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Default Re: Mars - 02-17-2012, 10:46 PM

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Thank you - I can't find the thread/post where it said God was wrong to say what he did in DAY 2 and DAY 6 but I do not say that and I don't tell lies. I do put what I think, at the time, and ask "why" or "how" and do read what you have to say too. I'll go and look at my nerve aid for a bit now, it's a great help I find as if a thought goes in one side and then something happens and a new thought comes out at you from the other side. It just takes 2 or 3 hours.

I've got a few more here if you'd like to try them out I could send 1 or 2 (but I can't post on your home page)
Mr. Ski, those poisonous mushrooms God put on this Earth were for breaking down dead wood, not for eating and taking your mind off of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer

I'm not sure what kind of creature I'm appearing to you as right now, but I can assure you, you need to stop altering that mind of yours and start filling it with the Word of God!

Praise Jesus!


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Well I have to say I'm shocked by the direspectfull tone of the above Adamski post and am (as ever) in awe of Pastor Zeke's thoughtful and measured response.

Kudos to you, sir; kudos!

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Default Re: Mars - 02-18-2012, 06:15 AM

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Mr. Ski, those poisonous mushrooms God put on this Earth were for breaking down dead wood, not for eating and taking your mind off of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Peter 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer

I'm not sure what kind of creature I'm appearing to you as right now, but I can assure you, you need to stop altering that mind of yours and start filling it with the Word of God!

Praise Jesus!
Oh, I don't drink, Bib. And I do heed what you all say. If there's a bit I don't "get" I ask you, what you think - and you tell me. I don't do that to be "rude" or "crass" but to find out. Your book is Old and I'm keen to see what you'll say some parts mean. I'm not so daft as to go and ask at a Zen school. I ask you. And there's much more I'd like to know so please bear with me. You do make me think, I must say and when I use the nerve aid it assists me in processing all the interesting comments I receive.

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Oh, I don't drink, Bib. And I do heed what you all say. If there's a bit I don't "get" I ask you, what you think - and you tell me. I don't do that to be "rude" or "crass" but to find out. Your book is Old and I'm keen to see what you'll say some parts mean. I'm not so daft as to go and ask at a Zen school. I ask you. And there's much more I'd like to know so please bear with me. You do make me think, I must say and when I use the nerve aid it assists me in processing all the interesting comments I receive.

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Why do you need to ask us what we think? What God thinks is there in the Bible. Oh yes, I forgot, you're desperate to twist scripture to mean space aliens.

Just read it! It means what it says.



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Why do you need to ask us what we think? What God thinks is there in the Bible. Oh yes, I forgot, you're desperate to twist scripture to mean space aliens.

Just read it! It means what it says.
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I can't do that Red due to the fact that I don't think there's a "god" to pray to. Do you want me to lie? It would be a lie for me to pray, and I don't lie to you (which is why you give me bad rep.) so why should I lie to God?

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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning

That is a place, not a time. We don't know where that place is but we do know when it was

Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God made the plants and put them on the Earth, but first there were 4 things that took place
#1. get rid of the mist that went up from the Earth (science knows that this is true)
#2. cause it to rain (science knows this too)
#3. make Man
#4. plant a garden
verse 5 tells us that the plants were made FIRST, #1 #2 #3 #4 CAME NEXT (if you want to rule out #4 and just have 3 things, I don't mind) but the point, God's point, is plain. The plants were not hung in the sky til #1 #2 #3 and #4 were done were they?

We are told where they were.

Genesis 2:10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. 11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. 13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. 14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

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When men go to new lands they name things for some place "at home" and it's the same here, on the Earth. A new "York" would get "New York" say but lakes and things tend to get new names so it's no big deal that we named things like that when we got here (Earth) from X (where we were when God did #1 #2 #3 #4) and that we can't find them now. They're not here. That's what your book says so I take that on board. Hope that helps.

But the big thing for me is, where would we go when we died?

Acts 1: 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

PLEASE NOTE: I have not used the words "space man" or "star trek"

Now you say that where he went, we will go too. Where did those two white men come from? How did they get here? And if he went up at the speed we walk, he'd now be at Mars. I DO NOT THINK HE'S ON MARS but I do think it means the same place as where the plants were made.

Bear in mind that Man was the LAST THING put on the Earth and that man was made when there were no plants ON THE EARTH (and I don't think they'd just hang in the air til God came to plant them).

God taught men from a time when there were no men on Earth (and no Earth)

Proverbs 8:22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

We don't know where that was but we know it had a name and that it is a place (not a time). We are told it's where we are bound (a place) at the end of time (a time).

Jeremiah 17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.

Which is where we came in, I think.


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I can't do that Red due to the fact that I don't think there's a "god" to pray to. Do you want me to lie? It would be a lie for me to pray, and I don't lie to you (which is why you give me bad rep.) so why should I lie to God?



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning

That is a place, not a time. We don't know where that place is but we do know when it was

Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God made the plants and put them on the Earth, but first there were 4 things that took place
#1. get rid of the mist that went up from the Earth (science knows that this is true)
#2. cause it to rain (science knows this too)
#3. make Man
#4. plant a garden
verse 5 tells us that the plants were made FIRST, #1 #2 #3 #4 CAME NEXT (if you want to rule out #4 and just have 3 things, I don't mind) but the point, God's point, is plain. The plants were not hung in the sky til #1 #2 #3 and #4 were done were they?

We are told where they were.

Genesis 2:10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. 11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. 13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. 14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

LINK

When men go to new lands they name things for some place "at home" and it's the same here, on the Earth. A new "York" would get "New York" say but lakes and things tend to get new names so it's no big deal that we named things like that when we got here (Earth) from X (where we were when God did #1 #2 #3 #4) and that we can't find them now. They're not here. That's what your book says so I take that on board. Hope that helps.

But the big thing for me is, where would we go when we died?

Acts 1: 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

PLEASE NOTE: I have not used the words "space man" or "star trek"

Now you say that where he went, we will go too. Where did those two white men come from? How did they get here? And if he went up at the speed we walk, he'd now be at Mars. I DO NOT THINK HE'S ON MARS but I do think it means the same place as where the plants were made.

Bear in mind that Man was the LAST THING put on the Earth and that man was made when there were no plants ON THE EARTH (and I don't think they'd just hang in the air til God came to plant them).

God taught men from a time when there were no men on Earth (and no Earth)

Proverbs 8:22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

We don't know where that was but we know it had a name and that it is a place (not a time). We are told it's where we are bound (a place) at the end of time (a time).

Jeremiah 17:12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.

Which is where we came in, I think.
Can anyone make a head nor tail of this scripture twisting?



Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

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Yes. I can. The place where "god" "made" us is not The Earth and it is the same place as where he says we'll all be when "time" has lapsed and all the stars, too.

Revelation 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind

Think: BIG CRUNCH. That describes exactly what the Big Crunch would look like from The Earth. In the Big Bang, all the stars get far far apart. In the Big Crunch they draw near again and from The Earth it would seem that they were due to "land" on the ground. The sun will have gone out by then. How did John know that?


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Yes. I can. The place where "god" "made" us is not The Earth and it is the same place as where he says we'll all be when "time" has lapsed and all the stars, too.

Revelation 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind

Think: BIG CRUNCH. That describes exactly what the Big Crunch would look like from The Earth. In the Big Bang, all the stars get far far apart. In the Big Crunch they draw near again and from The Earth it would seem that they were due to "land" on the ground. The sun will have gone out by then. How did John know that?
But that's just far fetched twaddle.
Revelation 6:12-17
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Give me something real I can believe in! Context!
Revelation 6:7-8
7And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
I suppose you're going to say the pale horse was a spaceship.



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Default Re: Mars - 02-19-2012, 12:08 AM

Adam, this is getting tedious. Why don't you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and then we can iron out the little details you seem so confused about?


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Revelation 21:1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Ssience doubts the "big crunch" but science is sold short. NEXT all of our world would fade to a dot in space, turn in side out and FOOOOM!!! a new Earth

You see I think that "the earth" means ALL the worlds, in 3D, the sun, the stars, all the life it hosts and that when the big crunch sucks us back in, black turns to white and a NEW heaven and a NEW earth spews forth, the next antimatter universe. Like the previous antimatter universe small fragments of which have carried over into our "matter" universe. And then trillions of years hence - a new matter universe, followed by a big crunch and a new antimatter big bang and so on. The oscillating universe. What we learn in out causal lives carries over too, per favour God as you might have it but I see this through a lens of mud. Yes it is so, but how is it so? I still think you have the answers buried somewhere. How did those ancients know truths we as yet merely glimpse?


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Adam, this is getting tedious. Why don't you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and then we can iron out the little details you seem so confused about?
What does that mean?


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Revelation 21:1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Ssience doubts the "big crunch" but science is sold short. NEXT all of our world would fade to a dot in space, turn in side out and FOOOOM!!! a new Earth

You see I think that "the earth" means ALL the worlds, in 3D, the sun, the stars, all the life it hosts and that when the big crunch sucks us back in, black turns to white and a NEW heaven and a NEW earth spews forth, the next antimatter universe. Like the previous antimatter universe small fragments of which have carried over into our "matter" universe. And then trillions of years hence - a new matter universe, followed by a big crunch and a new antimatter big bang and so on. The oscillating universe. What we learn in out causal lives carries over too, per favour God as you might have it but I see this through a lens of mud. Yes it is so, but how is it so? I still think you have the answers buried somewhere. How did those ancients know truths we as yet merely glimpse?
Right. You assert God doesn't exist.

By what means then did these bronze age tribesmen glean all this nonsense you speak of?

Oh, wait, they got it from God; who quite clearly contradicts your garbage with the rest of the Bible you ignore because it isn't prone to your silly twisting.



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What does that mean?
It means all your science fiction fantasies are distracting you from what's important, which is the fate of your soul.

Jesus Christ knows you're in danger of drowning, and he's throwing you a life preserver, desperately screaming for you to take hold of it! Can you imagine how troubling it is for Him to see that you would rather talk about Battlestar Galactica than allow Him to rescue you?


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Right. You assert God doesn't exist.
I don't think that as such. LINK
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I've not been up there to see. Have you?

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Same way they made bronze.

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Oh, wait, they got it from God; who quite clearly contradicts your garbage with the rest of the Bible you ignore because it isn't prone to your silly twisting.
I would like to know what you think, Red - I can read your book (and have read bits of it), can read science (and had to read some of it at work) and like you think "where did those bronze age men get their facts?"

Some of those facts are right but yes, most of them are "odd"

Since you read their book I thought I'd ask you AND you've all been a big help so far. Thanks


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So some borscht-eating idiot managed to get himself into low Earth orbit without getting his ship stuck in the firmament. What does that prove?

Supposing that God doesn't exist since you can't see Him is about as smart as saying electricity doesn't exist because you can't see it.


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Same way they made bronze.
So they got rocks, heated them up and out came knowledge?

Wouldn’t it simply be easier to believe in God?




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So they got rocks, heated them up and out came knowledge?

Wouldn’t it simply be easier to believe in God?
Not when you face iron.


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