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Default Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 04:37 PM

So according to you evolutionists it takes millions of years for a species to go extinct.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070629/...ritius_dodo_dc

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Hume said the dodo was almost certainly finished off by animals introduced by Europeans about 400 years ago. Theories that it was hunted to extinction by the Dutch were "total nonsense," he said, adding that the remains were highly fragile.

Extinct in less than hundred years. Sounds like you theory has a really big problem.

Maybe you should open you Bible and get some facts.



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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 06:26 PM

extinction=/=evolution. Evolution happens over such extended periods of time and has nothing to do with extinction, a process that spans far shorter distances.

Maybe you should open your Origin of Species and get some facts.



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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 08:44 PM

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extinction=/=evolution. Evolution happens over such extended periods of time and has nothing to do with extinction, a process that spans far shorter distances.

Maybe you should open your Origin of Species and get some facts.
Take your foul wind somewhere else heathen. It is only mass extinction that occurs in a brief period of time and it is usually because of some external event. Go check your facts, even the neo-Darwinists are not sure how all this happens.


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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 09:21 PM

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Take your foul wind somewhere else heathen. It is only mass extinction that occurs in a brief period of time and it is usually because of some external event. Go check your facts, even the neo-Darwinists are not sure how all this happens.
Ah, but we are not talking about the eruption of a supervolcano nor the extinction of a staggering number of species--this is a predator/prey relationship we are talking about. First, it was entirely fearless of people1, second, it was not only flightless, but also possessed few, if any defences aside from pecking with its beak.

Combine these two factors with the introduction of a predator by the Europeans and you have yourself a newly extinct species on your hands in a very short amount of time.

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As with many animals evolving in isolation from significant predators, the dodo was entirely fearless of people, and this, in combination with its flightlessness, made it easy prey.
Cited from: Scientists pinpoint dodo's demise. BBC News (2003-11-20).



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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 09:56 PM

Fearless of people? How typical of evolutionists, making courage out to be a bad thing. In the real world, son, cowardice is nothing to be proud of and certainly doesn't make one "fitter"—why, just look at the French!


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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 10:08 PM

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Fearless of people? How typical of evolutionists, making courage out to be a bad thing. In the real world, son, cowardice is nothing to be proud of and certainly doesn't make one "fitter"—why, just look at the French!
If you place a newborn next to a python, it (the newborn) will go about its business without fear of said python. Why? Because fear of specific things is not an inherent quality, it is learned through perception of society. To this extent it can not be said that cowardice is being preached, merely self-preservation.



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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-29-2007, 10:41 PM

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If you place a newborn next to a python, it (the newborn) will go about its business without fear of said python. Why? Because fear of specific things is not an inherent quality, it is learned through perception of society. To this extent it can not be said that cowardice is being preached, merely self-preservation.
You's a lie! The Bible tell us that the baby would whack that snake on it head! The LORD Himself had said that, right afta He had tookeded away the snake's legs:

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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-30-2007, 12:47 AM

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You's a lie! The Bible tell us that the baby would whack that snake on it head! The LORD Himself had said that, right afta He had tookeded away the snake's legs:

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Ah, my bad, I was just referring to an article in the National Geographic magazine. Silly me for believing a nationally accredited organization.



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Ah, my bad, I was just referring to an article in the National Geographic magazine. Silly me for believing a nationally accredited organization.
That magazine is nothing but porn and secular lies.

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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-30-2007, 01:34 AM

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That magazine is nothing but porn and secular lies.

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You made me spit out my drink laughing. Ah well, no damage done.

Porn? What gave you that idea? Admittedly, yes, there may be the rare article on some obscure aboriginal tribe or another that do not generally wear much or any clothing, but... porn? However, secular lies? Meh, sure. Why not? Porn... Are we still talking about National Geographic?



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Ah, but we are not talking about the eruption of a supervolcano nor the extinction of a staggering number of species--this is a predator/prey relationship we are talking about. First, it was entirely fearless of people1, second, it was not only flightless, but also possessed few, if any defences aside from pecking with its beak.

Combine these two factors with the introduction of a predator by the Europeans and you have yourself a newly extinct species on your hands in a very short amount of time.

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Cited from: Scientists pinpoint dodo's demise. BBC News (2003-11-20).
Your sources are so typical of LIEberal lies; they are always trying to blame human activity for some problem or alleged impending catastrophe. The so-called "predators" that the Europeans brought were domesticated animals that are typically not predatory (and I doubt that they brought any "pet" pythons along either). The dodo was also a large bird (typically weighting around 50 pounds) that reportedly tasted bad and had tough meat. No one was interested in eating them.

By your reasoning the chicken and turkey should also be extinct as they can not fly and only have a beak to defend themselves. There is also nothing much dumber than a chicken or a turkey (with the possible exception of some of the unsaved trash that post on this Godly forum). Your assertion that the dodo was "fearless" of people is pure speculation, there were no reports of it and there are no dodo's around to test that hypothesis.

What you did not do is thoroughly read and comprehend your own Wikipedia references. Had you done so you would have come across possibly the real cause of the dodo's extinction:

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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 06-30-2007, 01:21 PM

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Your sources are so typical of LIEberal lies; they are always trying to blame human activity for some problem or alleged impending catastrophe. The so-called "predators" that the Europeans brought were domesticated animals that are typically not predatory (and I doubt that they brought any "pet" pythons along either). The dodo was also a large bird (typically weighting around 50 pounds) that reportedly tasted bad and had tough meat. No one was interested in eating them.
The python was just an example to illustrate that such fear is not instinctive, it must be learned from society.

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By your reasoning the chicken and turkey should also be extinct as they can not fly and only have a beak to defend themselves. There is also nothing much dumber than a chicken or a turkey (with the possible exception of some of the unsaved trash that post on this Godly forum). Your assertion that the dodo was "fearless" of people is pure speculation, there were no reports of it and there are no dodo's around to test that hypothesis.
On your first point, you are quite mistaken for humans domesticated both (though not to such an extent with the turkey) for their good-tasting meat. As such, many were largely protected from predators and others learned to avoid humans rather quickly as their habitats were developed.

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What you did not do is thoroughly read and comprehend your own Wikipedia references. Had you done so you would have come across possibly the real cause of the dodo's extinction:
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It is only mass extinction that occurs in a brief period of time
For again we are not talking about a mass extinction, an extinction that generally affects taxonomic groups rather than an individual species. We are talking about the localized extinction of a single avian species and you have only proved that such a flood would only have aided in the extermination of an "already extinction-prone species." This statement suggests that the Dodo was already on its way towards extinction prior to the supposed flood.



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Once again you fail miserably at comprehension and critical thinking, not to mention your totally inept LIEberal education.

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The python was just an example to illustrate that such fear is not instinctive, it must be learned from society.
This notion is completely wrong. Fear is indeed instinctive and is mitigated in the brain by a structure known as the limbic system (part of the autonomic nervous system - fear is also known as the "fight-or-flight" response). We actually have to learn to trust things, not the other way around. No one would survive if there were not an instinctive fear, God made this automatic so that animals would not be completely helpless when they are young.

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On your first point, you are quite mistaken for humans domesticated both (though not to such an extent with the turkey) for their good-tasting meat. As such, many were largely protected from predators and others learned to avoid humans rather quickly as their habitats were developed.
So now you, the alleged defender of Darwin, are asserting that there never was a time that chickens and turkeys were not domesticated. You must be incredibly stupid or are just putting forth sophomoric statements just to be argumentative.

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You still defeat your own point in this.
No, I used your own sources to defeat you.

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For again we are not talking about a mass extinction, an extinction that generally affects taxonomic groups rather than an individual species. We are talking about the localized extinction of a single avian species and you have only proved that such a flood would only have aided in the extermination of an "already extinction-prone species." This statement suggests that the Dodo was already on its way towards extinction prior to the supposed flood.
Now it is you that are confused. You originally asserted that extinction had nothing to do with evolution. The original question in this thread was the discrepancy over the short time it took for the Dodo to disappear and the Darwinist theory that evolution occurs over long periods of time. Now you are somehow agreeing that the Dodo "was already on its way towards extinction". So now which side are you really on? Does evolution have anything to do with extinction or not?

This bring us back to my original post on this matter which was that the Darwinists and neo-Darwinists are still not sure how all this takes place. Research on evolution has mainly concentrated on speciation, not extinction. The fact of the matter is that species are going extinct all the time, your Darwinists claim that this is a natural process.

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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 07-01-2007, 07:38 AM

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So according to you evolutionists it takes millions of years for a species to go extinct.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070629/...ritius_dodo_dc




Extinct in less than hundred years. Sounds like you theory has a really big problem.

Maybe you should open you Bible and get some facts.
Simple. The article you posted actually supports evolution, by the way.
Anyway, the dodo evolved into a fat easy target. Lots of other things wanted to eat it. End of dodo, end of story.



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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 07-01-2007, 02:44 PM

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This notion is completely wrong. Fear is indeed instinctive and is mitigated in the brain by a structure known as the limbic system (part of the autonomic nervous system - fear is also known as the "fight-or-flight" response). We actually have to learn to trust things, not the other way around. No one would survive if there were not an instinctive fear, God made this automatic so that animals would not be completely helpless when they are young.
Though true in select instances, such examples as I illustrated show that environment and society are also, in many instances, large contributors to such responses. The video entailed below gives a very brief description of this, however, it has been shown that if a species has no natural predators in their habitat, they will not tend to be [as] fearful of any newly introduced species in said habitat. Reference


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So now you, the alleged defender of Darwin, are asserting that there never was a time that chickens and turkeys were not domesticated. You must be incredibly stupid or are just putting forth sophomoric statements just to be argumentative.
And again, I must correct you, for I was alleging that humans, at one point, domesticated the animals, never that they have been domestic since their creation. How you arrived at that conclusion remains an enigma to me.

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Now it is you that are confused. You originally asserted that extinction had nothing to do with evolution. The original question in this thread was the discrepancy over the short time it took for the Dodo to disappear and the Darwinist theory that evolution occurs over long periods of time. Now you are somehow agreeing that the Dodo "was already on its way towards extinction". So now which side are you really on? Does evolution have anything to do with extinction or not?
Forgive me for this digression, but have you never learned to debate without the use of logical fallacies? I said nothing of evolution and here you are incessantly trying to work it in where it does not belong. Yes, the dodo was already on its way to extinction, whether you want to place the supposed flood else the introduced predators first on the timeline, both events would in turn lead to the species' extinction. And yet, without delving into ridiculously deep intricacies, we see no relevant mention of evolution in this argument.

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This bring us back to my original post on this matter which was that the Darwinists and neo-Darwinists are still not sure how all this takes place. Research on evolution has mainly concentrated on speciation, not extinction. The fact of the matter is that species are going extinct all the time, your Darwinists claim that this is a natural process.
Yes, there are, in essence, two types of extinction: extinction through evolution, else a lack thereof and extinction through introduction. In the former, the process argued by supporters of evolution, as a species evolves, its directly former evolutionary form will, in essence, die out and be replaced by this new creature. A second digression of this type of evolution is that in which a species fails to evolve in par with its ecological competitors and is in turn either hunted to extinction, else starved to extinction.

Now, in the latter form aforementioned, extinction will occur when a new variable is introduced into the ecosystem, thus throwing off a balance. The variable will inevitably find its own niche in the habitat, and will likely displace any number of other species who will then fail to adapt in sufficient time and will become extinct as thus. This second process has naught to do with natural extinction and the natural process of evolution and is generally a man-made occurrence.

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Rather irrelevant to our argument, however, it is rather out of a lack of sufficient interest, not out of stupidity, that I have since refrained from delving over your Bible. Of course, it is likely that I shall indeed remain unsaved trash. I do believe that I can live with that.
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Ah, but we are not talking about the eruption of a supervolcano nor the extinction of a staggering number of species--this is a predator/prey relationship we are talking about. First, it was entirely fearless of people1, second, it was not only flightless, but also possessed few, if any defences aside from pecking with its beak.
If "the survival of the fittest" is real, then how did such a staggeringly unfit animal survive for so long? According to the Darwinist account, this useless animal managed to survive for over 5,000 years. That makes no sense at all.
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Anyway, the dodo evolved into a fat easy target.
Again, species are supposed to evolve to become stronger, not weaker. Sounds like you're advocating your backwards anti-God (but also anti-Darwin) "devolution" philosophy again. I need scarcely remind you that, when God made man, He most certainly did not need a monkey to provide the glue!


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Default Re: Care to explain the Dodo bird Darwinist??? - 07-04-2007, 05:14 PM

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If "the survival of the fittest" is real, then how did such a staggeringly unfit animal survive for so long? According to the Darwinist account, this useless animal managed to survive for over 5,000 years. That makes no sense at all.
Well, it really does. The Dodo had no natural predators nor any other geographic need to evolve and defence mechanisms.

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Again, species are supposed to evolve to become stronger, not weaker.
Yes, when the need is present, according to punctuated equilibrium. You are referring to gradualism, a dual to the theory aforementioned. According to punctuated equilibrium, evolution in a species happens in relatively short "bursts," so to speak; these bursts likely occurring only when a need for change is present in the species' habitat. Gradualism states that species are constantly evolving at a slow and regulated pace. This theory can, however, be discarded providing that the following criteria, defined by the Hardy-Weinberg principle, are met:
  • No gene flow can occur (e.g. no migration of individuals into, or out of, a population)
  • No gene mutations can occur
  • Large population as to minimize the effects of genetic drift
  • Random mating must occur
  • No selection can occur so that certain alleles are not selected for, or against.
Obviously, this can never exist in real life, however, the Hardy-Weinberg formulas allow us to detect allele frequency changes per generation, allowing for a simpler method of determining whether or not evolution is occurring.
p2 + 2pq + q2 = 1 and p + q = 1

p = frequency of the dominant allele in the population
q = frequency of the recessive allele in the population
p2 = percentage of homozygous dominant individuals
q2 = percentage of homozygous recessive individuals
2pq = percentage of heterozygous individuals
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p2 + 2pq + q2 = 1 and p + q = 1

p = frequency of the dominant allele in the population
q = frequency of the recessive allele in the population
p2 = percentage of homozygous dominant individuals
q2 = percentage of homozygous recessive individuals
2pq = percentage of heterozygous individuals
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