We should get to the heart of the matter and warn women that they sometimes bring it on themselves.


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Rape is a hard issue. I'm glad you don't find that rape is ever ok, but make sure you protect the victums who have been raped too, not just try to avoid others from being raped.
We have our own Biblical way of dealing with rape.

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So go ahead and call me out. I hope I get something out of it, instead of the common response of mock me, condem me, and then congradulate eachouther on how well I was mocked and condemed. But expect the same from me for some time. There are many things I've seen that I think you all should be called out on so you know about it and can change.
If one of us shows up on one of your pro-rape racist websites and starts preaching, you would have every right to insist this. As it stands, we will run our forum the way we feel best.

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"There are no innocent victims." It moves from some are guilty do to dress, to there are no innocant victums.
Where is the article or in our comments say that there are no innocent victims? Friend, reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strongest suit.


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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-24-2010, 09:40 PM

I am in total disbelief that you people actually believe this to be true. How can you justify ANY man raping a woman regardless of what she wears. How would you like to see your daughter raped or your mother or your wife? Rape is an act of violence and very rarely a sexual crime. And you say this crap in the name of God? It is no wonder that many people shy away from organized religion and zealots like y'all.

oh and by the way "I AM A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!"
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How can you justify ANY man raping a woman regardless of what she wears.
We don't justify it, we explain why it happens.

If it rains and you go outside, you will get wet. Does that mean we want you to get wet? No. Will you get wet? Yes.

Why then look at us in disbelief when you get wet?

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How would you like to see your daughter raped or your mother or your wife?
They wouldn't get raped because
  1. They are True Christians and thus under the protection of God.
  2. They do not wear slutty clothes or go out at 3am on the streets while drunk.
  3. They do not go to college or other places where rapes are highly likely to happen.
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Rape is an act of violence and very rarely a sexual crime.
Looks like you have another definition of "rape" than the rest of the world. No sex = no rape.

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oh and by the way "I AM A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!"
I guessed as much from your hysterical tone.


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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-25-2010, 01:40 AM

I should have raped that harlett i saw earlier, that would have thought her a lesson.

with here damned "baby fat" and tight pants.

The almighty lord must have been merciful today for holding me back.
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I should have raped that harlett i saw earlier, that would have thought her a lesson.

with here damned "baby fat" and tight pants.

The almighty lord must have been merciful today for holding me back.
Cool down, friend.

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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-28-2010, 01:21 PM

Of course, the lord would allow any of his children to be raped, seeing as a mans genitals are for ONLY making babies god is doing a great job when he lets stuff like that go down, to anyone.

not one of you lunatics could possibly justify it and telling girls the way they dress would save them doesnt make you good christians, just idiots
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Default Re: "It's your fault if I rape you" pamphlets for teen girls - 03-31-2010, 06:28 PM

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Ah, that might explain why you don't understand that women who dress like sluts are more likely to be "raped".

Rape is not about power, it is about SEX !!!
It's both!!!! It has been statistically proven that men who rape have problems with authority and want to be in control, it has also been proven that they suffer from sexual preversions and rape in order to fill some type of power play fantasy.
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It's both!!!! It has been statistically proven...
Then please share your proof with us.

There is proof that 9% of women have frequent fantasies about being raped. They want it to happen to them.

I have written a very informative thread on the subject here.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=35502


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