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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-27-2017, 07:18 PM

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Because if God has endowed us with free will wouldn't him intervening undermine the freewill he intended us to have?
Dear Megan, the Bible says that God creates evil.He doesn't has to create evil. He just creates it.


God is merciful, to those who kneel to Him. He has chosen that way. He created the world, He owns it, so He does as He pleases.


His choice is to make unbelievers and then make them suffer. Odd choice, but we owe Him our lives, so we got to do everything we can to please Him.


I have always wondered what happens in Heaven, if you do something that displeases the Lord. Will He cast you to Hell? Or is like a one time test, once you are in you never get out? My guess is just hypothetical, because we are so few that go into Heaven that obviously we know what pleases and displeases the Lord.
I always imagine myself going to talk with the ancestors, talking about how much we dislike the Jebusites and how much we like Jacob and how we hate Esau. And I imagine God smiling pleased by our conversations.


Of course, there is a reason why you and me cannot be gods. For example, I will chose to make people disappear instead of an eternity of suffering. An eternity is a lot of time, an people there in Hell maybe never heard about you, because you choose not to send a missionnaire there.
Or maybe they wore mixed fabric one day and forgot to repent. Or they sold their birthright because they were hungry.
Keeping them suffering a bazillion years is not enough, let's keep them for the eternity! Sounds harsh.
Then I remember God created the cows and gave us dominion over them so we can have barbeques, and smile, and thank, and pray without ceasing!


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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-27-2017, 10:48 PM

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Because if God has endowed us with free will wouldn't him intervening undermine the freewill he intended us to have?
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of just how powerful Jesus is. If He wants to prevent someone from exercising their Free Will, like say the Pharaoh of old (Exodus 9:12), then He does so and no one can stop Him and it's perfectly perfect and good because He is Perfect and Good. If He wants to make reality such that we simultaneously have Free Will and have no Free Will, then that is reality because no one can stop Him and no one can change His Rules. In fact, the disciple John records just such a reality when Christ explains Salvation and our participation in such a Divine Event. We choose it, and yet Christ chooses for us (John 3:16;John 15:16). This is only because Jesus is so powerful and no one can stop Him.

So my advice is to stop worrying about irrelevant things like Free Will and start worrying about your impending Eternal Damnation.

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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-27-2017, 11:07 PM

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Large chunks of the Old Testament have been copied from older Mesopotamian sources.
A total misreading of the History of God: the problem we have is “Chinese whispering” – the Story of Genesis as laid out in KJV1611 is accurate. As the story progressed from mouth to mouth, the further the story moved geographically and linguistically the more the meanings and subtleties was lost. When unearthed, these errors, omissions and additions were quickly discovered, and God, in His Infinite Wisdom decided that the eradication of this erroneous creed should be thorough. However, Satan, Father of Lies and Confusion, was seated deep in the mind of those Babylonians and Ugarits – lands of false prophets, and thus we have actual proof of the errors of their ways.
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The creation story is clearly based on Enuma Elish.
No. Enuma Elish is based on the Divine Revelation of Creation
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The Flood story is a revamped version of Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh is clearly a derivative of the Noahide Flood
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Story of Moses is modeled after the biography of Sargon the Great - the basket in the river and all.
In those days, a lot of children were put in baskets in rivers… The fact that it happened to Moses is neither here nor there as far as Christianity is concerned – Moses might well have been placed in a handbag on the four-thrity Dhow to Thebes for all it matters.
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The Old Testament laws were modeled after the Ur-Nammu and later Hammurabi law codes - which was possibly copied from Urukagina's, but that text didn't survive.
Oh… I see, the text didn’t survive… now, just remind me, what was I saying about stories being told? I assume you are now agreeing with me.
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Moving on to the New Testament, the whole die-for-your-sins idea is clearly a reheated Osiris story, and John's gospel is so Gnostic it's truly surprising that it was not thrown to the Apocrypha pile when the canon of the Bible was being decided.
Hmm… Isis used magic to bring her husband back to life, and then had sex with him – Can you just remind me where that happened to Jesus in John’s Gospel… or any of the others? When Jesus came back to life, that was not magic, was it?
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I wish humanity invented writing earlier than it did. Then, maybe we could trace the religion lineage all the way to the oldest temple on earth, and understand the evolution of religions better.
If you are saying that you are grasping for some proof that God exists – just look at the Bible – He dictated it. And as for that group of stones in the middle of nowhere – God Himself knows why it was there and that’s enough for me.
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Maybe this lovely community is correct,
There’s no “maybe” about it. We’ve got the Bible.
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but maybe they are wrong and the Baha'i are correct. Or maybe the Suhrawardiyya Sufi Muslims are the ones who got it right,
Seriously? Then why do bad things keep happening to them?
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Or maybe only some random shamanistic Siberian tribe is right.
You’re rambling…
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Or maybe all religions are wrong and have been invented to bring comfort for in times of suffering, and to keep masses in control of the elites?
True Christianity is much more than that – it is so obvious that it almost requires no proof. I have been schooled in the ways of The Lord for as long as I can remember – now why would my parents, my pastors, my friends be mistaken as well as I?
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A god weeping when people kill each other in his name.
It’s like your Nigra-Hounds fighting each other – eventually, if you leave them, they settle it among themselves and your will (a metaphor for God’s Will) triumphs.
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Tell me, does he not interfere in all of these mass murders because he can't, or because he doesn't want to - he prefers weeping over action?
Dear Lord! I’ve just told you! Can’t you read?
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We are just lab rats in God's laboratory.
Well, we are unworthy before Him, aren’t we? We are small soft bundles of “nothing in particular”
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He doesn't care about individual rats, He's just observing an experiment.
Lu:12:6: Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Lu:12:7: But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
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...Of course, then I remember Hell and I'm afraid I'm going there for my heretic thoughts.
I always thought that God might give consideration to a 1-800 number direct to Hell, which the agnostic and the weak of faith could call to hear the Eternity of screams of agony.

I know that is is a simple sport to mislead a Catholic, but you should take a little more care - you should realise how gullible they are. Jesus's simple Truth - a parable like the cursing of the Fig Tree for example, is far more appropriate.

I hope this helps…





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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-28-2017, 04:05 AM

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Because if God has endowed us with free will wouldn't him intervening undermine the freewill he intended us to have?
In this case, what would be the point of praying for God's help?


Let me explain my thought. A person prays to God for help for two basic reasons - either because of being hurt by another human being, or due to some natural disaster/disease. The latter are beautiful acts of God who just wants to see people suffering loosing their possessions, families, and apparently He has a real thing for little children suffering and dying from cancer. So you'd be basically praying to God for Him to change His mind, and therefore make Him acknowledge that He was somehow wrong when He smote your house with a hurricane. Not a very smart thing.


However, if you are praying because you are being hurt by another human being, God -- according to your own definition of free will -- cannot interfere because He would be interfering with your tormentor's free will. Hence, God cannot reply to a prayer of a raped child. He cannot reply to a prayer of a beaten and starving slave. He cannot reply to a prayer of a tortured political prisoner. He cannot reply to a prayer of any innocent person suffering any sort of persecution - because that would be infringing on the free will of the people doing the persecution.


So basically, if the free will is so important, then prayer is meaningless.


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A total misreading of the History of God: the problem we have is “Chinese whispering” – the Story of Genesis as laid out in KJV1611 is accurate. As the story progressed from mouth to mouth, the further the story moved geographically and linguistically the more the meanings and subtleties was lost. When unearthed, these errors, omissions and additions were quickly discovered, and God, in His Infinite Wisdom decided that the eradication of this erroneous creed should be thorough.

Thank you for your lecture, Pastor Bathfire. It's always so humbling to read words of a person whose passionate faith cannot be changed by some pesky secular evidence.


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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-29-2017, 12:52 AM

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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of just how powerful Jesus is. If He wants to prevent someone from exercising their Free Will, like say the Pharaoh of old (Exodus 9:12), then He does so and no one can stop Him and it's perfectly perfect and good because He is Perfect and Good. If He wants to make reality such that we simultaneously have Free Will and have no Free Will, then that is reality because no one can stop Him and no one can change His Rules. In fact, the disciple John records just such a reality when Christ explains Salvation and our participation in such a Divine Event. We choose it, and yet Christ chooses for us (John 3:16;John 15:16). This is only because Jesus is so powerful and no one can stop Him.

So my advice is to stop worrying about irrelevant things like Free Will and start worrying about your impending Eternal Damnation.

Glory!
Eh...if heaven means putting up with cold bolded unemphatic bible thumpers damnation would seem like heaven to me. Besides I always kinda Admired Lucifer in some way total rebel.
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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-29-2017, 01:06 AM

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In this case, what would be the point of praying for God's help?


Let me explain my thought. A person prays to God for help for two basic reasons - either because of being hurt by another human being, or due to some natural disaster/disease. The latter are beautiful acts of God who just wants to see people suffering loosing their possessions, families, and apparently He has a real thing for little children suffering and dying from cancer. So you'd be basically praying to God for Him to change His mind, and therefore make Him acknowledge that He was somehow wrong when He smote your house with a hurricane. Not a very smart thing.


However, if you are praying because you are being hurt by another human being, God -- according to your own definition of free will -- cannot interfere because He would be interfering with your tormentor's free will. Hence, God cannot reply to a prayer of a raped child. He cannot reply to a prayer of a beaten and starving slave. He cannot reply to a prayer of a tortured political prisoner. He cannot reply to a prayer of any innocent person suffering any sort of persecution - because that would be infringing on the free will of the people doing the persecution.


So basically, if the free will is so important, then prayer is meaningless.





Thank you for your lecture, Pastor Bathfire. It's always so humbling to read words of a person whose passionate faith cannot be changed by some pesky secular evidence.
I think it depends on who you ask does prayer have meaning? It can... depending on who. I found prayer to be uneffective I'd much rather take action.


Bad things happen to people all time...it's just a fact of life. It's the complex state of being human. We're not animals I believe God when he created life merely told the animals be what you are created to be except cats.


Did I mentioned I think cats are the best gift from God? They seem to do as they please...and all have different personalities. All of them are special in every way. I think good personally crafts each one then breaks the mold when he's done. They're just special.


I think he does the same for dogs...but only personality as they are man's best friend...


Sorry I just love animals.
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...Besides I always kinda Admired Lucifer in some way total rebel.
So edgy.

Yet, completely boring, at the same time.

You should take it on the road.


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I think it depends on who you ask does prayer have meaning? It can... depending on who. I found prayer to be uneffective I'd much rather take action.


Bad things happen to people all time...it's just a fact of life. It's the complex state of being human.
Miss Megan, it seems to me that you are one step from becoming atheist, or at least agnostic. You acknowledge, in some your other posts, that the Bible might not necessarily be the Word of God. I think you acknowledge, even though you have not stated it openly, that as humans we have no way of knowing which, if any, religion of the world is the correct view of God. Now you acknowledge that prayer is not effectual, which basically renders a divinity useless.


If all of the above is true, then why do you keep mentioning God at all? You seem to believe that He created the world and then left or got bored or maybe even died. The latter would seem plausible if we humans were truly made in His image, because dying is something that happens to all humans. Except for Utnapishtim, but Pastor Bathfire already covered that story as being a mere distortion of the Biblical Flood, even though historically the Babilonian version is much older than the Biblical one.


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We're not animals I believe God when he created life merely told the animals be what you are created to be except cats.
This is very interesting. Do you think He knew exactly how the evolution was going to proceed, or did He let it loose like He did with human history? Because we do share a common ancestor with cats. This is it:



Source - a research summary in Nature magazine; link to the original Science article abstract; no full text of the latter article available, unless your library has a subscription.


Wasn't it cute? It was eating insects and it lived shortly after the mass extinction which wiped out most of the dinosaurs.

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Did I mentioned I think cats are the best gift from God?
Which ones?


This is the cat family tree; here is a link to a larger/more readable version. Original article in Nature where this picture appeared - again, you'll have to log in through your library.


And I would argue, that not all cats are so friendly towards humans... there are early hominid skulls with holes matching the teeth of saber toothed tigers, you know. Here is a link to a National Geographic article about various cat species and other predators eating our early ancestors.


Now, of course, if you were to believe in God, and in the Holy Bible as the Word of God, you could reject everything I cited here as a heresy which does not conform to the six days creation as outlined in Genesis.


But if you doubt that the Bible is the Word, then you have no excuse to reject the evidence of evolution, which definitively excludes the possibility of animal species as we know them today being created by God.


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Miss Megan, it seems to me that you are one step from becoming atheist, or at least agnostic. You acknowledge, in some your other posts, that the Bible might not necessarily be the Word of God. I think you acknowledge, even though you have not stated it openly, that as humans we have no way of knowing which, if any, religion of the world is the correct view of God. Now you acknowledge that prayer is not effectual, which basically renders a divinity useless.


If all of the above is true, then why do you keep mentioning God at all? You seem to believe that He created the world and then left or got bored or maybe even died. The latter would seem plausible if we humans were truly made in His image, because dying is something that happens to all humans. Except for Utnapishtim, but Pastor Bathfire already covered that story as being a mere distortion of the Biblical Flood, even though historically the Babilonian version is much older than the Biblical one.


This is very interesting. Do you think He knew exactly how the evolution was going to proceed, or did He let it loose like He did with human history? Because we do share a common ancestor with cats. This is it:



Source - a research summary in Nature magazine; link to the original Science article abstract; no full text of the latter article available, unless your library has a subscription.


Wasn't it cute? It was eating insects and it lived shortly after the mass extinction which wiped out most of the dinosaurs.

Which ones?


This is the cat family tree; here is a link to a larger/more readable version. Original article in Nature where this picture appeared - again, you'll have to log in through your library.


And I would argue, that not all cats are so friendly towards humans... there are early hominid skulls with holes matching the teeth of saber toothed tigers, you know. Here is a link to a National Geographic article about various cat species and other predators eating our early ancestors.


Now, of course, if you were to believe in God, and in the Holy Bible as the Word of God, you could reject everything I cited here as a heresy which does not conform to the six days creation as outlined in Genesis.


But if you doubt that the Bible is the Word, then you have no excuse to reject the evidence of evolution, which definitively excludes the possibility of animal species as we know them today being created by God.
I believe God created evolution just because he can and merely left it to it's own devices; I also believe heexists and watches what we do with the freewill he gave us. I do doubt the bible as being the ultimate word of God because again so many authors and cultures and such a span of time that It's mostly just questionable. It really reinforces the idea when we have countless examples in history of people using the bible as justification to sastify earthly desires.


It makes me question did God really command this or are we putting words into God's mouth?


As for prayer through experience I find it ineffectual.
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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-29-2017, 02:22 PM

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I believe God created evolution just because he can and merely left it to it's own devices;
Among Bible Students, this is known as “The Heresy of The Cornflakes.”

A man once asked “Why are all the little bits at the bottom of the cornflakes box?” and the atheist answered
“It is because all sizes of cornflakes are randomly put in the box in the factory and they are shaken about in their journey to your home. The smaller ones fall by gravity to the bottom through the holes between the larger ones.”

You will see that this denies any Godly involvement in the settling of cornflakes, and if we accept such a heresy, then we will end with questioning what He does all day, let alone asking why there is a need for God!

From this follows the slippery path to The Gates of Hell in which the weak and gullible are persuaded by atheists that as “nothing exists without a reason, there seems to be no reason for God and thus there is no reason for God to exist”! Outrageous!

But this is precisely what you have done!
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I also believe He exists and watches what we do with the freewill he gave us.
You have reduced God to a CCTV camera!
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It makes me question did God really command this or are we putting words into God's mouth?
How would it be possible to put any words into God’s mouth? We don’t know what He is going to say or do next – this would mean that all prophecies were so much garbage and like “horoscopes”.
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I hope this helps.)





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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 10-29-2017, 07:08 PM

Hello Miss Megan. You know, you can respond to bits of quoted text, just remember to wrap text in quote command either by highlighting the quoted bit and clicking on that little text icon next to the little picture icon, or by manually writing [quote] at the beginning of each quoted text and [/quote] at the end of it.


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I believe God created evolution just because he can and merely left it to it's own devices;
This is interesting. So what you are saying now is that God merely created the first prokaryote 3.7 billion years ago and then He let it go, and let life evolve however it wanted, with all of the dumb evolutionary dead ends ranging from the hybrid eels and other weird extinct species to the very unintelligent design of human body.


That statement stands in clear contradiction to what you said earlier, quote:


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I believe God when he created life merely told the animals be what you are created to be except cats.

So which one is it? Did God simply create the first living organism and allowed the mechanisms of evolution to act, or did He create different species separately as they appear today?


If your current position, cited previously, is what you really believe, then you render God practically useless - someone who has no control over what's going on in the world. If your previous position, as cited above, is what you really believe, then you should discard evolution and join the anti-science Bible thumpers such as this lovely church. I do recommend the Landover church in this regard as they are the church which treats the Bible more seriously than any other Christian denomination - and you should treat Bible seriously if you are taking the Christian creationist perspective that God created all animal species.


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I also believe he exists and watches what we do with the freewill he gave us.

That's a very creepy idea of God you have there. Please explain, in your opinion, why does He only watch and not interfere? Does He not interfere because He actually enjoys watching humans inflicting pain on other humans, or because He's powerless and cannot interfere? If the former is correct then He is disgusting and not worthy of our worship. If the latter is correct than He's useless and worshiping Him is useless.


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I do doubt the bible as being the ultimate word of God because again so many authors and cultures and such a span of time that It's mostly just questionable. It really reinforces the idea when we have countless examples in history of people using the bible as justification to sastify earthly desires.


It makes me question did God really command this or are we putting words into God's mouth?
Well, here's your problem: religions in general and Christianity/the Bible specifically are the only evidence we have that God exists. If you reject the Bible, or any other sacred text of any other religion, as a reliable proof of God's existence, then you are left without any evidence for His existence whatsoever - since science explains the origin of universe and the origin of life without any supernatural intervention.

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You will see that this denies any Godly involvement in the settling of cornflakes, and if we accept such a heresy, then we will end with questioning what He does all day, let alone asking why there is a need for God!

From this follows the slippery path to The Gates of Hell in which the weak and gullible are persuaded by atheists that as “nothing exists without a reason, there seems to be no reason for God and thus there is no reason for God to exist”! Outrageous!

But this is precisely what you have done!
You have reduced God to a CCTV camera!

Exactly, Pastor Bathfire.


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Default Re: Should Homeschoolers Have Proms? - 11-07-2017, 02:17 PM

Have we encountered same sex couples dancing at Homeschoolers Proms? That is a topic that should be discussed on detail here.

What security measures can be taken? What fines or penalties can be levied?


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