[Zarachiel]

Hello, I'm new to these forums, and to the notion of God. I am an engineer, and have had the principles of science ingrained in me for some time. I want to be saved, but I am having trouble divorcing my grasp of "science" from my world view, and placing my faith and belief in God.

[Hallowedbythyname]

Hello Zarachiel!

I too am new to religion and come from a similar background. I sympathise with your plight but hopefully I can help.

When I decided that I needed a change I simply asked myself and god to make that happen. Its not as miraculous as modern media would have you believe, I found the experience similar to jumping from an unknown ledge. That is where faith came into the equation. I have faith that my heavenly father has nothing but the best intentions for me, whether they are apparent or otherwise. I am reading the bible when I can, admittedly, its slow going. and im taking my time. There are still moderately sinful things I do (i think) that I am slowly learning to phase out.

Its not easy, but through hard work we prevail. That work shall set you free my friend!

[Brother Harold Porter]

Originally Posted by Zarachiel

Hello, I'm new to these forums, and to the notion of God. I am an engineer, and have had the principles of science ingrained in me for some time. I want to be saved, but I am having trouble divorcing my grasp of "science" from my world view, and placing my faith and belief in God.

Welcome friend!

We love science! There is no conflict; when science disagrees with God's Word, science is wrong.

As you come to Christ, you will see why the KJV Bible answers all that science seeks in conjecture and theory.

In Jesus!

[Get Real Bro]

Originally Posted by Brother Harold Porter

Welcome friend!

We love science! There is no conflict; when science disagrees with God's Word, science is wrong.

As you come to Christ, you will see why the KJV Bible answers all that science seeks in conjecture and theory.

In Jesus!

According to you.

Bible equals God's word. -> "Bible: Earth is flat, Science: Earth is round."
Science = True
Bible = True

So the earth is a square.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zarachiel

Hello, I'm new to these forums, and to the notion of God. I am an engineer, and have had the principles of science ingrained in me for some time. I want to be saved, but I am having trouble divorcing my grasp of "science" from my world view, and placing my faith and belief in God.

What is it that you believe that contradicts the Bible? Tell us that and we can help you.

[believer001]

...if the science contradicts the bible, than the Bible's wrong. Plain and simple. It's one thing to say the Bible implies spiritual meaning in its words, but it's a whole new level of crazy to take the things it says literally.

[Zarachiel]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob Jenkins

What is it that you believe that contradicts the Bible? Tell us that and we can help you.

I believe in modern physics(gravity, quantum mechanics, etc.), that races are all equal, that the Earth is several billion years old, and that the theory of evolution has a large amount of evidence supporting its credibility.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by believer001

...if the science contradicts the bible, than the Bible's wrong.

Of course not. If science contradicts the Holy Bible, then it is science that is wrong!

[Tubba Blubba]

And for that matter, if logic contradicts the Holy Bible (KJV1611) then logic is wrong.

Matthew 5:18 (King James Version)
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by believer001

...if the science contradicts the bible, than the Bible's wrong. Plain and simple. It's one thing to say the Bible implies spiritual meaning in its words, but it's a whole new level of crazy to take the things it says literally.

How long have you been an atheist?

[A Follower]

Originally Posted by Zarachiel

I believe in modern physics(gravity, quantum mechanics, etc.), that races are all equal, that the Earth is several billion years old, and that the theory of evolution has a large amount of evidence supporting its credibility.

Your first words betray you: "I believe"... If you were a scientist you would test theories, you would kill a cat in a box and then revive it and claim to have proven quantum mechanics, but just like all science believers you are all talk and no action. There is no such thing as scientists, you are religious but instead of acknowledging God you put your trust in fallible humans.

Science, like gravity has been proven wrong time and time again. Newton has been proven wrong, Einstein has been proven wrong, and even the dark matter believers are likely wrong.

Even your belief that all races are equal is demonstrably idiocy. Do you honestly claim blacks have the same skin color as whites? Do you actually think chinks aren't slant-eyed? Do you reject the notion that because the United States is the whitest nation on earth it is the most intelligent and successful nation?

The theory of evolution has absolutely no evidence supporting it. It is purely based on conjecture, no scientist has ever evolved a monkey into a human, nor has any scientist evolved a fish into a lizard, or even dust into bacteria.

[Jo Freddie]

Originally Posted by believer001

it's a whole new level of crazy to take the things it says literally.

The sort of Crazy is nothing new. Were you not paying attention in your history lessons at school?

[Get Real Bro]

Originally Posted by A Follower

Your first words betray you: "I believe"... If you were a scientist you would test theories, you would kill a cat in a box and then revive it and claim to have proven quantum mechanics, but just like all science believers you are all talk and no action. There is no such thing as scientists, you are religious but instead of acknowledging God you put your trust in fallible humans.

Science, like gravity has been proven wrong time and time again. Newton has been proven wrong, Einstein has been proven wrong, and even the dark matter believers are likely wrong.

Even your belief that all races are equal is demonstrably idiocy. Do you honestly claim blacks have the same skin color as whites? Do you actually think chinks aren't slant-eyed? Do you reject the notion that because the United States is the whitest nation on earth it is the most intelligent and successful nation?

The theory of evolution has absolutely no evidence supporting it. It is purely based on conjecture, no scientist has ever evolved a monkey into a human, nor has any scientist evolved a fish into a lizard, or even dust into bacteria.

You make a gullible point although I'd like to point out that research is actually done, in the recent years scientists have discovered new elements such as Ununbuntium which I think was highly unstable like the rest of the un-named atoms which often have a number 100 and above. Quantum mechanics have been proven by the way our technology has developed over the past years. You can clearly see that the way TV works, the way we calculate how we travel to the moon, everything that has something to do with technology - advanced calculations and theories have been pulled in to make it succesful, the people executing/designing these technological objects do not try to make one after another to find the correct one, they use science, real science.

Please, provide evidence, I've done some research and it didn't show any articles written by highly educated scientists. Why do you think light bends around black holes? Why are black holes black? It has everything to do with gravity. If there was no gravity then out galaxy would fall apart and out solar system too. Newton and Einstein proven wrong? Do you even know one of their theories without looking it up? Einstein's most famous theory of E=MC^2 has been proven to be correct by studying the sun and by the particle accellerator of CERN, they converted neutrons to protons which are slightly lighter, making the overall mass lighter and which in terms released the energy exactly as Einstein's formula tells us.

About Isaac Newton, his theory of F=MA has been proven to be correct by the people designing rockets and airplanes and people who usually work with physics. "Force" equals Matter(mass in Kg) multiplied by accelleration which is measured in m/s^2. The unit for force is called Newton.

Dark matter is still a conjecture.

I think Ireland happens to be the whitest nation on earth with a percentage of approximately 99. On the subject of race I happen to be slightly on your side, although not because god loves white people but because I think white people on average are smarter and better developed to create and succesfully develop a well oiled society. I would like to say that the US is certainly not the most succesful nation as it is being torn down by the ever increasing muslims, negroes and mestizos which are all scum of the Earth in my honest opinion. Jews too (Yes, they are an ethnic group too).

Scientists can not evolve things, nature does so that the creature adapts to their seroundings which often become more dangerous, sometimes they have to become resistant against something. Also, dust is not made up of living matter, maybe organic matter such as Carbon but if you fill an arena full of dust and hermetically seal it then after millions of years there would be no change except maybe in density caused by gravity.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

Also, dust is not made up of living matter, maybe organic matter such as Carbon but if you fill an arena full of dust and hermetically seal it then after millions of years there would be no change except maybe in density caused by gravity.

Ah, so you agree that the "germ theory of disease" is meaningless twaddle, and these "microorganisms" and "fungus spores" scientists constantly yammer on about don't really exist.

Thank you!

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

I think Ireland happens to be the whitest nation on earth with a percentage of approximately 99. On the subject of race I happen to be slightly on your side, although not because god loves white people but because I think white people on average are smarter and better developed to create and succesfully develop a well oiled society. I would like to say that the US is certainly not the most succesful nation as it is being torn down by the ever increasing muslims, negroes and mestizos which are all scum of the Earth in my honest opinion. Jews too (Yes, they are an ethnic group too).

You're a fucking ignorant racist. There's an insult for ya. Happy, now?

[Lisa H]

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

You make a gullible point although I'd like to point out that research is actually done, ...

Look mommy. I can write in different colors

[Get Real Bro]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

Ah, so you agree that the "germ theory of disease" is meaningless twaddle, and these "microorganisms" and "fungus spores" scientists constantly yammer on about don't really exist.

Thank you!

I think you mis-understood me

[BelieverInGod]

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

You make a gullible point although I'd like to point out that research is actually done, in the recent years scientists have discovered new elements such as Ununbuntium which I think was highly unstable like the rest of the un-named atoms which often have a number 100 and above.

So now we've decided to try changing colors and fonts in hopes of coming across as more intelligent? Or is this just the color that it was on the page that you plagiarized it from? Ununbuntium wasn't "discovered" as a previously unknown element, it was created in a laboratory. I also really like that you think it is an "un-named atom", even though it has a name.

Quantum mechanics have been proven by the way our technology has developed over the past years. You can clearly see that the way TV works, the way we calculate how we travel to the moon, everything that has something to do with technology - advanced calculations and theories have been pulled in to make it succesful, the people executing/designing these technological objects do not try to make one after another to find the correct one, they use science, real science.

Please explain how theoretical science had anything to do with televisions or the so called trip to the moon. Quantum mechanics does not mean the same thing as "advanced calculations".

Please, provide evidence, I've done some research and it didn't show any articles written by highly educated scientists. Why do you think light bends around black holes? Why are black holes black? It has everything to do with gravity. If there was no gravity then out galaxy would fall apart and out solar system too.

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Prove to me that black holes even exist. One has never been seen and they are only theoretically based on what people see through a telescope.

Newton and Einstein proven wrong? Do you even know one of their theories without looking it up? Einstein's most famous theory of E=MC^2 has been proven to be correct by studying the sun and by the particle accellerator of CERN, they converted neutrons to protons which are slightly lighter, making the overall mass lighter and which in terms released the energy exactly as Einstein's formula tells us.

To be honest, I probably do know more about their theories than you, and physics was my weak science. From your own secular sources
Einstein was wrong

About Isaac Newton, his theory of F=MA has been proven to be correct by the people designing rockets and airplanes and people who usually work with physics. "Force" equals Matter(mass in Kg) multiplied by accelleration which is measured in m/s^2. The unit for force is called Newton.

Newton was wrong

Dark matter is still a conjecture.

But we're just supposed to take your word for it.

I think Ireland happens to be the whitest nation on earth with a percentage of approximately 99. On the subject of race I happen to be slightly on your side, although not because god loves white people but because I think white people on average are smarter and better developed to create and succesfully develop a well oiled society. I would like to say that the US is certainly not the most succesful nation as it is being torn down by the ever increasing muslims, negroes and mestizos which are all scum of the Earth in my honest opinion. Jews too (Yes, they are an ethnic group too).

You do realize that you can be banned for racism on here.
Did you not bother with the introductory threads?
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=5610
Oh why am I asking, of course you didn't.

Scientists can not evolve things, nature does so that the creature adapts to their seroundings which often become more dangerous, sometimes they have to become resistant against something. Also, dust is not made up of living matter, maybe organic matter such as Carbon but if you fill an arena full of dust and hermetically seal it then after millions of years there would be no change except maybe in density caused by gravity.

So an animal decides to evolve, because the surroundings have become more dangerous? Really?

As for the dust, then you've just disproved your own argument. If the dust cannot evolve, then it would have to have some sort of supernatural interaction to turn it into life, therefore you need God.

Gee, isn't science fun

[James Hutchins]

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What is a gullible point? Is that a foolish pile of word vomit like you spewed?

By the way, Newton is a cookie

[A Follower]

Excellent, while the original poster was shamed into disappearing you just take over. I love it how all you atheists are equally retarded and fully interchangeable.

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

You make a gullible point although I'd like to point out that research is actually done, in the recent years scientists have discovered new elements such as Ununbuntium which I think was highly unstable like the rest of the un-named atoms which often have a number 100 and above. Quantum mechanics have been proven by the way our technology has developed over the past years. You can clearly see that the way TV works, the way we calculate how we travel to the moon, everything that has something to do with technology - advanced calculations and theories have been pulled in to make it succesful, the people executing/designing these technological objects do not try to make one after another to find the correct one, they use science, real science.

Really, scientists have created ununbuntium? Could you please show me some? Or did it just disappear right after they "created" it? Kid, you have fallen for a well known scientist tactic of lying. They never actually created anything, God is the Creator, only He creates.

Romans 1:22,25
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [...] 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Quantum mechanics has not been proven. The reviled nazi Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger who invented quantum mechanics stated that if QM were true you would be able to put a cat into a box, kill it, sprinkle it with magic quantum dust and it would live again. No scientist has managed to do this, rational thought and logic also obviously make it clear QM cannot be true.

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

Please, provide evidence, I've done some research and it didn't show any articles written by highly educated scientists. Why do you think light bends around black holes? Why are black holes black? It has everything to do with gravity. If there was no gravity then out galaxy would fall apart and out solar system too. Newton and Einstein proven wrong? Do you even know one of their theories without looking it up? Einstein's most famous theory of E=MC^2 has been proven to be correct by studying the sun and by the particle accellerator of CERN, they converted neutrons to protons which are slightly lighter, making the overall mass lighter and which in terms released the energy exactly as Einstein's formula tells us.

Dark matter is still a conjecture.

Unlike you I am not a science-believer. I have actually read the heathen theories and know them for the lies they are.

No one has ever seen a black hole, they are a supposition, not a fact.
There is no need for gravity to keep the firmament that covers the earth in place, nor is it needed for the lights that are placed in the firmament.

Yes, Newton and Einstein proven wrong. Einstein proved Newton's theory of gravity was wrong. Einstein has been proven wrong as well through the dark matter-conjecture. Either Einstein is wrong about his replacement gravity theory (known as "general relativity") because dark matter does not exist and all his equations make no sense or his theory of what the universe is composed of is wrong. But most likely everything he has said and done is wrong.

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

About Isaac Newton, his theory of F=MA has been proven to be correct by the people designing rockets and airplanes and people who usually work with physics. "Force" equals Matter(mass in Kg) multiplied by accelleration which is measured in m/s^2. The unit for force is called Newton.

F=ma is not a theory, just like a kilogram is not a theory. It's a name but it doesn't prove anything, it's a wrong measurement of force. Please use horsepower for force measures in the future (and shekels or pounds for weight measurements).

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

I think Ireland happens to be the whitest nation on earth with a percentage of approximately 99. On the subject of race I happen to be slightly on your side, although not because god loves white people but because I think white people on average are smarter and better developed to create and succesfully develop a well oiled society. I would like to say that the US is certainly not the most succesful nation as it is being torn down by the ever increasing muslims, negroes and mestizos which are all scum of the Earth in my honest opinion. Jews too (Yes, they are an ethnic group too).

Irish are a vomit-stained green, they're a bunch of alcoholic leprechauns, they certainly are not 99% White Americans. And please cut down on the racism, negros are black because they hate God. And God punishes them with misfortune for their hatred.

Originally Posted by Get Real Bro

Scientists can not evolve things, nature does so that the creature adapts to their seroundings which often become more dangerous, sometimes they have to become resistant against something. Also, dust is not made up of living matter, maybe organic matter such as Carbon but if you fill an arena full of dust and hermetically seal it then after millions of years there would be no change except maybe in density caused by gravity.

So if scientists can't replicate evolution, then how is evolution proven? Isn't the scientist dogma that their theories are supposed to be testable and repeatable?

It is indeed truly ridiculous that scientists think that leaving a bit of dust laying around for a few million years makes it turn into bacteria. I am happy you admit that life could not have come to be without God's intervention. There may be hope for you yet, go read the KJV1611 as soon as possible, before God smites you and it is too late.