[Evilutionist Clive]

LOL, you're such an insecure person. Hah hah. I'm causing you more than a pain.

You won't be able to say anything like that to my face. Coward.


For the record, I wasn't attempting to "verbal sexualism" with a female here. Unlike you, I get laid plentifully.

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Dear Evolutionist Clyde,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

Reason: Attempted verbal sexualism with female.
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Young man, please refrain from attempted verbal sexualism. This is a family friendly fun forum: not a two bit nipple peep show in Rio De Janeiro.

YIC
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This infraction is worth 17 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

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http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=1230100
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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga
Hello Mr. Clyde! I am not entirely sure, why would selling tattoo supplies be cool? It's not like you are the tattoo artist who actually creates something. You just sell stuff. Which sounds pretty boring to me. But I'm glad you like what you're doing, sales people who hate their job are the worst!



Hello, you seem to be a lovely lady.


You're right, I'm not the tattoo artiste so you do have a valid point.


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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga


Your ability to dismiss one stereotype and then trade it for another is quite impressive.



It wasn't a stereotype. But a genuine compliment. I regret the fact that I never had the opportunity to try authentic Texas steak.

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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga
You see, Mr. Clyde, believing the contents of a Holy Book is the central point of believing that a book is holy.


Whatever sister. I don't understand the concept of 'faith' that is why we won't agree on this question.

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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga
Wrong. I teach about biological anthropology and if you were my student you'd get 0 points for such an answer.


Here's a helpful tip for you: if you want to seem like you know something about human evolution, try learning something about it first. Hint: you may want to read up on the common ancestor of both humans and apes.


That's quite intelligent of you, thanks. I wonder how do you even manage to teach biological anthropology to schoolchildren while believing in Creationist nonsense?


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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga
If you were raised to believe in science, that means your parents have no idea what science is.


Hint: science is about accepting the best available evidence, not about believing something.


Let's not split hairs, now, shall we? I know what Science is. You want me not to use the word "believe", I'm fine with it.


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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga
I suppose you've never been to Europe and visited Medieval cathedrals, then. Because I cannot imagine someone wanting to stay away from their timeless beauty - even when you think about all the human suffering and oppression that went into building them.


I've been to Europe. But cathedrals aren't my scene really. I did visit Notre Dame and the Sistine Chape. But for historic value.


Most Europeans don't attend churches. On an average Sunday morning, it's only 3 or 4 old people sitting in the pews.


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Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga
If a sitcom is your source of scientific information, then you have a lot in common with the members of this lovely church - as neither of you actually engages with actual scientific evidence but rather believes in something they learned from an unscientific source.


No, it's not my only source of information. I was thinking the people on this forum will be no more intelligent than the rubes and hicks you come across n shows like Jerry Seinfeld. Sorry couldn't resist.


But you and Dr. White have proved me wrong. That still doesn't answer my question - what the heck are you even doing among these Religious nutcases? You know better than that.

Each one for their own, I suppose. But still.
All the best,
The Landover Baptist Church Forum



1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

LOL, you're such an insecure person. Hah hah. I'm causing you more than a pain.

You won't be able to say anything like that to my face. Coward.


For the record, I wasn't attempting to "verbal sexualism" with a female here. Unlike you, I get laid plentifully.

That's great to know but the next time please try to avoid oversharing.


I am still awaiting a reply to my previous post.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga

That's great to know but the next time please try to avoid oversharing.


I am still awaiting a reply to my previous post.

Why do you need a reply? I did say that all your points are valid.


I'm adding you as a friend. I want this loser called Laurence Niles to burn a little more.


Come on <<<expletive deleted>>>, I'm waiting for your "infraction".

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

LOL, you're such an insecure person. Hah hah. I'm causing you more than a pain.

You won't be able to say anything like that to my face. Coward.


For the record, I wasn't attempting to "verbal sexualism" with a female here. Unlike you, I get laid plentifully.



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Why the anger, Clive?

As I am no longer married you almost certainly have sexualism more than I.

You still haven’t supported your position though: in debate that is all that matters.

My opinion is that you have heard a lot of talking points advanced by other people (your brother sounds quite educated) that happen to fit your preconceived notions of reality and you pass them off as your own and this is why you have refused to debate in good faith.

YIC

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Why the anger, Clive?

As I am no longer married you almost certainly have sexualism more than I.

You still haven’t supported your position though: in debate that is all that matters.

My opinion is that you have heard a lot of talking points advanced by other people (your brother sounds quite educated) that happen to fit your preconceived notions of reality and you pass them off as your own and this is why you have refused to debate in good faith.

YIC

All right, we're good now.


I have no beef with you. But what's with the childish infractions?


If you got a problem with me, tell me nicely and I'll leave.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

All right, we're good now.


I have no beef with you. But what's with the childish infractions?


If you got a problem with me, tell me nicely and I'll leave.

We do not want you to leave. (But if you wish, you can, and don't let the doors hit ya where the Good Lord split ya).

We want you to repent for your sins, accept Jesus as your Savior, and avoid burning in Hell forever. The infractions are not derived from hate, but from True Christian™ love.

I hope that was helpful.

Still praying for you!

[Thinks Design]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

Howdy, from the Southern Hemisphere

Let me just briefly introduce first. I am a social type, always looking to make new friends. I'm from Aus, working as the manager (sales) for a tattoos supply company. Tell me, Cool, huh? Everyone loves it.


I like to party a lot mostly in Bali or Macau. I have lived in California between 2011-2013. I really loved the US but never really got the opportunity to experience anything outside of Cali, Las Vegas, Florida and New York. You know I have been told that the whole Flyover region is really backwoods and one shouldn't even set foot there. Now don't yell at me, it's mostly my American friends living on the coast that say this sort of thing. I know better than that. I'd really love to savour an authentic Texas BBQ. I'm totally cool with Christians (I'm atheist). Even the Creationist types. But yes, don't hit me with the Bible. Heh heh.


Single, straight and superb. Yea, that's all about me.


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All right now coming to my main question and concerns. I've been browsing this forum for a while and I must say, you folks are kinda cute but do you really believe in all the things you spout here? I get it that the people in interior America can be very religious. But still?

I don't really get it. How can be anyone so deluded as to suggest that Evolution never happened, that there should be a death penalty for masturbation, or the pre-Jurassic period existence of Dinosaurs is nothing but Satan's trick?

I know Jesus is cool but come on, you don't really believe in that sort of nonsense, do you? I know it's on the Bible but you tell me you don't exactly share these beliefs?

Evolution is backed by real science. You might ask why do I believe this? Well, my family raised me that way. My brother works for Monash University in the School of Physics & Astronomy. In my circle of friends, I don't know a single person who advances a literalist understanding of the Bible. I know you might not like it but they often make fun of Biblical characters. When I was in California, most people I met had identical views.


Many of the arguments you use which are anti-evolution by quoting literal verses do not hold up in a serious debate involving scientists. If you think of it, the Bible is just a book written down by bored ancient Jewish men who didn't have access to Electric Razors or the Internet.


OK just allow me to respectfully defend the Evolutionist position. Not trying to convince you but you see going against Scientific consensus does not sit well with most peeps nowadays.


Most Creationists like to say that Evolution is just a theory. Not facts or scientific laws. That's not correct. There's abundant fossil records and carbon dating tastes that debunk these ideas. Not thousands of scientists can be wrong at the same time, what do you say?


The scientific consensus today is that human Beings came from Apes, and Apes came from other mammals further below the evolutionary ladder. The Big Bang Theory is the only logical evidence of the Universe's beginning.


Speaking of The Big Bang Theory, do you guys like to watch the namesake CBS show? That's the only thing I like to watch on TV. It's genuinely funny. I love the character called Sheldon Cooper played by Jim Parsons. I also like the other characters including Howard Wolowitz. That show won a Golden Globe and an Emmy's.


Just like to have a free and independent discussion on Creationism. I'd like to know your views. Please don't just quote from the Bible. Provide me scientific evidence. Thanks.

G'day one and all.
Clyde

I like the Big Bang Theory. It’s very funny.

So nice to have someone new asking interesting questions. I happen to believe the world is round and intelligently designed for humanity by the Designer.

I don’t believe the Designer made us a world that was not stable: that makes no sense. When we observe the specified and irreducible complexity in nature we see order and I don’t think a flat Earth fits that order.

That’s just science.

Hugs.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

We do not want you to leave.
Still praying for you!

Please don't PRAY for me. Please.







Bazinga, I don't really care about mumbo-jumbo and prayers.


I just want any of you to provide me scientific evidence that evolution isn't real and creationism is correct. Not from the Bible.


Back to the topic.


So far I haven't seen one factual statement that supports your theories.


I'm waiting.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

Why do you need a reply? I did say that all your points are valid.

Thank you. That is less climactic than some sort of acknowledgement how wrong you were in your assumptions about me, which I expected, but I will get over it.

I want this loser called Laurence Niles to burn a little more.


Come on <<<expletive deleted>>>, I'm waiting for your "infraction".

Well, let me give you another free advice: if you are here in hopes of making friends, throwing insults may not be the best way to achieve your goal.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Thinks Design

I like the Big Bang Theory. It’s very funny.

So nice to have someone new asking interesting questions. I happen to believe the world is round and intelligently designed for humanity by the Designer.

I don’t believe the Designer made us a world that was not stable: that makes no sense. When we observe the specified and irreducible complexity in nature we see order and I don’t think a flat Earth fits that order.

That’s just science.

Hugs.

Howdy.


I would be interested in INTELLIGENT DESIGN theories as long as there is factual evidence based on academic sources, and some respectful authority figures e.g. Stephen Hawking. I am open to new ideas as long as it's based on real evidence.


That's what I'm looking for.


I have had enough of the Bible for one day. Can't imagine how people survive in a Christian Fundamentalist home.

If my parents were anything like these, I would have killed myself.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

Please don't PRAY for me. Please.

Unfortunately, I cannot comply with your request, dear. You see, it is my Christian obligation to pray for you whether you want it or not. Moreover, it makes me feel better about myself as this way I feel I am doing something to help you achieve Salvation, while my other actions (posts and infractions) seem to be failing in this regard.

I just want any of you to provide me scientific evidence that evolution isn't real and creationism is correct. Not from the Bible.

I see you weren't reading what Dolores wrote about the difference between science and religion.

With that ability to read selectively, you are actually quite a good candidate to become a blind follower of a religion! I will continue praying that you chose Christianity rather than some New Age crap!

So far I haven't seen one factual statement that supports your theories.

We don't need theories. We have the infallible Word of God which gives us the Truth.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

All right, we're good now.


I have no beef with you. But what's with the childish infractions?


If you got a problem with me, tell me nicely and I'll leave.

The infractions are an act of love and a way to ensure no undue sexualism takes place on the boards.

You see, we try to keep these boards clean as many homersexualists come to this forum to spread their gaywise propaganda and using words like rimming, cottaging, coffee-cream parties, brown hatting, monking and will have none of that in a Christian forum.

YIC

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

I would be interested in INTELLIGENT DESIGN theories as long as there is factual evidence based on academic sources, and some.........Steven Hawkings

This is a blatant appeal to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) and a logical fallacy.

You see, the difficulty here is in how you are formulating your premis: and assuming that an authority’s opinion is an axiom.

Do you see?

YIC

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Unfortunately, I cannot comply with your request, dear. You see, it is my Christian obligation to pray for you whether you want it or not. Moreover, it makes me feel better about myself as this way I feel I am doing something to help you achieve Salvation, while my other actions (posts and infractions) seem to be failing in this regard.

It was sarcasm. You deliberately chose to ignore this sentence. Read again.

Bazinga, I don't really care about mumbo-jumbo and prayers.

Originally Posted by Basilissa

I see you weren't reading what Dolores wrote about the difference between science and religion.

I'll freely admit to my wrong choice of words.


I don't "believe" in Science. Science is what can be observed through valid hypothesis and repetitive evidence.


The Bible isn't Science.


Evolution = Science because there is plenty of evidence.


Case closed.

Originally Posted by Basilissa

With that ability to read selectively, you are actually quite a good candidate to become a blind follower of a religion! I will continue praying that you chose Christianity rather than some New Age crap!

Unless you have better scientific evidence to defend your Bible, I am not interested.

Originally Posted by Basilissa

We don't need theories. We have the infallible Word of God which gives us the Truth.

Speak for yourself then.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Why the anger, Clive?

Stop calling me Clive, you weirdo. It's Clyde. How difficult is it for you?




How about I start calling you son of a bitch instead of Laurence?


FYI, son of a bitch is not a slur in Australia. It's something you call your close friends.


I am being nice you see.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

It was sarcasm. You deliberately chose to ignore this sentence. Read again.

And I don't give a damn about the fact you don't care.

I only care about the future of your eternal soul, dear.

I don't "believe" in Science. Science is what can be observed through valid hypothesis and repetitive evidence.

The Bible isn't Science.

Evolution = Science because there is plenty of evidence.

Yay, you have learned something today! I am pleased.

Unless you have better scientific evidence to defend your Bible, I am not interested.

...Or maybe I spoke too early, as you still seem to have trouble understanding that the Bible does not need any scientific evidence to support it because we already know that it is the Word of God and therefore the Absolute Truth.

In fact, the Holy Bible tells us to steer away from science:

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

Stop calling me Clive, you weirdo. It's Clyde. How difficult is it for you?

Oh, that's just precious - you getting angry about Dr. Niles () calling you Clive while just a couple posts before you have butchered my name quite severely.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

This is a blatant appeal to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) and a logical fallacy.

You see, the difficulty here is in how you are formulating your premis: and assuming that an authority’s opinion is an axiom.

Do you see?

YIC

You don't like Stephen Hawking, fine. Get me another credible scientific authority that we can both respect.


Your only authority is THE BIBLE. I refuse to accept it because I am an atheist. Got that?

[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

I would be interested in INTELLIGENT DESIGN theories as long as there is factual evidence based on academic sources, and some respectful authority figures e.g. Stephen Hawking.

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

This is a blatant appeal to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam) and a logical fallacy.

You see, the difficulty here is in how you are formulating your premis: and assuming that an authority’s opinion is an axiom.

Originally Posted by Evolutionist Clyde

You don't like Stephen Hawking, fine. Get me another credible scientific authority that we can both respect.

Mr. Clyde, you have misunderstood the point that Dr. Niles was making.


In simple terms, what Dr. Niles said is that in science, appealing to authority is not acceptable. A scientist does not believe what someone else said simply because that someone else is an authority; a scientist evaluates the arguments and makes a judgement based on the merits of the arguments, disregarding whether the arguments were made by a world renown authority or a toddler.


Sure, there is a greater chance that words uttered by a world authority will make more sense than those of a toddler, but even that statistical fact cannot be used to judge the correctness of an actual utterance.


Oh, I was trying to make it simpler and I think I made it even more complicated.


Tl;dr: a scientist does not believe any authorities.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga

Mr. Clyde, you have misunderstood the point that Dr. Niles was making.


In simple terms, what Dr. Niles said is that in science, appealing to authority is not acceptable. A scientist does not believe what someone else said simply because that someone else is an authority; a scientist evaluates the arguments and makes a judgement based on the merits of the arguments, disregarding whether the arguments were made by a world renown authority or a toddler.


Sure, there is a greater chance that words uttered by a world authority will make more sense than those of a toddler, but even that statistical fact cannot be used to judge the correctness of an actual utterance.


Oh, I was trying to make it simpler and I think I made it even more complicated.


Tl;dr: a scientist does not believe any authorities.

Fine, I know that a scientist does not believe in any authorities.


But you can always use those authority statements as a starting point of observation to uncover evidence if any.


So, again my question is:


Where is the evidence for Creationism? Where is the evidence that negates evolution theory?


No one answers me. You just want to move in circles because you have no evidence.


And you all should stop misquoting me.

[Evilutionist Clive]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Oh, that's just precious - you getting angry about Dr. Niles () calling you Clive while just a couple posts before you have butchered my name quite severely.

Not very important but my question is, WHEN WAS THAT?


When did I "butcher your name" in this thread? Show me the evidence I can't find any.


It kinda proves my point. You all operate in a vacuum of your own imaginations. That's where the Jesus theory comes from I suppose.


Evidence? Or just GTFO here.