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Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 06:17 AM
NO!
Period. I get so sick of hearing false Christians prattle sanctimoniously about this "issue" as if they're engaging in some profound theological discussion. The Bible's word is definitive and thunderous.
1 Corinthians 6
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
If you repeatedly engage in sodomistic acts, you're not really sorry and Jesus has no use for you. Homosexualism is a RELIGION, and God only tolerates one of those at a time: Christianity!
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 06:56 AM
Absolutely correct. The thought that these "people" could think that they could break one of God's many rules and still be considered Christian is outrageous, so outrageous in fact that it makes me want to spit my caviar all over my 13 year old Indonisian servant.
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 01:47 PM
Oh dear!
I had to double-check my Calendar when I saw the title of this Thread. It gave me such a shock I thought one of the Pastors was playing an April Fool joke.
It might be ok for some of these Lieberal minded false-Christians to accept sodomy but not True Christians™.
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 02:02 PM
It does boggle the mind, what these vile creatures can come up with to try and destroy Christianity. But you see, they live in an upside-down, inside-out universe, where men are "feminine", goths are "Christian", females are "empowered", and animals, nigras and illegal wetbacks have "rights", but Godly White True Christians don't.
The world of an unrepentant heathen is a twisted, nightmarish one.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 02:22 PM
Brothers and Sisters, the Lord is speaking through all of you, and it warms my heart to be here amongst such Godly people.
Praise the Lord!
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 02:28 PM
Well said, brothers and sisters.
To add more to this subject, and help the heathen scum understand why we take this position, while most FALSE "Christian" "churches" allow sodomites!
I'll add a few verses below, I expect all True Christians to already know this, otherwise, you better report to a Pastor ASAP.
So True Christians can basically ignore what's below, if you're unsaved however, KEEP READING!
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 18:22
God's law, as seen above ^, condemns homosexaulity as an abomination.
Now, some of you may think these laws were abolished by Jesus? "Nailed to the cross"?
Not so, for Jesus Himself tells us so:
For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18
As shown in this ^ verse, the law will not pass until the Apocalypse, when heaven and earth will pass away.
But keep reading folks, cause we ain't done yet.
So now then, what is sin? The transgression (violation) of God's law!
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
For sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4
So, now that we have established that homosexuality is indeed a sin.
What does the Bible tell us about sinners and Christians? Can Christians sin?
"Yes" is probably the answer that most of you would give but is this the answer found in the Holy Bible? NO!
Let's continue the previous verse:
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1 John 3:6
As seen here ^, Christians cannot sin! GLORY!
And with all of this said, we can say beyond doubt that God considers homosexuality an ABOMINATION.
And that it is impossible to be a real Christian and a homosexual!
If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Proverbs 9:12-13
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 03:59 PM
As has already been noted, Romans ch. 1 teaches that God gives people up to being sodomites or lezbanians because of their idolatry. If they can be idolators and Christians at the same time, why can't up be down or day be night?
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-23-2007, 04:19 PM
Honestly, sometimes I don't even see the point in this anymore. It's like a nigra constantly trying to convince people he's white. It's not going to happen. False Christians are not Christians! Stop trying to convince people that you're going to Heaven when you disobey almost every command that God ever gave! I apologize for this outburst, but I am just filled with rage over those who try to besmirch the name of Christians by claiming to be one. It's like a negroid filling out a credit application and circling the box labeled "Caucasian" under "Ethnicity", hoping that they'll get another card to max out at KFC. Well, my friends, Jesus is far more attentive than the Jews at the credit agencies, and nothing will slip by Him!
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 12:32 AM
A bit of a stupid question, but what ARE effeminate, covetous, revilers, or extortioners? I'm confused. Could someone give some examples? A reviler as in..a protester? revolutionist? I've heard of drunkards and the rest before, but I'm not sure of the meaning of these ones? sorry.
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 12:41 AM
Listen Pizza face,
GOD hates Homers. He finds them an abomination.
I REBUKE you in the name of JESUS! Get thee BEHIND demon!
Show some respect here on GOD's Favorite Forum.
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 12:46 AM
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A bit of a stupid question, but what ARE effeminate, covetous, revilers, or extortioners? I'm confused. Could someone give some examples? A reviler as in..a protester? revolutionist? I've heard of drunkards and the rest before, but I'm not sure of the meaning of these ones? sorry.
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Son, are you just too lazy to look things up for yourself? Ever heard of a dictionary?
THIS is a link to a very good online dictionary specifically for understanding the terminology of the Holy KJV 1611 Bible. The Lord helps those who help themselves, son.
Now how about if you wander over to the "introduction" thread and tell us about yourself, since you are new here.....
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 01:02 PM
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A bit of a stupid question, but what ARE effeminate,(that would be a nancy boy, or drag queen... ie John Edwards). covetous,(this basically means envious with a twish. When you covet your neighbor's wife, you are eyeballing her all the time, lusting after her... ie negros at a pie baking contest). revilers,(to assail with contemptuous or opprobrious language; address or speak of abusively... ie the ACLU). or extortioners?(The demoncratic party is a perfect example of this. It's forcing people to pay for a service that they don't need, don't want, and can't afford with threat of imprisonment or bodily harm).
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"If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
(Leviticus 21:6-7)
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 01:31 PM
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NO!
Period. I get so sick of hearing false Christians prattle sanctimoniously about this "issue" as if they're engaging in some profound theological discussion. The Bible's word is definitive and thunderous.
1 Corinthians 6
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
If you repeatedly engage in sodomistic acts, you're not really sorry and Jesus has no use for you. Homosexualism is a RELIGION, and God only tolerates one of those at a time: Christianity!
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YES!
The difference between masculine and feminine behaviors is due to the chemical differences in men and women. That is, homosexuality is a behavior dictated in part by one's hormonal complex. These are partly genetic and partly acquired.
One's mix of natural hormones and enzymes drive one's behavoir as do alcohol and the street drugs. This is so because behavior is a chemical reaction. In fact, an electro-chemical reaction. One neuron drops some molecules on another causing a response (chemical reaction) which travels along its axon (electrical reaction) to activate a cell or another neuron.
Even one's "free will" can easily change by changing one's body chemistry as one would behave differently under the influence of alcohol or a different set of hormones, enzymes, and other consumed chemicals. Even an environmentally shaped behavior cannot take place unless it changes the chemistry of that behavior.
Sexual drive is largely due to testosterone in both sexes. Yet, men's sexual drive is stronger because they have more of it. The Sexual attraction is due to a combination of hormones and environmental influences.
Certain normal hormone(s) may be inadequate or excessive. The ratio between male and female hormones in a person may be disproportionate. Or, a hormone may be defective. Or, the target cells may have reduced or increased sensitivity to them. Even, certain tumors may produce similar chemicals or chemicals that alter the effects of these hormones.
Like diabetes, homosexuality is subsequent to a chemical imbalance in one's body. However, homosexuality is a more complex condition.
Diabetes is not really a disease anymore than the fish's inability to breathe air since the diabetics would do well without medication in hunter societies as shown by the return of a group of diabetic aboriginals in Australia out of cities and back to their hunting life-style.
Diabetes is in parrt the problem of having failed to evolve the particular genetic code to deal with our increasingly high-sugar diet since the invention of farming. Like diabetes, homosexuality is not a disease but a variant of biochemistry in one's blood resulted from one or more causes: genetic varience, mind/body connection, cultural gender-typing, induced biochemical changes, etc.
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 06:02 PM
Next up - Is it possible to be a hard-working mexican't?
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
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Well, my friends, Jesus is far more attentive than the Jews at the credit agencies, and nothing will slip by Him!
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Yet more proof of how awesome the Almighty is; it's nearly impossible to be more attentive than a jew investigating financial matters, and yet Our Lord manages it! Praise!
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YES!
The difference between masculine and feminine behaviors is due to the chemical differences in men and women. That is, homosexuality is a behavior dictated in part by one's hormonal complex. These are partly genetic and partly acquired. Secular nonsense snipped...
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If that jibber-jabber was true, that still wouldn't mean it was possible to be a sodomite Christian, it would just mean it was genetically impossible for some people to be Saved. Fortunately, God is so merciful that He has given all of us the opportunity to accept Him, even you. So now you understand that there's nothing "natural" about your abominable behaviour, will you give it up and choose life?
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-24-2007, 11:37 PM
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Yet more proof of how awesome the Almighty is; it's nearly impossible to be more attentive than a jew investigating financial matters, and yet Our Lord manages it! Praise!
If that jibber-jabber was true, that still wouldn't mean it was possible to be a sodomite Christian, it would just mean it was genetically impossible for some people to be Saved. Fortunately, God is so merciful that He has given all of us the opportunity to accept Him, even you. So now you understand that there's nothing "natural" about your abominable behaviour, will you give it up and choose life?
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Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian? -
03-25-2007, 01:01 AM
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Certain normal hormone(s) may be inadequate or excessive. The ratio between male and female hormones in a person may be disproportionate. Or, a hormone may be defective.
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If they're defective, why don't we kill them at birth. We should at least stone them to death as the Bible says. You have proved that homers are genetically inferior. By the laws of your nature, the genetically inferior are supposed to be removed from the gene pool.
We True Christians already knew these things, as God told us.
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03-25-2007, 04:20 PM
THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Dara Newman
In trying to decide on a topic for this WWW project, it seemed logical to try and focus on a current subject. Homosexuality and homosexual behavior has existed for thousands and thousands of years, probably even before the times of homo-sapiens. However, up until a few years ago, the issue was discussed mostly by people in the social sciences. Psychologists, such as Freud, studied homosexuals extensively in hopes of coming up with an explanation for their "abnormal" behavior. All of the explanations that these people created linked homosexuality to experiences that homosexuals have while growing up. Generally speaking, people in the world of psychology believed that homosexuality could be explained by a person's environment. However, in the past four or five years, the subject of homosexuality has been creeping into the world of biology. Studies have been done recently that attempt to look at homosexuality in a scientific light in hopes of coming up with a genetic explanation for sexual preference.
One of the first successful scientific studies that was done on homosexuality was reported on in 1993. The purpose of this study was to look at families in which there was an abnormally high occurrence of homosexuality. By extensively studying the family histories of these families, researchers hoped to find some clues pointing towards the genetic factors that affect homosexuality. That is exactly what happened. By looking at the family trees of gay males (For some reason, this study only focused on male homosexuality, but made the claim that their findings would be similar to the ones that would be found by looking at female homosexuality. As this paper will discuss later, this assumption that male and female homosexuality can easily be compared may be entirely inaccurate.) it seemed that the majority of homosexual occurrences were on the maternal side of the tree. From this information, researchers concluded that if in fact there was a "homosexual gene", it appeared to be passed down from mother to son. This means that heterosexual females are carriers of this gene, and when it is passed down to a male child, there is a chance that the child will be a homosexual. While this study did not come up with any hard core facts about the genetics of homosexuality, it showed that a connection very well could exist. Since this study did determine that the gene influencing homosexuality was carried by the mother, researchers participating in further studies knew that they could limit their search to the X chromosome, and that is exactly what they did (5).
One of the most influential studies on the genetics of homosexuality was done by Dean Hamer and his co-workers at the National Cancer Institute in Washington DC (1993). Hamer's research involved studying thirty-two pairs of brothers who were either "exclusively or mostly" homosexual. None of the sets of brothers were related. Of the thirty-two pairs, Hamer and his colleagues found that two-thirds of them (twenty-two of the sets of brothers) shared the same type of genetic material. This strongly supports the hypothesis that there is an existing gene that influences homosexuality (4). Hamer then looked closely at the DNA of these gay brothers to try and find the region of the X chromosome (since the earlier research suggested that the gene was passed down maternally) that most of the homosexual brothers shared. He discovered that homosexual brothers have a much higher likelihood of inheriting the same genetic sequence on the region of the X chromosome identified by Xq28, than heterosexual brothers of the same gay men. Keep in mind though, that this is just a region of the X chromosome, not a specific gene. Although researchers are hopeful, a single gene has not yet been identified (7). Hamer's study also acknowledges the fact that while it does suggest that there is a gene that influences homosexuality, it has not yet been determined how greatly the gene influences whether or not a person will be homosexual (4). In addition, Hamer attempted to locate a similar gene in female homosexuals, but was unsuccessful (7). The results that Hamer's study did find though, cannot yet be accepted as absolute truth. Another study took place in 1993 by Macke et al. This study examined the same gene locus as the Hamer study, but found that it had no influence on homosexuality (8). As you can see, the results on this topic are still extremely varied and reasonably new, so it is difficult to come to any lasting conclusion.
Other studies have been conducted that look at twin brothers rather than brothers of different ages. Bailey and Pillard (1991) did a study of twins that determined a Ò52% concordance of homosexuality in monozygotic twins, 22% for dizygotic twins, and 11% for adoptive brothers of homosexual men (8). These results, like Hamer's, provide further support for the claim that homosexuality is genetically linked. Studies very similar to the Bailey and Pillard study have been done both with female homosexual siblings and siblings of both sexes. The results for both of these studies were only off from Bailey and PillardÕs by a few percentage points. Putting all of these results together, it seems like genetics are at least 50% accountable for determining a personÕs sexual orientation (8).
Looking at the results of many of the other studies I have discussed, it seems a little strange to me that the student of homosexual siblings who were both male and female came up with similar result as the studies that looked exclusively at male homosexuality. Hamer's study, along with others, have tried to located a gene that influences female homosexuality, but they have been unsuccessful. More importantly, the region of the X chromosome that very possibly could influence male homosexuality does not influence females in the same way. Female heterosexuals merely pass the gene sequence on to their sons. Knowing this, it seems odd to me that there would be such a high percentage of male and female homosexual siblings. Perhaps this suggests that if genetics are responsible for homosexuality, we have a long way to go before we completely understand the gene loci that determine sexuality.
Aside from the scientists who are researching the topic of homosexuality and genetics, there are many other people who have concerns and vested interests in the topic. The information that is being discovered has been used by people in both positive and negative ways. On the one hand, there are members of the gay community who are very excited to find that the life-style they live is not entirely a choice that they made, as homophobic people often like to believe. Some homosexuals feel that if the world realizes that homosexuality is something people are born with, just like the color of your skin or your eyes, then people will begin to be more accepting of the homosexual life-style (5). However, on the other hand, there is also a group a people who believe that if homosexuality is in fact genetically linked, then there should be a way to genetically alter homosexuals in order to make them "normal" (3). Before I started researching this topic on the world-wide-web, I did not realize what a new and controversial issue the genetics of homosexuality was. From tid-bits of news that I had picked up along the way, I thought that scientists had located, without a doubt, a gene that plays a role in influencing sexual orientation.
God created the Universe, so therefore created the genetic makeup of man so therefore condones homosexuality very simple really I think you have been hoisted by your own petards!
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03-25-2007, 04:41 PM
Choosing to be a homosexual deviant is no different than the choice to be a suicidal moon-worshiping terrorist. You can't be a follower of Christ while at the same time choosing to spit in the face of Baby Jesus.
The answer is indisputably !!NO!!
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