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Default How quickly can two geeks turn people away from Jesus? - 06-22-2007, 08:43 PM

If you can believe it, some Tard Wars fans think the Death Star could beat the Enterprise! It doesn't even matter which Enterprise it is, and even assuming standard weaponry and shields (if it was fitted with a cloaking device the Death Star wouldn't even have a chance to defend itself). If one little X-Wing fighter can destroy the DS, what chance does it have against a Federation star ship? Yes, the DS has that big planet destroying laser, but that has to be powered up, then turned towards its target. The Enterprise at impulse speed would be too fast for it. But what about the tractor beam? It doesn't matter. All the Enterprise needs to do is beam a photon torpedo into the Death Star's reactor and BOOM! Game over!
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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 08:48 PM

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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 09:45 PM

You confuse me, Andrew. You were right to rebuke the nerd, but Jesus was missing from that rebuke. Use the Lord and the tools He gave us (scripture, common sense) to put strength behind the rebuke! That said, I've read completely irrelevant posts of yours that do nothing to witness to the unSaved and you have in fact joined with them in pointless frivolity, and there have been times you have come across as a feelgood "Christian" who blatantly ignores large chunks of the KJV1611.
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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 10:11 PM

It could only happen if the Enterprise shrunk itself down to the size of an X-wing and was able to do the whole trench obstacle thing. THEN at the end, it had to make that ONE shot.

Over all.

I say it'll take the Enterprise just about as long as an X-wing.
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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 10:13 PM

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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 10:28 PM

Let's find Jesus in this question, shall we?

Now we have the Federation; clearly based on the United States, yet a liberal version of it (even if white men run it). Jesus can't be too happy with the Federation, but it still is America. I suppose a Christian can kind of swallow Star Trek’s message; everyone can be white if they work at, even if they are Ornamental, Hamite or Vulcan.

The Empire, they certainly have the kind of society Jesus would love. It goes from God to the Emperor to the masses and anyone who disobeys is corrected with proper tough love. They also have a mean fashion sense. However for all their love good government the Emperor and Darth Vader still are escapes from an anime cartoon spouting Ornamental philosophical nonsense and Jesus don’t love that. That and with the way the Stromtroopers shoot they are not US Marines. Stormtroopers jerk their trigger like a teenage with his first Playboy. Jesus hates bad marksmen.

I am going to have to go with the Enterprise on this. It’s American, in its’ way, after all.

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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 10:34 PM

*inhales deeply*

And yet, if I recall correctly, that was because that one measly X-Wing was able, due to its size, manoeuvre itself close enough to the core ventilation to fire a shot down it that miraculously caused enough damage to said core to cause an explosion that led to a series of catastrophic events ultimately resulting in its destruction.

So, let's take in to account the Enterprise's manoeuvrability, size, fire power, accuracy, and the like, and compare it to that of an X-Wing, shall we? For starters, the X-Wing is smaller and lighter, and thus invariably more manoeuvrable than the enterprise. Second, the Enterprise's weapon banks are situated so that they fire dual shots in a diagonal path along a pre-plotted course of trajectory. This would lead to any shots fired into the ventilation shaft to ultimately collide with the panelling and never reach the core itself. Finally, you assume that the enterprise would have the capacity to beam a photon torpedo into the core reactor whilst being pursued by an armada of ships and potentially targeted by the Death Star itself.

And, as everyone has said, this is not a place for nerd discussion. (No, I am not a nerd, I am speaking from a logical and rational perspective rebuke his beliefs)



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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 11:09 PM

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And yet, if I recall correctly, that was because that one measly X-Wing was blah blah blah
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Didn't you read my post? What side is Jesus on; The Enterprise. Since all things are possible threw Christ the Enterprise would win.



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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-22-2007, 11:41 PM

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Didn't you read my post? What side is Jesus on; The Enterprise. Since all things are possible threw Christ the Enterprise would win.
No, actually I didn't. You see, I was in the middle of typing my reply when you posted yours and thus did not happen to read it before submitting my own. Regardless, I must say that the Empire would (and excuse my slang) pwn Jesus/The Enterprise in this matter. Sad fact of life.



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No, actually I didn't. You see, I was in the middle of typing my reply when you posted yours and thus did not happen to read it before submitting my own. Regardless, I must say that the Empire would (and excuse my slang) pwn Jesus/The Enterprise in this matter. Sad fact of life.
Facts have never been the strong point of atheists in my experience. No Kaze, Jesus would cause the batteries for the Emperor and Darth Vader's light sabers to die. Let’s face it, a gimpy old man and a man whose had lava burns over 90% of his body don’t have much going in the daddy stick department and without those light sabers they're lost. In the confusion the Enterprise would sweep in and Capitan Kirk, in the fine tradition of GW Bush, would unleash a barrage of made in America shock and awe.

The honorary Whiteman/ Vulcan would deduce that of the Death Star's 100,000 man crew, 999,999 just stand around to look impressive and only one guy presses the button to fire the weapon. The first volley from the Enterprise would target that man leaving the Death Star defenseless. After that it would just be a matter of the red shirts raising “The Mission Accomplish” banner on the Enterprises bridge as the Death Star is pounded to pieces.

After the destruction of the Death Star The Empire would welcome the Enterpise’s crew as liberator with flowers and candy. They would quickly embrace American style democracy, a free market and put the eewooks to work in shoe factories for multinational corporations. Needless to say Jesus would be pleased.



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Default Re: How quickly could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star? - 06-23-2007, 02:35 AM

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Facts have never been the strong point of atheists in my experience. No Kaze, Jesus would cause the batteries for the Emperor and Darth Vader's light sabers to die. Let’s face it, a gimpy old man and a man whose had lava burns over 90% of his body don’t have much going in the daddy stick department and without those light sabers they're lost. In the confusion the Enterprise would sweep in and Capitan Kirk, in the fine tradition of GW Bush, would unleash a barrage of made in America shock and awe.
Hmm... I seem to recall that light sabers were powered by a crystal of some sorts... And really, this is fiction, do you expect God to actually be present in this universe?

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Well, someone failed second grade math. By your reasoning, there are now negative 899,999 crew members aboard the Death Star...

[quote]The first volley from the Enterprise would target that man leaving the Death Star defenceless.[/quote
And they would penetrate the hull of the Death star, how?

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Not really seeing how that would happen without you explaining the previous statement of stupidity.

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Because we all know that not only are they gay, but a planet-destroying superweapon just abounds with the stuff. Ponies and rainbows, galore!

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Mmkay, let's look at this. In comparison, we don't know how much damage the weapons of either universe would interact with each other. For all we know, a shot from a turbolaser cannon in Star Wars = Enterprise snapped in two. To get the Enterprise, nay, any Federation Starship that carries torpedos into the trench that exposes the exhaust port, very difficult. Not to mention that it would have to deal with the incoming laser fire from the Death Stars Batteries.

On the other hand, a ship the size of the Enterprise in Star Wars (let's say... Ohh, a Victory Class Star Destroyer) couldn't travel nearly as fast at sublight speeds, which gives the Enterprise the upper hand in combat due to speed. However, the Enterprise isn't hugely maneuverable. Ships of star wars carry more weapon systems than those of Star Trek, and that could spell problems for the Enterprise in turn. Imagine against a Death Stars entire surface covered in laser towers and batteries? Yeah. Uh-oh.

The aspect of Starfighters (aka, one-person starships) are unknown in Star Trek. Using a well-trained and equipped squadron of pilots and their ships against the Enterprise (let's say a TIE Advanced) would equal a swarm tactic, as the Enterprises weapons would be hard pressed to track them all and destroy them. Okay, so the Enterprise did destroy them all. Damn! What do we do now?!?! Oh yeah. The Death Star is huge, ya know? Imagine all the TIE Squadrons inside. In a few passes, a large swarm could do their share of damage. In the Star Trek Universe, all they have to be similar, are Runabouts and such. They have very little weaponary by comparison, and would be sitting ducks.

Then, let's factor in the force. Now of course, the Galactic Empire is huge. Dark Jedi everywhere, despite what the movies may teach you. No doubt there would be several Dark Jedi aboard the Empire's flagship (more or less) at some point. What good does this do, you ask? Battle Meditation. It's a telepathic technique used to inspire one's allies and drain the will of their enemies in the SW universe. Handy, no? There are many abilities within the force that could be used against the Enterprise and her crew. Even if it were as simple as a Dark Jedi leading a Squadron of Fighters against the Enterprise.

Let's see... Oh yes! Droids and Robots and such. In Star Trek, I see very few of these. The closest thing I see are self-sentient holograms. These are good, but compared to metal machines that can think for themselves, that have weapons and been designed to kill? Yeah, I see we might have a problem there. Droids could be mass produced into an army (as seen in the Clone Wars). Imagine the problems there if the Enterprise was captured? No hope.

Hang on... The Federation have something! Oh yeah! One thing they don't have in Star Wars. A transporter! All is good, eh? The shield systems would work differently, and for all we know, they might not affect the transporter at all. How does this help the Federation? Well, it doesn't make much difference, actually. Just wanted to give you a blip of hope. You could beam a few pilots out of their ships into space, but damn. What good would that do if you can't even lock onto them?

I have even more, but then I'll get lots of "tl/dr" comments. So, in my technical opinion as a long time fan of both shows, the Enterprise would be doomed.

But next time, please BE MORE SPECIFIC!!!! Which version of the Enterprise? What time frame in both universes? What spacial terrain? What potential hazards? Other many things that could affect the outcome.


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Mmkay, let's look at this. In comparison, we don't know how much damage the weapons of either universe would interact with each other. For all we know, a shot from a turbolaser cannon in Star Wars = Enterprise snapped in two. To get the Enterprise, nay, any Federation Starship that carries torpedos into the trench that exposes the exhaust port, very difficult. Not to mention that it would have to deal with the incoming laser fire from the Death Stars Batteries.

On the other hand, a ship the size of the Enterprise in Star Wars (let's say... Ohh, a Victory Class Star Destroyer) couldn't travel nearly as fast at sublight speeds, which gives the Enterprise the upper hand in combat due to speed. However, the Enterprise isn't hugely maneuverable. Ships of star wars carry more weapon systems than those of Star Trek, and that could spell problems for the Enterprise in turn. Imagine against a Death Stars entire surface covered in laser towers and batteries? Yeah. Uh-oh.

The aspect of Starfighters (aka, one-person starships) are unknown in Star Trek. Using a well-trained and equipped squadron of pilots and their ships against the Enterprise (let's say a TIE Advanced) would equal a swarm tactic, as the Enterprises weapons would be hard pressed to track them all and destroy them. Okay, so the Enterprise did destroy them all. Damn! What do we do now?!?! Oh yeah. The Death Star is huge, ya know? Imagine all the TIE Squadrons inside. In a few passes, a large swarm could do their share of damage. In the Star Trek Universe, all they have to be similar, are Runabouts and such. They have very little weaponary by comparison, and would be sitting ducks.

Then, let's factor in the force. Now of course, the Galactic Empire is huge. Dark Jedi everywhere, despite what the movies may teach you. No doubt there would be several Dark Jedi aboard the Empire's flagship (more or less) at some point. What good does this do, you ask? Battle Meditation. It's a telepathic technique used to inspire one's allies and drain the will of their enemies in the SW universe. Handy, no? There are many abilities within the force that could be used against the Enterprise and her crew. Even if it were as simple as a Dark Jedi leading a Squadron of Fighters against the Enterprise.

Let's see... Oh yes! Droids and Robots and such. In Star Trek, I see very few of these. The closest thing I see are self-sentient holograms. These are good, but compared to metal machines that can think for themselves, that have weapons and been designed to kill? Yeah, I see we might have a problem there. Droids could be mass produced into an army (as seen in the Clone Wars). Imagine the problems there if the Enterprise was captured? No hope.

Hang on... The Federation have something! Oh yeah! One thing they don't have in Star Wars. A transporter! All is good, eh? The shield systems would work differently, and for all we know, they might not affect the transporter at all. How does this help the Federation? Well, it doesn't make much difference, actually. Just wanted to give you a blip of hope. You could beam a few pilots out of their ships into space, but damn. What good would that do if you can't even lock onto them?

I have even more, but then I'll get lots of "tl/dr" comments. So, in my technical opinion as a long time fan of both shows, the Enterprise would be doomed.

But next time, please BE MORE SPECIFIC!!!! Which version of the Enterprise? What time frame in both universes? What spacial terrain? What potential hazards? Other many things that could affect the outcome.


Oh yeah. I'm a geek. Never woulda guessed.
All of that and...the DS houses around 7000 fighters, and another 3,600 Assault Shuttles, and 4 Strike Cruisers. That's on average. Could the Enterprise deal with the Death Star, its laster, and oh...9,604 ships supporting the Death star?
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All of that and...the DS houses around 7000 fighters, and another 3,600 Assault Shuttles, and 4 Strike Cruisers. That's on average. Could the Enterprise deal with the Death Star, its laster, and oh...9,604 ships supporting the Death star?
And before anyone complains/laughs at me, yes I know I had a typo with the word "laser" there, I can't fix it.
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Let's see... Oh yes! Droids and Robots and such. In Star Trek, I see very few of these. The closest thing I see are self-sentient holograms.
! lord Jesus just tolded me that there be a mechanickal boy scout called Mr.Data on star treks, an he a good liddle machine cuz he lurve kittys

but my kitty Miss.Janeway saids that there be nawty cyborg demons in them star trek universes, she tolded me that wiv her growly an raspy meows so unladylike for a girl kitty .

i worrieds about her cuz she lurve to play star trek, an she lurve bestest to pretend she a baddie


here she pretend to be somethang called a borg cube an she meows at me that resistince is fultiles an it brake my hart
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Petal...what are you talking about?
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i not shore, but i no that Mr.Data lurve Spot, cuz Spot behave himselfs



but i worrieds that lord Jesus gonna throw my liddle kitty Miss.Janeway into hellfires cuz she gotta voice like a bulldyke who smoke 3 packs a day an she wanna assimmilate the human race an stuff


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i not shore, but i no that Mr.Data lurve Spot, cuz Spot behave himselfs



but i worrieds that lord Jesus gonna throw my liddle kitty Miss.Janeway into hellfires cuz she gotta voice like a bulldyke who smoke 3 packs a day an she wanna assimmilate the human race an stuff


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I'd pray for your Kitty, but I don't know how much good it'd do, after all I'm not a True Christian. I think that as long as you Pray for your Kitty, she'll be alright.
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