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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-07-2011, 02:50 PM

Here is more for for thought on the subject. Turns out Bill O'Reilly has been using this argument for a while. Here is Stephen Colbert's analysis:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...xrs=share_copy


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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-07-2011, 05:59 PM

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1) How can the moon pull water away from the Earth when the Earth has a stronger gravitational pull?
Plus, quite simply, if "the moon can pull water away from the Earth," then why is there no water on the moon?

It's the very "scientists" who cobble together this claptrap that went to the moon and reported there was no water there. They had to bring water with them to drink!
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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-07-2011, 06:00 PM

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Here is more for for thought on the subject. Turns out Bill O'Reilly has been using this argument for a while. Here is Stephen Colbert's analysis:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...xrs=share_copy
The fact that Bill O'Reilly repeats the same argument over and over just proves that it is more believable. If he said it only once or twice, it wouldn't have the same conviction.

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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-07-2011, 06:02 PM

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I always thought the tides were caused by the wind blowing the water on-shore.
Good point.

And what about the thousands of people and animals and motorboats that swim in the ocean daily? Do the scientists think that has zero effect?

They leave waves in their wake.
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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-09-2011, 08:47 PM

It's really quite pathetic to see the fumbling explanations of "scientists" and people on this forum taking a guess at explaining the mystery. We KNOW it is God's doing. END OF STORY.

You can't explain away God with your fancy talk and invisible gravitational forces. The so-called explanations are just Satan spreading doubt and confusion, do not fall for this old old trick.
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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-14-2011, 03:47 AM

Gotta say I am pretty shocked at the total lack of scientific understanding in this thread. I'll respond to the questions of one of the posters here to give you guys an idea how tides work:

1) How can the moon pull water away from the Earth when the Earth has a stronger gravitational pull?

You're right, Earth's gravity is stronger than the moon's - and the moon's gravity does not overcome the Earth's. If it did, water would float up to the moon. Instead, the moon's gravity only slightly counteracts Earth's gravity, causing the effective gravity on Earth's surface to be slightly weaker nearest the moon and stronger on other parts of Earth's surface. This causes a water 'bulge' which causes tides as the Earth rotates.

2) How can the moon overcome the sun's gravity, when the sun is even stronger than the Earth?

The sun does have an effect on tides, but a weaker one than the moon. This is because, as you suggested, the sun is so far away (NOT 500 miles!!! Seriously???) This distance means the sun's gravity, as felt from the Earth and moon, is pretty small.


3) If the moon is strong enough to pull water from a far-away planet, how come there is an absence of gravity on the moon?


The moon does have gravity, and it is most strongly felt on the moon's surface. Considering how weak the gravity is on the surface, it may seem surprising that the moon's gravity could have such a major impact on Earth's water. But the moon's gravity isn't actually all that weak. Too weak to hold an atmosphere, yes, but an atmosphere escapes to space pretty easily, given that it's made up of particles with such small mass. Even the Earth is slowly losing its atmosphere, although over a very long period of time. The astronauts were able to jump much higher on the moon, but nowhere even close to escape velocity, so there was definitely a significant amount of gravity.


The problem with the above three mistakes is they try to have it both ways in gravity. If object A is more powerful than B, A will exert influence on B, but not the other way around. A smaller object cannot affect a larger object. They say if you jump out of an airplane, it's the Earth's gravity pulling a smaller object (you) to the ground. Well, why don't we affect the Earth's gravity? Why don't we push the Earth back?


You're right, it's called Newton's Third Law. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. When you jump out of a plane, the Earth pulls you down, but you're also pulling the Earth up. But since you are so much smaller than the Earth, you hardly have any of your own gravity and hardly pull the Earth up at all (just an insignificant amount). So yes, a small object does affect a large object, but to a smaller degree than the large object affects the small object. Even the Earth does pull the sun around a little tiny bit as it orbits around it.
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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-14-2011, 04:23 AM

No-one cares about your false God Newt Gingrich. He can have 100 laws for all I care, there are already the 10 Commandments and that's plenty for me. Take your pagan rules and worship the moon or whatever it is you do on your way to eternal damnation.
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Didn't you hear what Bill O'Reilly said? "Tide goes in. Tide Goes Out...NEVER A MISCOMMUNICATION!"

We are talking about communication here, just as Bill said. There is communication going on and it is NEVER wrong! The tides happen right on time every time!


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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-17-2011, 02:33 PM

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Gotta say I am pretty shocked at the total lack of scientific understanding in this thread. I'll respond to the questions of one of the posters here to give you guys an idea how tides work:

1) How can the moon pull water away from the Earth when the Earth has a stronger gravitational pull?

You're right, Earth's gravity is stronger than the moon's - and the moon's gravity does not overcome the Earth's. If it did, water would float up to the moon. Instead, the moon's gravity only slightly counteracts Earth's gravity, causing the effective gravity on Earth's surface to be slightly weaker nearest the moon and stronger on other parts of Earth's surface. This causes a water 'bulge' which causes tides as the Earth rotates.

2) How can the moon overcome the sun's gravity, when the sun is even stronger than the Earth?

The sun does have an effect on tides, but a weaker one than the moon. This is because, as you suggested, the sun is so far away (NOT 500 miles!!! Seriously???) This distance means the sun's gravity, as felt from the Earth and moon, is pretty small.


3) If the moon is strong enough to pull water from a far-away planet, how come there is an absence of gravity on the moon?


The moon does have gravity, and it is most strongly felt on the moon's surface. Considering how weak the gravity is on the surface, it may seem surprising that the moon's gravity could have such a major impact on Earth's water. But the moon's gravity isn't actually all that weak. Too weak to hold an atmosphere, yes, but an atmosphere escapes to space pretty easily, given that it's made up of particles with such small mass. Even the Earth is slowly losing its atmosphere, although over a very long period of time. The astronauts were able to jump much higher on the moon, but nowhere even close to escape velocity, so there was definitely a significant amount of gravity.


The problem with the above three mistakes is they try to have it both ways in gravity. If object A is more powerful than B, A will exert influence on B, but not the other way around. A smaller object cannot affect a larger object. They say if you jump out of an airplane, it's the Earth's gravity pulling a smaller object (you) to the ground. Well, why don't we affect the Earth's gravity? Why don't we push the Earth back?


You're right, it's called Newton's Third Law. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. When you jump out of a plane, the Earth pulls you down, but you're also pulling the Earth up. But since you are so much smaller than the Earth, you hardly have any of your own gravity and hardly pull the Earth up at all (just an insignificant amount). So yes, a small object does affect a large object, but to a smaller degree than the large object affects the small object. Even the Earth does pull the sun around a little tiny bit as it orbits around it.
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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 01-17-2011, 03:30 PM

Bill O'Reilly is a soldier for Christ! I pray that one day he kicks the pope in the ass and becomes a Christian!
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If the moon was able to pull water to one side, it would rush over the firmament to the bowels of the Earth. Secondly, my glass of water kept by my bedside would be fallen on its' side every day when I wake. This has never happened. So with the gift that God gave me of sight, I can say with 100% certainty that the moon does not 'pull water to one side or bulge in the glass'.


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Secondly, my glass of water kept by my bedside would be fallen on its' side every day when I wake. This has never happened.
Such an obvious point. Why didn't we all think of that? Only a True Christian™ could have come up with such an elegant proof!

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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 02-10-2011, 06:38 PM

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I thought everyone knew what causes the tides.

When God created the earth 6000 years ago, when he poured the waters into the oceans they naturally sloshed a little bit, just like the water in your bath tub does when you get in. 6000 years later, the seas are still sloshing a bit, and they will continue to do so for a very long time. The sloshing in your bathtub dies out quickly because the bath tub is so small, the oceans are HUGE, the sloshing will last a long time.

It's all part of God's plan!

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Not sure who you're talking to, but I have a BBA and a BSc, but I'm sure that they're from more "redneck schools" since they were accredited universities.

For the life of me I cannot figure out why you people can just follow what people say blindly. I sat in those classes with my mouth shut, I regurgitated everything they said because I wanted the degrees, but in my heart I knew it was garbage.
I agree that people shouldn't follow what people say blindly. That's why I believe in seeing proof. I for one think that believing what was written in a book around 1800 years ago is all the proof we need.


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The scientists will say "Well because it's only 280,000 miles away." (It's actually only about 500).

The only logical conclusion is that
  • The Earth is flat, like the Bible says.
  • The Sun and Moon are both nearby and small objects, about 500 miles away, which revolve around the Earth
  • Tides are caused by the Bathtub Theory.
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I always thought the tides were caused by the wind blowing the water on-shore.
This is nice, I actually like this post.

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Bill O'Reilly is a soldier for Christ! I pray that one day he kicks the pope in the ass and becomes a Christian!
The pope is Christian. Catholicism is is a branch of Christianity. It's really only Americans who think Catholicism and Christianity are two completely separate religions.

Everybody on this thread is arguing that Dave Silverman offered no proof that the moon causes the tides but not one person has even attempted to prove that it is god's doing, other than referring to what some Greek bloke wrote in a book 1800 years ago. Most religious people I know are smart and level headed but everyone on this forum is nothing more than an oxygen thief.

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The pope is Christian. Catholicism is is a branch of Christianity. It's really only Americans who think Catholicism and Christianity are two completely separate religions.
Really?

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Most religious people I know are smart and level headed but everyone on this forum is nothing more than an oxygen thief.
Most religious people are hellbound:

Matt. 7:13-14: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matt. 7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


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What can I possibly say in the face of such a meticulously reasoned argument for the falsity of our faith?


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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 02-11-2011, 06:12 PM

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Secondly, my glass of water kept by my bedside would be fallen on its' side every day when I wake. This has never happened. So with the gift that God gave me of sight, I can say with 100% certainty that the moon does not 'pull water to one side or bulge in the glass'.
Yup. How much do the oceans weigh? Probably thousands of tons. If the 'gravity' of the moon supposedly lifts up thousands of tons of ocean by several feet, why doesn't it lift up the 8 ounces of water in my glass even an inch? The water should be all over my ceiling, but no. Sadly, simple logic escapes all of these delusional scientific types. They're like some brain-washed cult.
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Default Re: Bill O'Reilly OWNS Atheist: "You can't explain the tides!" - 02-11-2011, 08:11 PM

Firstly, I will state that I do believe in Jesus. So I am not technically an atheist. But I do want to make myself clear that I also believe in perception of reality and experimental proof. I am indeed in the studies of applied sciences, a mechanical engineer, and therefore my mind must work within the constraints of physical reality. I must leave my personal believes in my heart. If I were to act 100% according to the words within the Bible, I fear I, along with many other engineers, my cause harm, even injury, to the common man. You cannot truly believe that “things always happen because of God”. It is illogical. However, I strongly agree that the human race SHOULD believe in a Greater presence. Hope is a wonderful tool, along with love, care and understanding. All of these feelings enable us to do good things for society. And after all, this is the code in which I must learn and practise in my career, to protect the common man. That is why we learn things such as the Factor of Safety, which is simply a multiple that protects the individual.
With that aside, I am not here to change your believes, or tell you that you are wrong, yada yada. All I want to do is give you my opinion, which is within my right as a fellow Christian. In my short time on Earth, I have experienced many things with my five senses. I can see depth in water; I can feel heat on a stove. The Bible says these abilities were gifts given from God. But it doesn’t explain what heat is. Later I learn of the first Law of Thermodynamics which clearly and physically explains the concept of heat. I ask myself, how come none of these Laws are stated within the Bible? Well because the ones who wrote the Bible weren’t scientists. That’s fine; it wasn’t their line of work. But to discredit a scientist based on no evidence is not fair and ignorant. At least a scientist will make a claim only after proving it with experimental data. However, many Christians, and any follower of religion for that matter, will make a claim without any substantial evidence, such as the one Mr. O’Reilly has made. This is a grave mistake. Did you know that most of your judicial system is based on the words of the Bible? Well we have a major contradiction here. He is innocent until proven guilty without a reasonable doubt. That reasonable doubt comes from substantial evidence. You can’t simply state that the Earth is flat, or is only x-amount of years old just because a book told you that. Or that God told someone that He created the tides and the Moon and that they behave with one another in the matter in which they do simply because He said so and He doesn’t need to explain himself. You need physical data to prove physical phenomena. Yes I know you’re going to say the same thing about science textbooks. But all of those facts have been physically proven. And the best way to do this is scientifically experimentation.
Do you honestly, in your heart, feel that the answers to all of your problems or questions lie in God? Would he truly want you to be that helpless? Come on, have some confidence in the ability of yourelf and your fellow man. The very liquid crystal display you are reading this post through is a perfect example that God is just a philosophical representation of hope and believe, and nothing more. He can’t, and did not, physically create anything, save maybe the Big Bang, but that discussion is far beyond this topic. What God has done is allow us to create hope and believe that our will is what allows us to create technology, relationships, and families. Now if you look at the big picture, sure I guess you can accredit God for all of our great things based on this statement, but it has no physical representation. You can’t fill a glass up with hope. You can however fill it with water, which was not created by God. It is a physical representation of hydrogen and oxygen. Jesus, along with Zeus, Allah and any other philosophical images are just figures we use to represent our trust in hope, that’s it. Please don’t confuse physical reality with religion. They are two separate entities. Doing that leads to miscommunication and the lack of use of our common sense, this can lead to much more devastating things such as war. I get burned from touching a hot stove because the molecules within the element are moving so fast, they cause a temperature increase which is then transferred to my hand, which is at a cooler, and less active molecular state. God wasn’t mad at me so he burned me. Come on.
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Go back and re-read your post, Sean. It's an argument for atheism. You claim to believe in Jesus, but it's obvious you don't.

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Firstly, I will state that I do believe in Jesus. * * * Jesus, along with Zeus, Allah and any other philosophical images are just figures we use to represent our trust in hope, that’s it.
It would help if you atheists at least pretended to make sense now and then.


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Go back and re-read your post, Sean. It's an argument for atheism. You claim to believe in Jesus, but it's obvious you don't.

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Who are you to tell me what I do and do not believe in? Never once in my post did I tell you what to believe in or what not to believe in. I just simply reminded you to trust your internal primal instincts and not to confuse these feelings with hope or religion. They are different. I believe that Jesus lies within a book I read, called the Bible, and that the story of him tells of great achievements. But that’s it. Jesus didn’t decide one day to make water rise and fall periodically. Where in the Bible does it say Jesus, or God, invented the concept of tidal waters? It doesn’t, come on. Besides, tidal movements have been happening far before Jesus was born. Oh yeah, that’s right, according to you the Earth is flat and only 500 miles from the sun! Here’s an idea, go turn on your stove, wait 7 min. Touch it. Imagine that concept of heat the multiply it by 10^10. If the Sun was 500 miles away, that magnitude I think still wouldn’t justify the heat the Sun’s radiation would give off. Are you kidding me? I can picture Jesus any freaking way I want to just the same as you. And no one, including you, can tell me otherwise. You call yourself a Reverend? My pastor never told me I don’t believe in Jesus. Only I can answer that statement. But one thing you can’t tell people is that the Earth is flat! Come on man. You clearly can see a spherical shape to our planet when photographed from outer space. Do you use a cell phone? Those things don’t work because of “magic” or God. They work because of satellites. The very same objects that have photographed your “flat” Earth. You tell me to go back a read my post again? How about you go back to school and listen to your teachers my friend.
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