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Default An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 04:30 PM

This is not a bashing or persecution of your religion

You know, despite the fact that I do not believe God, I have read the bible from Genesis to Revelation and I have 3 verses of scripture memorized that particularly speak to me.

2nd Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

I think that most politicians should take this piece of advice to heart. Taxes imposed on hardworking Americans to support those who do not produce are a major contributing reason to why our country is in debt. If they were to be removed, it would release some of the tension from the working and middle classes and motivate the Welfare masses to get jobs.

Isaiah 9:2-4
2The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. 3Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian.



Luke 1:18-20
18And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years. 19And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
20And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 04:47 PM

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This is not a bashing or persecution of your religion

You know, despite the fact that I do not believe God, I have read the bible from Genesis to Revelation and I have 3 verses of scripture memorized that particularly speak to me.

2nd Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

I think that most politicians should take this piece of advice to heart. Taxes imposed on hardworking Americans to support those who do not produce are a major contributing reason to why our country is in debt. If they were to be removed, it would release some of the tension from the working and middle classes and motivate the Welfare masses to get jobs.
I take it you are a rich man or are you pre-rich? I don't know how to put this in a diplomatic way, but go die in a fire. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

1Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
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Proverbs 25:21-22 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

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Middle Class actually...
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Middle Class actually...
Excellent! I want you to burn your mother's social security card and pay cash for all her doctors visits after she retires. I also want you to return the money the government sends her for retirement.

It's the patriotic thing to do, wouldn't you agree?


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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 04:57 PM

Ah, I see you think me an Anachro-Capitalist... and you would be wrong. I simply don't believe in the institution of welfare.
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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 05:29 PM

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Ah, I see you think me an Anachro-Capitalist... and you would be wrong. I simply don't believe in the institution of welfare.
Which is precisely why you are not a Christian. The Bible often speaks of love and charity to your fellow man. You follow the party that suckers Christians in with lip service to Christ when He would be appalled by your Ayn Rand like disgusting greed.

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31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Proverbs 25:21-22 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 05:58 PM

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Which is precisely why you are not a Christian. The Bible often speaks of love and charity to your fellow man. You just follow the party that suckers Christians in with lip service to Christ when He would be appalled by your Ayn Rand like disgusting greed.
We're way ahead of you, nancy.


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Middle Class actually...
Oh, so you only make $250K a year?
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Ah, I see you think me an Anachro-Capitalist... and you would be wrong. I simply don't believe in the institution of welfare.
And as you see God doesn't ether. Put bluntly the poor are evil people from un-American backgrounds who deserve every bit of misery the economy can inflict upon them. Then, they enough suffering, they might learn to be good people before they die like the useless animals they are.



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This is not a bashing or persecution of your religion

You know, despite the fact that I do not believe God...
I stopped reading at this point. Why would anyone care what an atheist has to say about anything? If you were right about stuff, you'd be a Christian.


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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 08:39 PM

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I stopped reading at this point. Why would anyone care what an atheist has to say about anything? If you were right about stuff, you'd be a Christian.
If you would have read two or three more words, you would have seen that I only posted verses that I found meaningful. I am being sincere.

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Oh, so you only make $250K a year?

And as you see God doesn't ether. Put bluntly the poor are evil people from un-American backgrounds who deserve every bit of misery the economy can inflict upon them. Then, they enough suffering, they might learn to be good people before they die like the useless animals they are.
I would say $250K a year is more Upper-Middle class, no?

And I have to say that I agree with the latter portion of your statement.

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Which is precisely why you are not a Christian. The Bible often speaks of love and charity to your fellow man. You follow the party that suckers Christians in with lip service to Christ when He would be appalled by your Ayn Rand like disgusting greed.
No... I'm not a christian because I don't believe in God... I though that was self-evident but I guess I'm wrong.

Personal Charity is the enemy of justice. I'd rather encourage hard work and getting what you earn for yourself then encouraging lethargic bums to continue their lifestyle. Giving to the poor only re-enforces the assumption that they can lead a meaningless existance. Also Ayn Rand had some superb ideas, and nowhere is there such a thing that could be considered greed in her philosophy.
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If you would have read two or three more words, you would have seen that I only posted verses that I found meaningful. I am being sincere.
I see. You post scripture when you find it profitable for you. Oh my, it looks like someone is going all John Galt on us.

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No... I'm not a christian because I don't believe in God... I though that was self-evident but I guess I'm wrong.

Personal Charity is the enemy of justice. I'd rather encourage hard work and getting what you earn for yourself then encouraging lethargic bums to continue their lifestyle. Giving to the poor only re-enforces the assumption that they can lead a meaningless existance. Also Ayn Rand had some superb ideas, and nowhere is there such a thing that could be considered greed in her philosophy.
Wait until you are unemployed from a job that paid nearly 100k a year.

Are you still planning to pay all your mommy's medical bills in cash and her upkeep with your own money, Mr. Gault?

While we are at it, let's privatize the police and fire departments as well. Only those who actually work deserve protection, right?


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I see. You post scripture when you find it profitable for you. Oh my, it looks like someone is going all John Galt on us.



Wait until you are unemployed from a job that paid nearly 100k a year.

Are you still planning to pay all your mommy's medical bills in cash and her upkeep with your own money, Mr. Gault?
Unemployment and Welfare are two very different things, Mr. Samuel Coleridge.

You seem to be hung up on the fact that a non christian posted scripture. I just found something in your sacred text that I found interesting and wanted to see how the rest of you felt about it. And was calling me John Galt supposed to be an insult?
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Personal Charity is the enemy of justice. I'd rather encourage hard work and getting what you earn for yourself then encouraging lethargic bums to continue their lifestyle. Giving to the poor only re-enforces the assumption that they can lead a meaningless existance. Also Ayn Rand had some superb ideas, and nowhere is there such a thing that could be considered greed in her philosophy.
You agee that welfare is evil, the poor should be punished for being poor and are in the Middle Class. How can you not be a Christian friend?



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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 08:56 PM

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If you would have read two or three more words, you would have seen that I only posted verses that I found meaningful.
That's your first mistake. This isn't about what you find to be meaningful; it's God's word, you don't get to tell God what to tell you.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Every word, not just those words that you happen to like.
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Unemployment and Welfare are two very different things, Mr. Samuel Coleridge.
In much the same way that idleness is very different from sloth. God hates them both, that's all that matters.


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


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Unemployment and Welfare are two very different things, Mr. Samuel Coleridge.
Where in the USA does this term "welfare" come into play? You are opposed to medicare or perhaps food stamps?

You should rejoice my randian friend that companies can pay lower wages than are livable. The government actually subsidizes your beloved businesses by closing the gap between eating or not.

More people than you know are being forced into this than you know.

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You seem to be hung up on the fact that a non christian posted scripture.
My only problem with you is the fact that you twist scripture to fit your hateful "f**k you. I got mine," mentality spawned by a meth addled whore.

You honestly think the unemployed or poor don't want to work or improve their situation?


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I just found something in your sacred text that I found interesting and wanted to see how the rest of you felt about it.
Do us both a favor and don't play with things you don't understand, child. The Bible is a dangerous tool for people who don't understand it.

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For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

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You honestly think the unemployed or poor don't want to work or improve their situation?
Yes... Not all but definitely many. You may find this hard to believe, but is actually possible to better your own economic standing on your own merit in this country.
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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 09:22 PM

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My only problem with you is the fact that you twist scripture to fit your hateful "f**k you. I got mine," mentality spawned by a meth addled whore.
Please point out where I twisted anything...
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Yes... Not all but definitely many. You may find this hard to believe, but is actually possible to better your own economic standing on your own merit in this country.
Indeed! I see a day in the USA where we are all MBA's making 100k a year.

The old get a better job repuke meme. I suppose you are okay with your MBA 100k+ Wal-Mart checker and bag boy.

You are okay with low prices at the stores, but whine about people getting food stamps. When your heart was removed, was it replaced with human feces or dog feces?

Yes, yes. The GOP platform. "Let them die in the streets!."

Good luck with that.


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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 09:32 PM

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Please point out where I twisted anything...
Finally, I can get to some Bible teaching!

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6But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

7Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
But you don't believe in any of this stuff anyway, do you?

You worship the GOP and that meth addled whore Rand.


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Default Re: An Atheist's favorite Bible Verse - 07-29-2010, 11:51 PM

Here is a verse of Scripture that you should find very relevant.

Psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.


II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power



The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony
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