[John Creeser]

Originally Posted by Teach me

How do you explain the existence of GOD by quoting a book? I know you will claim it's the word of GOD, but it's actually the word of man. It was interpreted by man through GOD, then over time it has been passed down, and altered by the church. Quoting a book is not going to prove to me that GOD exists.

Relax everyone, Teach Me already believes in God, as stated above. He's just testing our faith - why he is carrying it on so long is a mystery to me though.

OK games up Touch me, what is your favorite type of pie??

[Gabriel Reproba]

Originally Posted by Teach me

I didn't address you because your question was irrelevant to mine.

Oh, so you think that you can come in here and demand proof and not have to supply any? A central tenet of the atheist religion: "Always shift the burden of proof to those in the majority then run away when they ask you to disprove God."

[Teach me]

Originally Posted by Wide-Open

Oh, OK, so you are a furry?



Actually, I will, since you challenged us: I find it quite funny that atheists can't spell the word "atheist". How's them apples?

Well, it took me 10 seconds to find something wrong. I'm sure you'll give me another infraction for no reason, though. You stated, "How's them apples?" the way you used How's is incorrect, but this isn't a battle of grammar. I don't care if you have the worst, or best grammar in the world. I'm here for you to prove to me of GOD's existence and all you want to is stray from this to battle me on grammar. You're going to look for anything to attack me on to prove that your reasoning is just, but once again I will simply ask for you to prove to me the existence of your GOD.

Originally Posted by John Creeser

Relax everyone, Teach Me already believes in God, as stated above. He's just testing our faith - why he is carrying it on so long is a mystery to me though.

OK games up Touch me, what is your favorite type of pie??

No, I do not believe in GOD in the sense you're referring. I am speaking from your stand point on the Bible in the regards that GOD spoke to man to write it, and to show everyone that it is just a book written by man himself interpreted by many, many, many men over several generations, and altered by the church. I don't know why you addressed me as Touch Me, maybe you have some sort of homosexual interests that you have opressed your entire life.

[John Creeser]

No, I do not believe in GOD in the sense you're referring.

You capitalized GOD, more proof you believe.

and to show everyone that it is just a book written by man himself interpreted by many, many, many men over several generations, and altered by the church

The exception being the KJV1611.

I don't know why you addressed me as Touch Me, maybe you have some sort of homosexual interests that you have opressed your entire life.

Surprise, surprise - like every other atheist, your brain is by default, homosexually calibrated.

[Teach me]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Reproba

Oh, so you think that you can come in here and demand proof and not have to supply any? A central tenet of the atheist religion: "Always shift the burden of proof to those in the majority then run away when they ask you to disprove God."

If you read my other post I stated that if you would allow me to state my argument, then I will gladly do so. If not, I will respect your wishes and not do so. It angers me with this communities ignorance. I'm more than half of the age of most of the members and I act more mature than them. I am an individual, so treat me like one. Yes, I may have similiar beliefs to others, but do not address me with such ignorance as to generalize. Have you and your fellow colleagues not done the exact thing you claim all atheists do? I asked a simple question, but have received one maybe two actual answers, and the rest have been attacks on my grammar (among other things.). I will ask for you to once again prove to me there is a GOD. I'm waiting here with an open mind, unlike any of you here. I've read many threads on these forums and none of you read what we "non-believers" have to say, or take it with an open mind. Yet, when you address things towards us we take them with an open mind. I've stated this before, so I will once again. I am willing to make the change to your beliefs, if you can prove to me to do so.

[Teach me]

Originally Posted by John Creeser

You capitalized GOD, more proof you believe.



The exception being the KJV1611.



Surprise, surprise - like every other atheist, your brain is by default, homosexually calibrated.

I capitalized GOD because I was raised as a Christian, but the day I had the freedom to think for myself I quickly changed. Also, I capitalize it to show respect towards what you believe in. Although, I haven't been treated the same it does not matter to me. As for the homosexual thing, I was simply making a joke about the fact you misspelled my name.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Teach me

So based off of what you're stating, He simply exists because I cannot conceive of anything better?

Yes. We can only think of things whose attributes have a basis in reality.

Those attributes must have come from somewhere. The attributes are finite. Only something with all the attributes could have created the attributes we know. That thing must exist. God must exist.

If you think I’m in error, show me. Think of something and I will tell you what its attributes are and what members of God's creation possess them.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Teach me

I capitalized GOD because I was raised as a Christian, but the day I had the freedom to think for myself I quickly changed. .

Do you remember what day it was that you were allowed to think for yourself?

[John Creeser]

Originally Posted by Teach me

I capitalized GOD because I was raised as a Christian, but the day I had the freedom to think for myself I quickly changed. Also, I capitalize it to show respect towards what you believe in. Although, I haven't been treated the same it does not matter to me. As for the homosexual thing, I was simply making a joke about the fact you misspelled my name.

OK Look - don't you think this has gone back and forth enough? We know God exists because it's utter silliness to believe otherwise. Seriously. You've got to take off your blindfold, and embrace the love of Jesus Christ.

You talk about us treating you bad. We want to save you, we don't want you to go to hell - yeah we show a little tough love, but it's nothing compared to hell; burning all day upside down with your head in urine, getting raped over and over, etc etc. Why do you want that for yourself?

Your constant questioning of GOD is breaking my heart because the more you do, the more I know none of us can help you, and that makes me sad.

Please change your mind before it's too late.

[Teach me]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

Yes. We can only think of things whose attributes have a basis in reality.

Those attributes must have come from somewhere. The attributes are finite. Only something with all the attributes could have created the attributes we know. That thing must exist. God must exist.

If you think I’m in error, show me. Think of something and I will tell you what its attributes are and what members of God's creation possess them.

Why don't you try being more clear with what you're trying to say? From what I understand you're saying that everything we know is based upon our reality. Thus, the only logical answer could be that it was created by some super omnicient being called GOD? Based off of what you're saying everything you so valiantly fight against is attributed by GOD? I'm sure you will bring up the fact of Adam and Eve to disprove that part, but I'll also bring up something else. If GOD created Eden and all things in 6 days, then technically humans should be as old as the planet. How are there things that date back farther than humans? There are trees/mountains that date back farther than the Bible says Earth has been around. How can they exist before what you are told? Even a child in grade-school knows that you can count how old a tree is by it's rings, and a mountain by how weathered it is and such. I can go on for hours, but I'm sure you will only read the first line and think, "Atheist garbage!". This doesn't even come close to the real argument that I could place, but only a mere whiff.

[markthemonk]

Originally Posted by Teach me

Please, prove to me there is a GOD.

Dear Teach me

Sorry I don't have that much time to waste. Why don't you take out some effort and disprove the existence of God. If you get back with something that has been confusing you, I will try to explain.

[Teach me]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

Do you remember what day it was that you were allowed to think for yourself?

I don't remember the exact day, but I was around the age of 12. My entire life my mother forced me into believing in GOD and at first I gladly accepted it, because I was a child, and knew no better. As I grew older and became more aware of how silly the idea of GOD was, it only became aparant that he did not exist. It took me a few years to finally let go because I was terrified of going to Hell, even after completely denying his existence. All I see you people is preaching terror unto others through the idea of Hell. And obviously, you too live from this terror. If I am wrong and there is a Hell, then I will be joined in good company, by all of the greaters philosophers, scientists, musicians, and thinkers of the world.

Originally Posted by John Creeser

OK Look - don't you think this has gone back and forth enough? We know God exists because it's utter silliness to believe otherwise. Seriously. You've got to take off your blindfold, and embrace the love of Jesus Christ.

You talk about us treating you bad. We want to save you, we don't want you to go to hell - yeah we show a little tough love, but it's nothing compared to hell; burning all day upside down with your head in urine, getting raped over and over, etc etc. Why do you want that for yourself?

Your constant questioning of GOD is breaking my heart because the more you do, the more I know none of us can help you, and that makes me sad.

Please change your mind before it's too late.

You have to understand that everyone has their own answer. Everyone's answer is different than anyone else and I'm content with mine. You have to learn to show respect towards another individuals decision/answer and not try to push yours unto others. I understand this is a Christian community, but I came here for the simple reason for someone to prove to me GOD exists. For years I've asked Christians, but never received a straight answer. The reason why this question still remains is because everyone has their own interpretation of GOD, the Bible, and anything related to such items. These are their own answers and there is no true answer to this, but your own. So instead of preaching your own answer to others, allow them the freedom to think of their own, then if they wish to be educated on yours so be it.

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

Dear Teach me,

"Please, prove to me there is a GOD" is as hard as it is to "prove there is not a God". If absolute proof for either viewpoint would exist everyone (or no one) would be a Christian. So obviously it is more complicated than that.

From our viewpoint, the Christian viewpoint, it is very important to realize that Christianity is based on faith. We have to figure out for ourselves that Jesus is our savior before we can be saved. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6)

But this does not mean God didn't leave any hints of His actual existence. He clearly wants many of us to get saved, so He helps us a little in achieving that. I will explain a few of those hints from God to you.

First of all there is the Holy Bible. This book is unlike any other book in existence. While it is huge it is also extremely consistent. It is a testimony to what men can achieve when they are possessed by the Holy Spirit. It is almost impossible to read it without realizing God must really exist. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2nd Timothy 3:16)

Second of all there is Hell. God made sure everyone is fully aware of Hell. Even those who do not believe it actually exists. I am sure you have heard of it as well. Hell is the ultimate warning sign. It is the ultimate weapon in convincing as many people to choose Jesus as possible. It is the ultimate sign of God's love for us and His wish that many of us will choose to join Him in Heaven. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

Third of all there is science. There is no greater proof of God's existence. Where the Bible is consistent, science is not. Where the Bible explains everything around us, science fails at that. A few decades ago they predicted global cooling, suddenly it has become global warming. There isn't a scientific "fact" of the past that hasn't been refuted in the present. And the same will happen to all current scientific "facts" as well.

So as you can see God wants us to work for our salvation. He wants us to figure out on our own He exists and He is the ultimate ruler of all. But He gave us help in many ways to figure out the truth, for those who are open to it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith." (Ephesians 2:8)

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[James Dewitt]

=Teach me;679625]

I don't remember the exact day, but I was around the age of 12. My entire life my mother forced me into believing in GOD and at first I gladly accepted it, because I was a child, and knew no better. As I grew older and became more aware of how silly the idea of GOD was, it only became aparant that he did not exist. It took me a few years to finally let go because I was terrified of going to Hell, even after completely denying his existence. All I see you people is preaching terror unto others through the idea of Hell. And obviously, you too live from this terror. If I am wrong and there is a Hell, then I will be joined in good company, by all of the greaters philosophers, scientists, musicians, and thinkers of the world.

So at one time you loved Jesus. Then you spit on His face as well as your mothers. Its your father fault in part for letting your mother raise you. Its your fault that you hate Jesus. They should have stoned you at 13 years of age.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

You have to understand that everyone has their own answer.
****** Deleted********** All the rest was hog wash**********

God is the only answer!

[markthemonk]

Originally Posted by Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

Dear Teach me,

"Please, prove to me there is a GOD" is as hard as it is to "prove there is not a God". If absolute proof for either viewpoint would exist everyone (or no one) would be a Christian. So obviously it is more complicated than that.

From our viewpoint, the Christian viewpoint, it is very important to realize that Christianity is based on faith. We have to figure out for ourselves that Jesus is our savior before we can be saved. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6)

But this does not mean God didn't leave any hints of His actual existence. He clearly wants many of us to get saved, so He helps us a little in achieving that. I will explain a few of those hints from God to you.

First of all there is the Holy Bible. This book is unlike any other book in existence. While it is huge it is also extremely consistent. It is a testimony to what men can achieve when they are possessed by the Holy Spirit. It is almost impossible to read it without realizing God must really exist. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2nd Timothy 3:16)

Second of all there is Hell. God made sure everyone is fully aware of Hell. Even those who do not believe it actually exists. I am sure you have heard of it as well. Hell is the ultimate warning sign. It is the ultimate weapon in convincing as many people to choose Jesus as possible. It is the ultimate sign of God's love for us and His wish that many of us will choose to join Him in Heaven. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

Third of all there is science. There is no greater proof of God's existence. Where the Bible is consistent science is not. Where the Bible explains everything around us, science fails at that. A few decades ago they predicted global cooling, suddenly it has become global warming. There isn't a scientific "fact" of the past that hasn't been refuted in the present. And the same will happen to all current scientific "facts" as well.

So as you can see God wants us to work for our salvation. He wants us to figure out on our own He exists and He is the ultimate ruler of all. But He gave us help in many ways to figure out the truth, for those who are open to it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith." (Ephesians 2:8)

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

Just a silly question pastor, if you are a true christian, how come you are great at finance?

[James Dewitt]

Originally Posted by markthemonk

Just a silly question pastor, if you are a true christian, how come you are great at finance?

How wonderful, you think that because we are Christian, we are some how ignorant of money. I am a True Christian™ and I can assure you I know about the world of high finance. DFAC Office Building slated to open June 1, 2011

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

Dear markthemonk,

Originally Posted by markthemonk

Just a silly question pastor, if you are a true christian, how come you are great at finance?

You seem to be derailing the issue here, but I will address your question anyway.

I am a Christian, not a Catholic or a Mormon. This means there is no limit to what I can do or what I can achieve as long as I follow the Holy Bible to the letter. This means one must be patience and have faith, but given those there are no limits to how much wealth can be acquired: "A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent." (Proverbs 28:20) This means I never participate in "get rich quick" projects, all my investment projects take a long time before they become profitable.

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[John Creeser]

Well, I am going to have to walk away I think. I see no point in continuing to ram my head into a brick wall.

Teach me, if you are seeking proof of God (when it is all around you), then I am afraid it's already too late for you.

[Teach me]

Originally Posted by Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

Dear Teach me,

"Please, prove to me there is a GOD" is as hard as it is to "prove there is not a God". If absolute proof for either viewpoint would exist everyone (or no one) would be a Christian. So obviously it is more complicated than that.

From our viewpoint, the Christian viewpoint, it is very important to realize that Christianity is based on faith. We have to figure out for ourselves that Jesus is our savior before we can be saved. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6)

But this does not mean God didn't leave any hints of His actual existence. He clearly wants many of us to get saved, so He helps us a little in achieving that. I will explain a few of those hints from God to you.

First of all there is the Holy Bible. This book is unlike any other book in existence. While it is huge it is also extremely consistent. It is a testimony to what men can achieve when they are possessed by the Holy Spirit. It is almost impossible to read it without realizing God must really exist. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2nd Timothy 3:16)

Second of all there is Hell. God made sure everyone is fully aware of Hell. Even those who do not believe it actually exists. I am sure you have heard of it as well. Hell is the ultimate warning sign. It is the ultimate weapon in convincing as many people to choose Jesus as possible. It is the ultimate sign of God's love for us and His wish that many of us will choose to join Him in Heaven. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)

Third of all there is science. There is no greater proof of God's existence. Where the Bible is consistent, science is not. Where the Bible explains everything around us, science fails at that. A few decades ago they predicted global cooling, suddenly it has become global warming. There isn't a scientific "fact" of the past that hasn't been refuted in the present. And the same will happen to all current scientific "facts" as well.

So as you can see God wants us to work for our salvation. He wants us to figure out on our own He exists and He is the ultimate ruler of all. But He gave us help in many ways to figure out the truth, for those who are open to it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith." (Ephesians 2:8)

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

Finally, someone caught on what I've been on about. I'd have to disagree that He would try to influence you on making a decision on whether to believe in him or not. I've seen many of you state that He wants free will for you, so how is that free if He influences your decision? I'm sorry, but the Bible contradicts itself plenty of times throughout the Bible. I've done a lot of research into religion and most of the stories in the Bible are based off of ancient religions/Astronomy. If you don't believe me, then you can research it yourself. The Bible was written by man and interpreted by man throughout time. If GOD was real, then he would have made a book himself written by himself, and not allowed it to be messed with like it has. I'm pretty confused as to how you can make such claims that science cannot explain everything around us. There are plenty of scientific facts that haven't been refuted. Someone with your type of education shouldn't make such bold claims as this. It makes me mad when people generalize an entire group of people because a few made a few bad decisions. You have to realize that people as a whole are evil, evil creatures, and not just because of their skin, eyes, etc. You cannot damn an entire people because of a few bad actions. It's much easier to pick out the bad in things than the good.

Originally Posted by James Dewitt

=Teach me;679625]

So at one time you loved Jesus. Then you spit on His face as well as your mothers. Its your father fault in part for letting your mother raise you. Its your fault that you hate Jesus. They should have stoned you at 13 years of age.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.






God is the only answer!

I never spit on his face? Jesus has stated that man has his the free will to choose and I chose. I don't think you have the right to pass judgement upon my father, or mother for the way they raised me. I never said I hated Jesus. I have no negative towards any religious people, but ignorant people like yourself. I never disobeyed my mother or father. I lost my mother to M.S. and my father did his best raising me. You may say that GOD is the only answer, but why does the question still exist? You may be an adult, but you have the ignorance of a child, and act like one as well.

Originally Posted by John Creeser

Well, I am going to have to walk away I think. I see no point in continuing to ram my head into a brick wall.

Teach me, if you are seeking proof of God (when it is all around you), then I am afraid it's already too late for you.

You made the mature and intelligent decision here. You did your best, but I only simply asked an easy question for a devout Christian as yourself.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Originally Posted by Teach me

From what I understand you're saying that everything we know is based upon our reality. Thus, the only logical answer could be that it was created by some super omnicient being called GOD?

What else could have created all of this beauty other than such a being? The world was intelligently designed, right? So who else could be the designer?

Who do YOU think created everything?