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Default Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-10-2011, 04:29 PM

There are all these chruches across the country with "issues". The issue is that there are empty pews. The collection plates aren't very full either.

So, you have these people who think they have solutions to this problem. One is to reach out to the handicapped community and make the feel "welcome".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...umn10_ST_N.htm

Just to be sure, I called one of our Pastors today to see if, in light of this article, there has been any policy change at Landover Baptist. He assured me there has been no change. There will be no handicapped access accomodations.


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-10-2011, 04:34 PM

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There are all these chruches across the country with "issues". The issue is that there are empty pews. The collection plates aren't very full either.

So, you have these people who think they have solutions to this problem. One is to reach out to the handicapped community and make the feel "welcome".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...umn10_ST_N.htm

Just to be sure, I called one of our Pastors today to see if, in light of this article, there has been any policy change at Landover Baptist. He assured me there has been no change. There will be no handicapped access accomodations.
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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-10-2011, 04:36 PM

Making special provisions for the handicapped, be them blind, deaf, fat, retarded whatever only belittles the abominations and draws attention to Gods distaste. God handicapped them because they are bad. I should not have be subjected to their existence.

Every time I go to the motorcycle store and see a handicap parking space, I have to wonder, how often it gets filled.
At Church, all those mandated spaces are always empty. Why? Because all handicappers are all God hating heathens and would never show up anyways. The few that might always sit in the back and try to steal from the collection plates or hang around and get a free lunch. Those people really upset me (understatement)


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Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 12:07 AM

You know, what really bothers me about installing handicapped accessable facilties is its selfishness.

If we installed these ramps it might cost say, $200,000. That could mean fewer Escalades for our Pastors.

Suppose one of our business executive members, a regular tither, hurts his back while golfing with a client. Lying there in traction, he phones a Pastor and asks the Pastor to come and pray with him.

The Pastor says, "I'll be there as soon as possible. But, it will be awhile. I have to take the City Bus."

The handicapped person does not have to suffer, but our important church member does. That's what is so selfish about it.


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 03:42 AM

Mayor JJ,
Did you notice the problem we do have at the Entrances to Churches Here in Iowa during the winter months, The temperature at the entrances to churches. A solution for this would be positive pressure forced hot air blowers at the entrances.

I have noted that there seems to be many misinformed individuals that are willing to donate monies for renovations with handicap entry to Churches. My thought was that pictures be taken of our entrance-ways and applications made to these groups for up dating our entrances. Anyone looking at these pictures won't help but notice that we have no ramps to our doors. If we never mention the forced air heating or the lack of ramps no one should complain how we ''update'' the areas. I am sure our joo lawyers will know exactly what will be needed to keep all paperwork and applications on the up and up.
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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 04:31 AM

What on earth would a disabled person be doing in a Church ?
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So, you have these people who think they have solutions to this problem. One is to reach out to the handicapped community and make the feel "welcome".
Shouldn't these crips be polite enough to bring their own ramps and other gimp equipment? I mean what's next? Free kiddies for all the catlicks to fiddle when they get here? Free marijuhana for all the stoner losers who happen by? Gee whizz!
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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 04:49 AM

I might mention RPA (Regional Planning Authority) funding. Landover Baptist attracts thousands and thousands of visitors from all over the county (and the world) to Iowa and we all know they spend considerable monies to do so. The State of Iowa, via the RPA, provides money to encourage and enhance tourism.

RPA funding would be available to non-profits with heavy impact on local tourism. A vaguely worded grant application (I would suggest recycling the one we so successfully used to renovate the cry room last year) could generate $250,000 to $800,000 easily enough. Probably would not be to hard with resources like that to just blow hot air the length of the sidewalks to the parking lot.

We might consider getting a fleet of shuttle buses to transfer guests and woshippers to the church too.

Additionally, should sufficient funding develop, a porte cochere might be a good idea too, and then we can finally get the valet parking situation working right.


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Maybe this is just me being a spineless liberal, but I actually think it might be a good idea to install a handicapped access system at Church. A True Christian one, of course. We could just get a Pastor to come outside whenever a cripple wanted to come in, lay hands on them, and perform a Faith Healing. That way, we could personally test whether God Himself wanted each individual crippled visitor to be able to get in or not.


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 01:20 PM

Excellent idea! I am glad our wonderful pastors didn't cave in to the liberals demanding that cripples be given access. I supported the removal of ramps in town and I support this.

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What on earth would a disabled person be doing in a Church ?
Exactly! The Bible is quite clear that cripples have no place in church.

Leviticus 21:16-25:
16And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 17Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
22He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
23Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
24And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.

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Maybe this is just me being a spineless liberal, but I actually think it might be a good idea to install a handicapped access system at Church. A True Christian one, of course. We could just get a Pastor to come outside whenever a cripple wanted to come in, lay hands on them, and perform a Faith Healing. That way, we could personally test whether God Himself wanted each individual crippled visitor to be able to get in or not.
That is a perfect handicapped access. If the cripple is healed then the Lord wants him to enter, if he's not healed then he should be turned away.


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What on earth would a disabled person be doing in a Church ?
Hopefully praying for forgiveness.

That is, if God lets them in.


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Maybe this is just me being a spineless liberal, but I actually think it might be a good idea to install a handicapped access system at Church. A True Christian one, of course. We could just get a Pastor to come outside whenever a cripple wanted to come in, lay hands on them, and perform a Faith Healing. That way, we could personally test whether God Himself wanted each individual crippled visitor to be able to get in or not.
Ew. It would have to be a guest pastor like Rev. Rodimer or something. I couldn't bring myself to touch those freaks. They're just gross. I don't want to catch the cripple off them.

At any rate, our church policy has been and shall remain: No ramps in God's Favorite Church!


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 02:02 PM

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say ANYTHING about making things "handicapped accessible". I would even go as far as to say that by doing so, we would be encouraging the so called "handicapped" to continue being lazy. I once suffered a knee injury and I don't recall seeing special parking or ramps for the crutches I had to use. It only strengthened my resolve to ask God to heal my knee so that I may return to being a productive member of society.

Things like wheelchair ramps and handicapped parking are yet another attempt by the Kenyan Usurper to turn this into a nanny state and further our reliance on government handouts. I for one, want nothing to do with it. Parking should be based on merit and hard work, not these so called "handicaps".


It starts with parking and ramps, then this slippery slope leads to Maobama sending his brown shirts to confiscate my canned goods, gold coins and gun collection.


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 02:16 PM

It doesn't even make sense.

If they're in a wheelchair, shouldn't their parking spots be in the farthest corners of the lot? They get the luxury of just rolling in, while the rest of us have to actually put in the effort of walking.

So what if there are a few steps before the entrance? Are they too proud to crawl before the LORD?

I bet they'd climb over a few steps for some oxycodone!

Any righteous cripple should be proud to leave their comfortable chair and slink over the steps like a slug to lie outside the door and hear the joyous words of redemption from within.
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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 01-11-2011, 11:26 PM

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It doesn't even make sense.

If they're in a wheelchair, shouldn't their parking spots be in the farthest corners of the lot? They get the luxury of just rolling in, while the rest of us have to actually put in the effort of walking.

So what if there are a few steps before the entrance? Are they too proud to crawl before the LORD?

I bet they'd climb over a few steps for some oxycodone!

Any righteous cripple should be proud to leave their comfortable chair and slink over the steps like a slug to lie outside the door and hear the joyous words of redemption from within.
I don't think there are any righteous cripples. If they were righteous they wouldn't be cripples. But it's a moot point. Whatever their righteousness quotient turns out to be, they're not allowed in The Lord's assembly. Full Stop.

But the question might bear examination, and there is one - and only one that I am aware of the pastors will advise if there are others - instance of such a persona non grata being impaired for reason other than God's smiting sin:

John 9
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And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.


Clearly he was still smitten, but God smote him from birth (usually the result of sexual impropriety), throughout his childhood and as he was growing up enduring the taunts of other young men his own age who were able to seek wives, listening to the proud and happy laughter of young fathers in the company of their legitimate heirs (while he knew only shame and abandonment), hearing about the exploits and business successes of those from whom he sought alms and enduring the indignity of dogs urinating on him because of God's Perfect Love and to show us how the His works might be made manifest not only in this wretched blind beggar but in the whole world!
Shout Glory!

But whether smitten by God for your own sins, for the sin of your great-grandfather

Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation

or prohibited due your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather's bevaviour:

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

or ethnicity:

Deuteronomy 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

whether because of injury (for example sustained in battle):

Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

or congenital defect:

Leviticus 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous

you are NOT INCLUDED when the Psalmist says:

Psalm 100:2 Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.

nor invited, when you hear:

Psalm Chapter 122:1 I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.

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If they're in a wheelchair, shouldn't their parking spots be in the farthest corners of the lot? They get the luxury of just rolling in, while the rest of us have to actually put in the effort of walking.
There shouldn't BE any "special" parking spots! Haven't you read the thread? Haven't you read Mr Dewitt's post? They DON'T get the luxury of "rolling in" they don't get to come in at all! They ARE EXCLUDED - not by us, but by God.

Deformed or injured persons sat outside begging from people who were allowed inside - whether the Temple in Jerusalem or the Tabernacle, or the Presence Of The Lord as otherwise located during any interim phases that may have occurred.

Acts 3
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Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.


Once healed this crippled person enjoyed a change of status.
Similarly, the blind beggar:

John 9:8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?
read about the Pharisees HERE . .

But there is also spiritual blindness. Today's vatican mirrors the unbelief of ancient jewry just as much as the false "christianity" of demonic sects (Presbyterianism for example) and although Jesus addressed The Jews, His words condemn all false shepherds:

John 9
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And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.



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Ms. MitzaLizalor, your charity in taking time out of your busy day to respond to my misinformed chittering is humbling.

To inhabit the same thread as you has truly been a remarkable experience... to garner an eloquent reply from you is more than I ever dreamed of. To receive an actual Bible lesson from you? Well, my heart swells with gratitude.

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I am only posting what The Bible says (replete with typos!) and don't offer any sort of opinion or instruction. But thank you for your kind words.

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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 07-30-2021, 06:18 PM

I was pleased to read that Christians, as a group, are not making their buildings handicapped accessible.

Though there are many "Christian" groups that are liberal and might be vulnerable to the propaganda about "equal access" and "equal opportunity," most are not offering this garbage. Kuddos to Christians near and far. God does not want the handicapped in His church, and, we don't either.


During Disability Pride, Religious institutions still behind on accessibility (religionnews.com)


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 07-30-2021, 06:41 PM

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I was pleased to read that Christians, as a group, are not making their buildings handicapped accessible.

Though there are many "Christian" groups that are liberal and might be vulnerable to the propaganda about "equal access" and "equal opportunity," most are not offering this garbage. Kuddos to Christians near and far. God does not want the handicapped in His church, and, we don't either.


During Disability Pride, Religious institutions still behind on accessibility (religionnews.com)
Considering how much time and effort Jesus put forth to heal the "disabled"* (though I guess it was actually easy for Him since He is God.) you would think more people would understand that remaining blind, or deaf or lame while claiming to believe in Jesus is a damning condemnation of one's faith.

There's a reason that you are stuck with your condition, folks! God would heal you if you believed fervently enough.


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* How is it that you can read the word, "crippled" in the Bible, but people get all up in arms, (including those without arms) about using that word to describe people who can't walk and do other stuff?


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Default Re: Handicapped Access? Not at LBC. Not ever. - 07-31-2021, 04:02 AM

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Considering how much time and effort Jesus put forth to heal the "disabled" (though I guess it was actually easy for Him since He is God) you would think more people would understand that remaining blind, or deaf or lame while claiming to believe in Jesus is a damning condemnation of one's faith.
Not only do they want to remove hymns challenging their unbelief, they consider Scripture to be harmful! Jesus explained that He was returning to Heaven but that Christians would inherit His mantle. There was a precedent for that, Elisha taking over from Elijah when the latter also rose aloft.

II Kings 2:7-8, 11-13 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground … And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan

FIFTY WITNESSES! This is one way we know where Heaven is. Elijah did return to earth at one point, not as a hindoo reincarnation but as himself. Moses likewise. How would that be possible if they were not alive?

Matthew 17:2-3 [Jesus] was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias [Greek spelling of Elijah] talking with him.

There were three witnesses to that but more important is the healing power available to believers. Scripture records so many examples as well as promises on this that to think otherwise really would involve dismissing Biblical accounts as false.

II Kings 13:20-21 And Elisha died, and they buried him. And the bands of the Moabites invaded the land at the coming in of the year. And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.
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