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Originally Posted by Dagda
I don't have a position other than I think you guys are wacked. I'm not religious so uh. What exactly do you want me to debate?
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LUKE
11:9-13 [Jesus speaking] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
KJV .. context
This is not a debate forum. However, you did raise some points regarding the voice or more particularly about language. There are several reasons why a person might not be able to speak. Perhaps while watching someone chop wood the head could fly off the axe and strike me in the neck, with no voice box I would then be mute but that is not demon possession.
The Bible explains how other forms of aphasia are caused by devils. Luke, as a doctor, knew about the difference and included the above passage as an example of Jesus' authority over the hadean denizens. Satan's victim in this case was capable of lanuage but was occupied by a devil which was not itself capable. Jesus was very clear on the point.
He was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. Christians are compassionate people but even if we were not, Jesus explains, we would know not to feed scorpions to those requesting eggs. There are just two types pf person:
- Christians
- Evil people
But if a person cannot speak, how can I tell what they want? Well they might write it down or do Makaton or something—"eat" is part of stage one vocabulary in Makaton, that is the most basic level—but aphasic demons often have universal effect on an individual's language skill eliminating it altogether.
The program you've described enables sampled voice data to be retrieved and played in a predetermined order with a pitch element included. Other methods have also been developed, for example by assigning words to buttons or across a keyboard
The blue section relates to drinks.even a person not understanding language at all will learn that by pressing the blue triangle they'll get a drink. Not a scorpion. This is a very simple example and the most effective results are with words making someone laugh. Learning is very rapid in that case and two people could be encouraged to assign words (or other sounds such as explosions) to make one another laugh. Apparently swear words are rather popular because aphasics are not otherwise able to swear. But now they can! They like it because of the effect it has on other people and for that to work they need to recognise that other people are, indeed, other. That can be very valuable for developing Theory Of Mind where the asperger demon is active.
No doubt in one of your songs you could assign swear words, profanities and blasphemy to be retrieved and played back at different pitches too. But is it edifying? About as edifying as great clawed demonic monsters cruising to see if anyone's in the market for a blast of nostril fire or having a rock dropped on their head.
What these people need is Bibles. Once they accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour the demons will depart. They will speak and interact effectively with others. There are many other examples of Jesus casting out these demons (and other types too) attested by a medical professional in the case of Luke. That is very strong evidence for me. Jesus also healed sickness. But this is not sickness. This is reality.
And just as we know that Jesus is now in Heaven because His departure thence was witnessed (again recorded by Luke and attested by many others) so we can be just as certain that all these demon possessed wretches are headed directly for
HELL. After a lifetime of suffering.
God loves us however and has made a way for us to be Redeemed from perdition and by reading The Bible we learn just how sure a hope that promise really is.
Why hitch your dinghy to a riverboat of lies?