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Default Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 01-13-2012, 05:38 PM

Matthew 16-18

Matthew 16

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

There's a lot of talk of Pharisees and Sadducees. These people received a very bad name from Jesus. I can't think of those words without thinking that they are bad people. So what were they?

Sadducees were of priestly and aristocratic families. They were rich people who had influence in Israel. They developed as a social class after Ezra returned and rebuilt the temple. As Cyrus restored the priestly caste, but didn't restore the monarchy, they weren't held in check by any other formal Israel power. They became the de facto leaders. As there was no secular leaders with any real power, they became the dominate force. They are the 1%. Sadducees maintained the temple. They believed in the written law of the Torah, why? because it maintained their authority.

Pharisees were another group of learned Torah scholars. They may or may not have come from the priestly caste. They probably didn't get their learning from the temple, but from other synagogues throughout Israel. They knew the law. In addition to the written Torah, they followed some other oral traditions, and some other books. They believed (pretty much) that any Israelite could (and should) be a priest, so they kept the priestly temple purity laws, (the ones in Leviticus) even though those laws only were written for actual priests. Their actions opened up the priesthood (basically) for anyone. Through them, the current Rabbinical traditions came to be. You don't have to be born into the priesthood to be a Rabbi, you just have to know.

As you saw yesterday, when they accused Jesus of not washing his hands before eating, they were concerned with purity and cleanliness. They followed the law, but Jesus showed that they may follow it exactly, but they don't understand the meaning of it.

Like a law against jay walking. You don't jay walk because it's illegal... why is it illegal? Because people get hit by buses when they jay walk.

These two classes of learned Torah scholars didn't like each other. The Saducees wanted to keep their hold on power, while the Pharisees wanted everyone to follow the law. What can bring two enemies together??? A common enemy, that enemy was Jesus.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed
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Red sky at night, sailor's delight,
Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

5 And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.


Food seems to play a predominate role in the New Testament.

6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.


The disciples are idiots. Not only don't they take bread, but that also don't understand Jesus' leaven analogy.

11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.


Their leaven is bad leaven. Remember, God hates yeast (passover). Leaven makes decay.

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


The Christ, it means the anointed one. It also means Messiah. Messiah means anointed. So, Peter said you are the anointed Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


This is obviously a different rock than the one yesterday, the one that the seed will flounder on.

Jesus then tells them what's going to happen, that he'll go to Jerusalem and be killed and come back.

Matthew 17

1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.


Elias is Elijah.

The guys wanted to build a tabernacle to each of them, Jesus said no.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Then some guy has a possessed child and Jesus heals him.

Then they go to Capernaum, and had to give tribute, and they didn't have any cash, so Jesus sent Peter out to fish, and that he'd catch a fish with a piece of money in it's mouth.

Matthew 18

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Jesus said it's children, and people who act like children.

Then he tells about cutting off your hand and plucking out your eye.

Then Jesus tells about missing a sheep. If you have a hundred and one wanders off, that you go get the wanderer, and you actually like it more than the 99 who stuck around.

13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.


So, the returning of the prodigal son (which we'll get to later) is always better than the other sons who were there all along.

Peter asks how many times he has to forgive his brother.

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

490.

Then Jesus tells a story about a lord with servants. The lord called in the people who owed him money, and one guy owed him 10,000. The lord was gonna sell him, and his wife and kids, but they guy begged to stay.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

The servant then called in a guy who owed him 100. The guy didn't have it, so the servant threw the other servant into debtors prison. The lord guy hears about it and calls him in.

32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


So, the lord reinstated the debt. Which doesn't really sound like forgiveness of the debt, now does it.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

In other words... God will forgive you of your sins if you beg him to, but if you don't forgive people who sin against you, then God will be like "I still remember". Even though it says it's forgiveness, it's conditional. If you break the conditions of the forgiveness, then you aren't forgiven.

So what have we learned today?

1. Christ means anointed.

2. Forgiveness is conditional.

3. Forgive your brother 490 times.

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Judges 9:21 And Jotham ran away, and fled, and went to Beer, and dwelt there, for fear of Abimelech his brother.
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Default Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 01-14-2012, 11:26 AM

The lord listed in chapter 18 is what kids would call an "indian giver", we can just think of him as a Jew.


Judges 9:21 And Jotham ran away, and fled, and went to Beer, and dwelt there, for fear of Abimelech his brother.
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Default Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 11-17-2018, 05:42 PM

I notice you skipped Matthew 17:25-26.

That's because in it, Jesus taught that tithing is NOT to be mandatory among Christians.


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I notice you skipped Matthew 17:25-26.

That's because in it, Jesus taught that tithing is NOT to be mandatory among Christians.
Please note Jesus did produce a fish with money in its mouth, thus setting an example.

Are you saying we should not follow His example? I mean, not everyone can provide tithes by fishing money-vomiting fish, but I'd say other means of procuring money will suffice. So basically, we are allowed to complain but we still need to produce the required money.
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Please note Jesus did produce a fish with money in its mouth, thus setting an example.

Are you saying we should not follow His example? I mean, not everyone can provide tithes by fishing money-vomiting fish, but I'd say other means of procuring money will suffice. So basically, we are allowed to complain but we still need to produce the required money.
That was only because his "hour had not yet come"...


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Default Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 11-17-2018, 10:44 PM

You are equivocating. But more interestingly, the verses you've cited do not mention the word "tithe" at all! Is this what happens when you declaim The Bible as GUIDELINES?

Luke 21:1-4 And he [Jesus] looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: for all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

When kings (or other administrative bodies) levy a charge, such as import duty, there is an element of coercion. Usually quite strong. Smuggling brandy carries severe penalties for example and running a business "off the books" gets you some serious time. The widow contributed 100% voluntarily and was praised by Jesus. In your model He should have said, "Oi! OI!! Youse over there!!! Get ere with that treasury key! Go on!! Go on!!! Open re up, give back the two mites," (toys with whip) because when inappropriate means were used for revenue raining in other circumstances He's taken a very direct approach hadn't He.

Jesus time having come TO BEGIN HIS MINISTRY is not the same as Jesus time having come TO END HIS MINISTRY. The distinction is obvious to any two-year-old LEADING UP TO a birthday party and then AS IT'S ABOUT TO FINISH. You seem to like BIG LETTERS so I've used a few here for you.

Because if threats were made by Churches to get money out of their congregations, that would be EXTORTION. And extortion rackets are against the law. Perhaps in your Scripture knowledge class you missed Titus 3:1-11?
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I appreciate the fact that people here have different interpretation on the readings today.
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Different interpretations, that's exactly what happens when people treat the Scriptures merely as guidelines to cherry pick from, instead of following 100% of the Bible literally.
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I appreciate the fact that people here have different interpretation on the readings today.
You do understand that non-Christians can post, providing they are not abusive? Even catholics, who are the least Christian of all because a Zen (for instance) doesn't claim to be Christian and just gets on with the pagan. Popes, on the other hand, claim to be Christ's actual representative but in all cases and at every opportunity do the exact opposite of what He taught. Various other sects and cults get to comment as well. Let's face it, if they already understood The Truth there'd be no Truth to lead them to, would there?

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Interpretation of Scripture is a good example. God is absolutely explicit on this, interpretations are a denial of The Holy Ghost

II Peter 1:16-21 We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
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You do understand that non-Christians can post, providing they are not abusive? Even catholics, who are the least Christian of all because a Zen (for instance) doesn't claim to be Christian and just gets on with the pagan. Popes, on the other hand, claim to be Christ's actual representative but in all cases and at every opportunity do the exact opposite of what He taught. Various other sects and cults get to comment as well. Let's face it, if they already understood The Truth there'd be no Truth to lead them to, would there?

Interpretation of Scripture is a good example. God is absolutely explicit on this, interpretations are a denial of The Holy Ghost
II Peter 1:16-21 We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
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[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]1 Corinthians 2:13-14[/COLOR]
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These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[/COLOR][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [/COLOR]


John chapter 15 verses 13-14
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Default Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 05-01-2019, 01:38 PM

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Galatians 1:12

For i neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is a lovely Testimony from Paul. Although he was not taught about Jesus, he had learned some material with which he disagreed. Otherwise he would not have been persecuting Christians.

But he stopped doing that.

He would also have had to learn what Scripture contained as he explains here but that doesn't mean he was taught it. Paul had been a Pharisee Acts 23:6 and in this passage has been teaching The Good News.

I Corinthians 15:1-4 I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
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Default Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 05-02-2019, 05:20 PM

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That is a lovely Testimony from Paul. Although he was not taught about Jesus, he had learned some material with which he disagreed. Otherwise he would not have been persecuting Christians.

But he stopped doing that.

He would also have had to learn what Scripture contained as he explains here but that doesn't mean he was taught it. Paul had been a Pharisee Acts 23:6 and in this passage has been teaching The Good News.
I Corinthians 15:1-4 I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Hallelujah, Jesus is Lord.

Paul was an apostle inspired by God and his mission was God given


Acts 13:12


As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.


Paul was not taught by men but from the teachings of the Holy Spirit of Christ.




1 peter 2:18-21


And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


The bible is the surest word of prophecy, we have to thank God for His Holy words and be grateful indeed as Christians by obeying the bible


John chapter 15 verses 13-14
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
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And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Galatians 5:24
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Default Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 08-08-2019, 12:23 PM

Acts 13:2-4 As they [Barnabas, Simeon, Lucius, Manaen, Saul] ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
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Paul was not taught by men but from the teachings of the Holy Spirit of Christ.
The teachings Paul had been instructed in were teachings of the Pharisees. Although they had The Law to guide them, what they taught was false. Paul stepped free of those teachings when he saw Christ for what He really was. You can step free too. Jesus told Paul (he was still called Saul then) about true freedom but others were also aware of The Good News.
II Peter 1:16-19 We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
Astrologists in these last days are desperate to deceive everyone, gawping at stars and planets and the moon, burning incense to all the host of heaven. Paul on the other hand was taught by Jesus Himself.
Matthew 17:1-5 After six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
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Rebuke Re: Day 288. Matthew 16-18 - 08-08-2019, 02:43 PM

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Hallelujah, Jesus is Lord.

Paul was an apostle inspired by God and his mission was God given


Acts 13:12


As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.


Paul was not taught by men but from the teachings of the Holy Spirit of Christ.




1 peter 2:18-21


And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


The bible is the surest word of prophecy, we have to thank God for His Holy words and be grateful indeed as Christians by obeying the bible
Amen unto that.
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