[Pure_Angel]

During my first years on earth, my father was in prison (for Jesus!), so my mother lived with his brother. My uncle is a ex-gay today, but back then he wasn't very sure of what to do. (since he had been living so sinful for such a long time)
Anyway, while mother was making breakfast he let us watch TV. And we saw The Moomins. (my older sister and I)
I remeber that there was alot of magic, they all lived in towers (reminds me of the tower of Babylon) and they had rings around their feets and hid in hats and...
I was really scared of them! Especially of theese:



I remeber these blobs moving around, chasing the father and son, so that they had to climb up in a tree or something, and it was really scary with thunder and...
Apperently those thing was worshipping the weather-gods or something.

Uh, I really don't like to think about it. It was only meant to scare children! I would like to ban this thing from showing on TV! The only things that should be allowed should be Bible Stories!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

Then why do BOTH COUNTRIES show their disrespect for Jesus by putting a fallen cross on their flags?



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

How the explain your ignorance and the lack of history and truth.

All Scandinavia cross style flags has an Christian origin, the first one was the Danish flag (the oldest state flag in the world) which was referring to the Johannites in the crusade times. The swedish and danish flags were also presenting protestantism in the 30 year old in the war times in the Germany, do not ask me what is the war I am referring to. Finnish flag is also a copy of the danish style.

If any fennos-Scandinavian flags are use upwards as a standard, the cross is upwards.
How in the name of the Christ you have even may say that they are fallen, when YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW, YOU ARE LITERALLY JUDGING AND LYING.

Yours in Christ and also in the Truth!

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Pure_Angel

During my first years on earth, my father was in prison (for Jesus!), so my mother lived with his brother. My uncle is a ex-gay today, but back then he wasn't very sure of what to do. (since he had been living so sinful for such a long time)
Anyway, while mother was making breakfast he let us watch TV. And we saw The Moomins. (my older sister and I)
I remeber that there was alot of magic, they all lived in towers (reminds me of the tower of Babylon) and they had rings around their feets and hid in hats and...
I was really scared of them! Especially of theese:



I remeber these blobs moving around, chasing the father and son, so that they had to climb up in a tree or something, and it was really scary with thunder and...
Apperently those thing was worshipping the weather-gods or something.

Uh, I really don't like to think about it. It was only meant to scare children! I would like to ban this thing from showing on TV! The only things that should be allowed should be Bible Stories!

Yours in Christ
Elisabeth

They are Hattivatti, who are electrical creatures waiting for the lighting to charge them. No worshipping any gods.
They rock!

Yours in Christ and also in the Truth

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

If any fennos-Scandinavian flags are use upwards as a standard, the cross is upwards.
How in the name of the Christ you have even may say that they are fallen, when YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW, YOU ARE LITERALLY JUDGING AND LYING.

How many times have you used these flags, or seen these flags used as standards? I have even may say that crosses are fallen, because in the flag cross is portrayed as sideways. Sideways = fallen.

YiC,

Aplhonse

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

How many times have you used these flags, or seen these flags used as standards? I have even may say that crosses are fallen, because in the flag cross is portrayed as sideways. Sideways = fallen.

YiC,

Aplhonse

In the war times in the medieval times they were used as a standards, anyway the history which counts here, not the fancy imagination.

BTW, there are Pentagons in your flag and 13 stripes, please explain.

Correction: it was the 30 year old war.

[Alphonse Alban]

Let's see what I asked.

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

How many times have you used these flags, or seen these flags used as standards?

Your answer was this

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

In the war times in the medieval times they were used as a standards, anyway the history which counts here, not the fancy imagination.

Am I supposed to believe that Finnish flag was used as standard in medieval times, and you were there to see it?

Funny how you used the term fancy imagination.

[Two-Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

BTW, there are Pentagons in your flag and 13 stripes, please explain.

Correction: it was the 30 year old war.

There are no pentagons on the US flag, assuming that this is what you are referring to. I think you may have meant pentagrams, and there are none of those either. They are simply 5 pointed stars, originally these were meant to indicate that the country was a new "Constellation".

In many cultures the number 13 is considered to be very lucky. In the case of the US it is just based on the number of original colonies.

Correction: It is called "The Thirty Years' War".

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Let's see what I asked.



Your answer was this



Am I supposed to believe that Finnish flag was used as standard in medieval times, and you were there to see it?

Funny how you used the term fancy imagination.

Finland did not exist in the medieval times, only Sweden and Danmark

The point is that Finnish and Scandinavian flags represent christianity to me and christians atheists and neo-pagans in Finland. The finnish flag colours and cross are also linked to St. Georges flag, so there at least two pro Christanity links and common feeling to everyone that it is linked to the Christianity whetever your religion is.

The Scandinavian flags are a problem in the Afganistan, because locals see them representing Christianity in a islamic country. So if it is giving some problems to you, it is only a local problem, not a worldwide view.

[Alphonse Alban]

So it has always been fallen cross in Finnish flag. You could have just said that right away.

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

flags represent christianity to me and christians atheists and neo-pagans in Finland.

What exatly are christians atheists? Neo-pagans? No wonder you want to defile the cross so.

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Two-Dollar Bill

There are no pentagons on the US flag, assuming that this is what you are referring to. I think you may have meant pentagrams, and there are none of those either. They are simply 5 pointed stars, originally these were meant to indicate that the country was a new "Constellation".

In many cultures the number 13 is considered to be very lucky. In the case of the US it is just based on the number of original colonies.

Correction: It is called "The Thirty Years' War".

The 13 does not represent any luck in a Christian context, and why were there original 13 colonies not 14 or 12? So does these mean that you are under pagan flag and you praise pagan gods? I do not see any crosses in your flag.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

The 13 does not represent any luck in a Christian context, and why were there original 13 colonies not 14 or 12? So does these mean that you are under pagan flag and you praise pagan gods? I do not see any crosses in your flag.

In what Christian context 13 represents unlucky, or anything in that matter?
What exactly are the pagan symbols for pagan god in US flag?

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

So it has always been fallen cross in Finnish flag. You could have just said that right away.



What exatly are christians atheists? Neo-pagans? No wonder you want to defile the cross so.

Sorry correction: christian, atheists.

The original mythology for swedish flag let me assume that it was upwards:

Wiki:According to the mythology, the 12th century Swedish king Eric the Holy saw a golden cross in the sky as he landed in Finland during the First Swedish Crusade in 1157. Seeing this as a sign from God he adopted the golden cross against a blue background as his banner, though the golden cross was changed later to a yellow cross due to practicality.

[Two-Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

The 13 does not represent any luck in a Christian context, and why were there original 13 colonies not 14 or 12? So does these mean that you are under pagan flag and you praise pagan gods? I do not see any crosses in your flag.

Well, if I had it my way I would never had included Rhode Island amongst the original 13. Then there would only have been 12. But, that's me.

I don't see anything pagan about the American flag, but agree that it lacks more overt Christian symbolism.

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

In what Christian context 13 represents unlucky, or anything in that matter?
What exactly are the pagan symbols for pagan god in US flag?

13 is the very important number in a freemasonry and in satanic cults, don't you know that?

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

13 is the very important number in a freemasonry and in satanic cults, don't you know that?

Are you trying to suggest that there are thirteen colonies because the pilgrims were masons? The flag was made long after the colonies were founded.

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

Are you trying to suggest that there are thirteen colonies because the pilgrims were masons? The flag was made long after the colonies were founded.

Yes, there are numerous webpages linked to it, but honestly I do not know the US history accurate, I am a Finn, so it is nice to hear that they were not necessarely linked.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

Wiki:According to the mythology, the 12th century Swedish king Eric the Holy saw a golden cross in the sky as he landed in Finland during the First Swedish Crusade in 1157. Seeing this as a sign from God he adopted the golden cross against a blue background as his banner, though the golden cross was changed later to a yellow cross due to practicality.

Note, WIKI and MYTHOLOGY. Even wikipedia continues, "Other historians claim that the Swedish flag was blue with a white cross before 1420, and became blue with a golden cross only during the early reign of King Gustaf Vasa, who successfully liberated Sweden from the temporary tyranny of the Danish King Christian II in 1521"

How is this relevant anyway? Question was, why did Finland put defaced cross in their flag?

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

13 is the very important number in a freemasonry and in satanic cults, don't you know that?

What does bible say about number 13? Show me the verse where it is forbidden or against God.

About the other matter, no I did not know. Please, do tell us to what Satanic cults number 13 is so important and why?

[FinnTrek]

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

Note, WIKI and MYTHOLOGY. Even wikipedia continues, "Other historians claim that the Swedish flag was blue with a white cross before 1420, and became blue with a golden cross only during the early reign of King Gustaf Vasa, who successfully liberated Sweden from the temporary tyranny of the Danish King Christian II in 1521"

How is this relevant anyway? Question was, why did Finland put defaced cross in their flag?



What does bible say about number 13? Show me the verse where it is forbidden or against God.

About the other matter, no I did not know. Please, do tell us to what Satanic cults number 13 is so important and why?

So it must have been the Christian cross, because the Eric wanted to please and justify his conquer of Finland to Vatican, this motive has been discussed widely.

Finnish flag horizontal: the practical reasons, because the flags are horizontal?!?

13:
13 is the age that a Pagan or Wiccan usually starts to learn Witchcraft.
Traditionally, there are 13 witches in a Wiccan coven
and freemasonry

[dementialies]

Wow ignorance really is bliss. The cross is not "fallen". Perhaps if you knew a little bit more about history than just what you've read in the bible (which is chock full of historical innaccuracies) you would know that the cross is a horizontal form of the Latin Cross, often refered to in jewelry as a Sideways Cross. There is no particular meaning to this orientation; however, if you really want to have a meaning for a sideways cross, one interpretation is a response to the words Jesus said: "Take up your cross and follow me" (Mark 8:34). The cross was the instrument of torture and death; for Jesus this meant not only his physical death but also the spiritual death for our sins. After that, as you know, he rose to heaven. So "Take up your cross and follow me" is the invitation from Jesus to kill our sins and follow Jesus on the path to heaven. (See the Meaning of the Cross). If somebody takes up their cross and follows Jesus to the end of their days, when they die their relatives might honour that person by showing their cross has been carried to the end and it is symbolically laid down. (Crosses are usually erect on gravestones, but sometimes there are horizontal, resting on the grave.)

When carried in battle, a short flagpole is obviously lighter and stronger than a long one. So for a given length of flagpole, a horizontal rectangular flag is larger than a vertical rectangular or square flag. This has resulted in most national flags having a horizontal rectangle shape and a Horizontal Cross simply follows that shape.

The Finnish Flag is derived from the Dannebrog Cross (also known as the Nordic Cross) which is the basis for all flags in Scandinavia. These include the flags of Finland, Norway, Sweden, Skåneland, Faroe Islands (Denmark), Åland Islands (Finland), plus neighbouring places that are not always considered Scandinavian, such as the Shetland Islands (Scotland), Orkney (Scotland), and Iceland.

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by FinnTrek

So it must have been the Christian cross, because the Eric wanted to please and justify his conquer of Finland to Vatican, this motive has been discussed widely.

Try to focus you nimrod. Vatican has nothing to do with Christianity. They are filthy idolators and Mary-worshipers.

Again I asked

Originally Posted by Alphonse Alban

About the other matter, no I did not know. Please, do tell us to what Satanic cults number 13 is so important and why?

I did not ask about some Harry Potter crap

Fine, after you have answered my original question about these Satanic cults you were talking about, please do tell me how many Wicca covens have you seen with 13 witches. Why is number 13 important to them?

Seriously, try to focus. You haven't been able to answer single question asked so far. Are you trying to make Finnish look really stupid?

I bet you are Swedish.