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Default Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 09-06-2007, 02:41 PM

Genesis 4-6

We have now left behind the story of creation, and who (who has read Genesis 1) can dispute that it's EXACTLY how it was done?

Lets read the first few words in Genesis 4:1

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife;

You'll remember they were running around nekkid as a jaybird before, but suddenly Adam KNEW his wife. In this case KNEW means "had sex with".

(continues)and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

See children are a gift from the Lord.

If you do a search of the Bible (KJV1611) for the word KNEW, you'll find of the first 4 times the word is used, only once does it mean knowledge of, every other time, it means intercourse. (It also means intercourse the 6th time it's used.)

Later in Genesis 4:8, we have the story of brotherly love, where Cain kills his brother Abel.

Then we have the LORD making Cain be a wanderer.

To me, one of the most interesting verses in the Bible (KJV1611) is Genesis 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

According to most false christians (who try to believe the creation story), there were only 3 people on the earth at that time. Adam, Eve and Cain (with the dead Abel). In Genesis 4:14, we see Cain saying EVERY ONE. Who else was there, according to them there's only 2 others. Of course Adam and Eve might be mad that their son killed their other son, but probably not enough to have him killed. So who were EVERY ONE?

Those are the people who were created on day 6.

Then we see the Cain took a wife from someplace else, a woman who obviously wasn't one of his sisters, (in verse 16).

Now it gets interesting.

Chapter 5 is begets, they are important, but lets read on to chapter 6.

God gets angry, and has Noah build the ark.

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

We come to find out later that he's also a drunkard, and cursed one of his grandchildren.

Then Noah put stuff on the ark.

And that concludes today.

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 09-06-2007, 07:27 PM

Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?


The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstance of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins...he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copied certain things of those that be divine."
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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 09-06-2007, 08:11 PM

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Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.


The way I read it, (with no interpretation) is Cain's wife was part of the people that the LORD made on day 6, when He said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" in Genesis 1:26.

According to Wiki, it claims that Cain married his sister Awan (this is supposedly in the book of jubilees).

Now, some people claim that the "land of nod" means a place of wandering, and that Cain was forced to wander forever (somehow escaping the flood). But we later see that Cain founded a city and named it for his son Enoch, so, the curse of wandering obviously wasn't a very strong one.

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 09-07-2007, 02:00 AM

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Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

The way I read it, (with no interpretation) is Cain's wife was part of the people that the LORD made on day 6, when He said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" in Genesis 1:26.

According to Wiki, it claims that Cain married his sister Awan (this is supposedly in the book of jubilees).

Now, some people claim that the "land of nod" means a place of wandering, and that Cain was forced to wander forever (somehow escaping the flood). But we later see that Cain founded a city and named it for his son Enoch, so, the curse of wandering obviously wasn't a very strong one.

Hope this helps

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I have always wondered who Cain married, Brother V, and this explains it nicely!

I do like these daily Bible studies, starting from the beginning, this makes it all so much easier to understand, and I'm looking forward the each new day now, brother!

Praise!


1st Timothy 2: 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2: 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works ...


1 Timothy 5: 16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed ...

Proverbs 31: 26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness ...
Proverbs 31: 27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness ...
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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 02-11-2008, 07:51 PM

I'm sorry, it seems I am late to the Bible study. I will do my best to catch up, as I am interested in learning along with you all.

I do have a question, however. As a farmer, I am interested in the story of Cain and Abel. Why did God favor Abel the shepherd and why did he show disdain for Cain the farmer? Perhaps this part of Genesis is a parallel to the hardscrabble life that farmers have always had. While tilling the Earth is fulfilling for some (me included), the rewards are far from great. Maybe God still does not favor farmers...


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I'm sorry, it seems I am late to the Bible study. I will do my best to catch up, as I am interested in learning along with you all.

I do have a question, however. As a farmer, I am interested in the story of Cain and Abel. Why did God favor Abel the shepherd and why did he show disdain for Cain the farmer? Perhaps this part of Genesis is a parallel to the hardscrabble life that farmers have always had. While tilling the Earth is fulfilling for some (me included), the rewards are far from great. Maybe God still does not favor farmers...
God favoured Abel more than Cain because Abel offered the best of his flock to the LORD; while Cain's offering was fruit that fell from the trees.

Genesis 4: 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Abel gave the best of his flock; while Cain could have given the best of the fruit, however, he gave the fruit that had fallen, so it was probably bruised and might have had worms.

The LORD would have respected Cain's offering if it was quality fruit, but it wasn't.

Hope this helps.

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 02-12-2008, 12:14 AM

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Abel gave the best of his flock; while Cain could have given the best of the fruit, however, he gave the fruit that had fallen, so it was probably bruised and might have had worms.
If I may comment, I believe there is more to this important story than you're letting on, Brother V. We know from Scripture that God seeks blood for the remission of sins. In fact, God wasn't satisfied until he had watched his own Son bleed to death on the Cross for our justification. Hebrews 9:22 makes this point very clearly: "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."

Clearly, God accepted Abel's offering because it involved the bloodied remains of dead animals, but He was disappointed in Cain's offering, but it was bloodless and did not do justice to God's plan of redemption.

Incidentally, are you aware that this story is where we get the modern term "fruit" as a euphemism for a sodomite from? Unlike the brawny Abel, Cain was a sissy-boy, afraid to get his hands dirty with blood and the battered remains of sacrificed animals. This is why he daintily skipped off into the fields to find some clean, bloodless fruit to "offer" to the Lord. Ironically, his fear of dirtying his hands with animal blood eventually led him to dirty his hands with his own brother's blood.


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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 02-12-2008, 12:18 AM

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Those are the people who were created on day 6.
Brother, I hate to use the "h" word, but this sounds like heresy to me. Can you please show me chapter and verse in God's Word where it says that people other than Adam and Eve were created on day six of the seven-day creation week?


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Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Then when you look in Genesis 2, there is the seventh day.

Genesis 2: 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

After that, in Genesis 2, God creates Adam.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So, if you read Genesis chronologically, you see that on day 6 he made man; on day 7 he rested; then he later made Adam.

As to your other post; we aren't told if Abel's firstlings were sacrificed, we are only told that they were offered to the LORD.

Granted, the verse says he brought the fat thereof; but that could have referenced the fatter sheep.

The next offering that was mentioned in the Bible was from Noah.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

The interesting thing is that we aren't told the difference between clean and unclean beasts yet.

Hope this helps;

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 02-12-2008, 12:43 AM

Wait a second, Brother - are trying to tell me that Adam and Eve weren't really the first man and woman to walk the earth? You're not a believer in the Gap Theory, are you?


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Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Then when you look in Genesis 2, there is the seventh day.

Genesis 2: 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

After that, in Genesis 2, God creates Adam.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So, if you read Genesis chronologically, you see that on day 6 he made man; on day 7 he rested; then he later made Adam.

As to your other post; we aren't told if Abel's firstlings were sacrificed, we are only told that they were offered to the LORD.

Granted, the verse says he brought the fat thereof; but that could have referenced the fatter sheep.

The next offering that was mentioned in the Bible was from Noah.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

The interesting thing is that we aren't told the difference between clean and unclean beasts yet.

Hope this helps;

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In many scriptures, man is is as a plural. If one reads this passage as a child would, 'man' would mean many not just Adam and Eve. Therefore man and women would indicate that the world was populated by many.

Of course as the Bible is the word of God, and as mortals we can not know God, all this is speculation as to what God really meant.

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Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?
Brother Guy, There is noting wrong with Nigras. Please refer to the song of Solomon.

Chapter 1 verse 5: I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

of course her man is white as indicated in Chapter 5 Verse 10: My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.


So it is God's will that white men lie with Nigra women.

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In many scriptures, man is is as a plural. If one reads this passage as a child would, 'man' would mean many not just Adam and Eve. Therefore man and women would indicate that the world was populated by many.

Of course as the Bible is the word of God, and as mortals we can not know God, all this is speculation as to what God really meant.

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Many scriptures indeed refer to "man as plural". But not God's account of the first one.

Genesis very cleary describes the FIRST man on earth:

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"And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him." Genesis 2:20 - KJV
"Adam" is translated into Godly US English, through Greek, from the original hebe language as the definite article prefixed joo masculine noun they wrote as אדם

Any joo will tell you this means "the man". Not "men", and most certainly not women.

If you don't believe in the original sin of one man, why do you need God or Jesus at all?

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 07-19-2010, 02:10 AM

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Brother Guy, There is noting wrong with Nigras. Please refer to the song of Solomon.

Chapter 1 verse 5: I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

of course her man is white as indicated in Chapter 5 Verse 10: My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

So it is God's will that white men lie with Nigra women.

Just sayin.
You are confusing "Negro" with what they thought of as black. They meant bedouins and gypsies of the desert, not the darkies of the Congo we know today.

Please don't be so pretentious that you know God's will. After all, it's your soul to perish:

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 07-19-2010, 03:24 AM

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Many scriptures indeed refer to "man as plural". But not God's account of the first one.

Genesis very cleary describes the FIRST man on earth:



"Adam" is translated into Godly US English, through Greek, from the original hebe language as the definite article prefixed joo masculine noun they wrote as אדם

Any joo will tell you this means "the man". Not "men", and most certainly not women.

If you don't believe in the original sin of one man, why do you need God or Jesus at all?

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Brother Rubicon,

My study of the bible is very rudimentary at this time. My comment was based on Brother V's teachings:

"According to most false Christians (who try to believe the creation story), there were only 3 people on the earth at that time. Adam, Eve and Cain (with the dead Abel). In Genesis 4:14, we see Cain saying EVERY ONE. Who else was there, according to them there's only 2 others. Of course Adam and Eve might be mad that their son killed their other son, but probably not enough to have him killed. So who were EVERY ONE?

Those are the people who were created on day 6.

Then we see the Cain took a wife from someplace else, a woman who obviously wasn't one of his sisters, (in verse 16)."


Please guide me if I have misunderstood Brother V's words.


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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 07-19-2010, 03:31 AM

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You are confusing "Negro" with what they thought of as black. They meant bedouins and gypsies of the desert, not the darkies of the Congo we know today.

Please don't be so pretentious that you know God's will. After all, it's your soul to perish:

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Brother Rubicon,

Brother Guy stated Monkey or Nigra. I mistakenly made the assumption that he was referring bedouins and gypsies as we know that Cain made no such journey to the heart of Africa.
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Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?"



I would never intentional assume to know God's will, but as a ignorant sinner I will slip back into my vile ways and truly do appreciate your knowledgeable corrections Brother Rubicon.

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Brother Rubicon,

Brother Guy stated Monkey or Nigra. I mistakenly made the assumption that he was referring bedouins and gypsies as we know that Cain made no such journey to the heart of Africa.
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Sorry to bother u Brother V - Where did Cain get his wife from? He didn't marry an ol' monkey did he - or a Nigra?"



I would never intentional assume to know God's will, but as a ignorant sinner I will slip back into my vile ways and truly do appreciate your knowledgeable corrections Brother Rubicon.

May I one day be worthy to shout GLORY with a clean heart!
Change your Satanic Mooslim avatar before we continue.

Then we can discuss your foul spirit, self-sodomy and failing in basic theology and etymology.

Until then, you are hardly worthy of anything. Count your blessings that you even remain here.

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 07-19-2010, 01:02 PM

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Change your Satanic Mooslim avatar before we continue.

Then we can discuss your foul spirit, self-sodomy and failing in basic theology and etymology.

Until then, you are hardly worthy of anything. Count your blessings that you even remain here.

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Default Re: Day 2. Genesis 4-6 - 07-19-2010, 03:09 PM

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Many scriptures indeed refer to "man as plural". But not God's account of the first one.

Genesis very cleary describes the FIRST man on earth:



"Adam" is translated into Godly US English, through Greek, from the original hebe language as the definite article prefixed joo masculine noun they wrote as אדם

Any joo will tell you this means "the man". Not "men", and most certainly not women.

If you don't believe in the original sin of one man, why do you need God or Jesus at all?

Yours in Christ!
Dear Rubicon;

Based on my reading of the Bible (KJV1611) I believe that Adam was not the first person.

Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Note the plural "them".

Later in the chapter (verse 31) it is mentioned that it was the end of the sixth day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

In Genesis 2, it mentions the end of creation, and the 7th day of rest.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Prior to the creation of Adam, men and women were just like animals. Soulless creatures. No different than a dog or a cat. It wasn't until God breathed a soul into him, that people gained a soul.

Later, when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, the rest of humanity became self aware.

Hope this helps explain my belief.

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