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Default United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-01-2022, 02:50 AM

Much like the cathylicks with their new found obsession of synods - the Methodists are infected with polling to find out what everyone thinks God really intends. Rising to the occasion, there is the usual upset gaggle of hell bound lezbeans, homers, gender confused, drag queen promoters, menstrual equity seeking, tallywhacker whackers, and those that qualify for remedial education or mental institutions by insisting that men can get pregnant.

With the election of Trump in 2016, vast numbers of these undesirables along with the hellywood elites vowed to move to Canada. Needless to say, this never happened - perhaps because Canada is so depraved that none of them wanted them.

I also fear that Elon Musk's promise of "free speech" on Twitter is only going to encourage them - or maybe they're not that smart. Maybe they can be convinced to go fight for their "freedoms" in Ukraine.


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United Methodist Church split official as of today

Breakaway Global Methodist Church exasperated by liberal churches’ defiance of bans on same-sex marriage, ordination of openly gay clergy

By Holly Meyer and David Crary, Associated Press
Published: April 30, 2022, 1:27pm


The United Methodist Church’s Council of Bishops, ending a five-day meeting Friday, acknowledged the inevitable breakup of their denomination — a schism that will widen this weekend with the launch of a global movement led by theologically conservative Methodists.

The breakaway denomination, called the Global Methodist Church, will officially exist as of today. Its leaders have been exasperated by liberal churches’ continued defiance of UMC bans on same-sex marriage and the ordination of openly gay clergy.

Bishop Thomas Bickerton, who became the Council of Bishops’ new president Friday, described the launch of the new movement as a “sad and sobering reality.” Bickerton said he regrets any departure from the United Methodist Church and values the denomination’s diversity of thought.

“There is no perfect church,” he said. “The constant fighting, the vitriolic rhetoric, the punitive behaviors have no place in how we preserve and promote our witness as Christian believers.”

He said he prays the infighting will stop and the United Methodist Church will rediscover its mission to make disciples for Christ. He urged the United Methodist Church, even as it suffers defections, to think of May 1 as its launch day as well.

“We are the United Methodist Church not interested in continuing sexism, racism, homophobia, irrelevancy and decline,” he said. “What we are interested in is a discovery of what God has in mind for us on the horizon as the next expression of who we are as United Methodists.”

Bickerton, who heads the United Methodist Church’s New York City region, succeeded Louisiana-based Cynthia Fierro Harvey as president of the bishops’ council.

Harvey acknowledged the inevitable splintering of the denomination when she preached April 25 during her final address as the Council of Bishops president, “I also realize that it might be time to bless and send our sisters and brothers who cannot remain under the big tent.”

A leader of the breakaway movement indicated that today’s launch would take place with little fanfare.

“This is the date that we can start receiving churches as they leave the United Methodist Church, and that’s going to occur over a considerable amount of time,” said the Rev. Keith Boyette, chairman of the new denomination’s Transitional Leadership Council and a United Methodist minister in Virginia. “It’ll be more of a rolling celebration.”

Its transitional doctrine includes a belief that marriage is between one man and one woman, and clergy must adhere to it — a core point of division in the UMC for decades.

Boyette said he expects some churches and pastors to announce today that they are joining the Global Methodist Church. He will be among them.

“On May 1, I will no longer be a member of the United Methodist Church,” said Boyette, who has already been approved — effective today — as a clergyperson in the new denomination.

Boyette expects the ranks of the Global Methodist Church to grow over time, noting that some who want to join will wait until after the United Methodist Church’s 2024 General Conference — and the possible passage of a protocol that spells out details for the breakup.

Boyette criticized the actions of some members of the Council of Bishops, including the decision to further delay the General Conference. He suggested that some bishops are intentionally blocking churches from using certain processes for exiting the denomination.

Global Methodist Church organizers had originally expected to launch the denomination only after the next General Conference of the United Methodist Church. That legislative body is the only one that could approve a tentative agreement — unveiled in 2020 after negotiations between conservatives, liberals and centrists — to allow churches and regional groups to leave the denomination and keep their property.

But the General Conference, originally scheduled for 2020, was already delayed for two straight years by the pandemic. In March, the United Methodist Church announced it was pushing off the next gathering yet again — to 2024 — due to long delays in the U.S. processing of visa applications. A little more than half of the denomination’s members are overseas, notably in Africa and the Philippines.

The United Methodist Church claims 6.3 million members in the U.S. and 6.5 million overseas.

Differences over same-sex marriage and the ordination of LGBTQ clergy have simmered for years in the United Methodist Church, coming to a head in 2019 at a conference in St. Louis where delegates voted 438-384 to strengthen bans on LGBTQ-inclusive practices. Most U.S.-based delegates opposed that plan and favored LGBTQ-friendly options; they were outvoted by U.S. conservatives teamed with most of the delegates from Methodist strongholds in Africa and the Philippines.

In the aftermath of that meeting, many moderate and liberal clergy made clear they would not abide by the bans, and various groups worked on proposals to let the United Methodist Church split along theological lines.


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Default Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-01-2022, 10:34 AM

In a couple of years, they'll probably split again over whether Jesus existed. How can any religion call itself Christian while rejecting God's Holy Bible?


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Default Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-01-2022, 02:00 PM

I wish the factions would explain themselves directly so new members could calculate their individual chances for eternity in heaven. If they insist on using vague and meaningless labels like "United" or "Global", they could at least add a phrase explaining what they are about. Book titles do this. For example, a book title might be Rain: A Study of Why it Rains.

One of the two big factions of Methodist could be Global Methodists: Homerism is a Sin. Get Out.

The other would be United Methodists: We're Still Thinking About Sin. What do you think?


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Jesus Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-01-2022, 02:22 PM

When I was in NY City, I was invited to Godless New Jersey, where the local United Methodists were celebrating Pride month. Imagine how out of place I felt when I saw men holding hands with other men in the congregation. It ripped my super hetero soul to the core.

Perhaps I should have left right away but I thought I had a chance to reach one or more of the men and lead them to their knees. I recall the godless pastor quoting from a 1970s book. He said, “As long as it’s love, the Lord won’t mind. There is enough hate in the world already.” Blasphemy! Which Lord was he referring to? Then a lesbineal sort of woman came to the pulpit, (surprisingly not in plaid flannel with a CDL license hanging from her manly neck) where she glorified her “master” for a church where she and her life partner could be in the presence of Jesus and so many friends without pitchforks. They all chortled at that.

I am told this goes on at churches all over our nation. God has called me to reach out to the lost so we must love and pray for them. I was on my knees for one just last night, praise Jesus.


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Default Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-01-2022, 05:21 PM

I'm just a mere woman, but aren't they doing a bit of false advertising?


If Global Methodist Church is a split off group from the United Methodist Church, that means neither one of them is global nor united, right?
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If Global Methodist Church is a split off group from the United Methodist Church, that means neither one of them is global nor united, right?
So correct, Sister Basilissa. It would be much more accurate if each branch would just state their respective views on sin.


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Default Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-01-2022, 06:29 PM

I think this is a task for the Council of Bishops and the chairman of the Transitional Leadership Council to resolve at the Methodist Church’s 2024 General Conference, alongside other weighty theological concerns such as Leadership and Boldness in Decision Making. Hopefully it is available live on C-SPAN and in a DVD set to relive the debates afterwards.


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Default Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-02-2022, 07:53 PM

This whole sad chapter is a perfect illustration of what happens when you let Hollywood values rule your church rather than the Word of God. It turns out that there is a madness to their Methodism.


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Default Re: United Methodist Church - Not so United - 05-03-2022, 12:42 PM

I'm pretty sure they've ditched The Virgin Birth, maybe not the Wesleyans, many have stopped being Methodists altogether. Why not have a 96-hour techno-rave drug orgy kicking off sunset Friday and powering on? Tuesday? Might as well accommodate the "unlucky" few into Wednesday's breakfast bar fundraiser by which time whatever they imbibed last week's worn off and they'll consider buying some pot plants or attractively iced cakes.

Sound like Episcopalians or worse: Lutherans.

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