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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-01-2016, 08:22 PM

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I don't really hate muslims, just your religion
What part of Miss Shah's perfectly clear statement that she is not a muslim but a Jainist did you not understand?


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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-01-2016, 08:47 PM

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I know this is an old comment, but why does God want children to die horrible deaths?...
Why should God (if He exists) have to justify Himself to you?

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...Isn't he supposed to be an "all-loving" God? If not, he is malevolent...
No, just not omni-benevolent (and no one here would ever make the ludicrous claim that the Bible says He was in any way, shape or form ).

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Prove it, or stop making that claim.


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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-01-2016, 09:10 PM

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What part of Miss Shah's perfectly clear statement that she is not a muslim but a Jainist did you not understand?
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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 10:06 PM

http://www.alternet.org/story/154774...believe_in_god
https://whynogod.wordpress.com/
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ This one is the best, it points out almost every absurdity/contradiction/intolerance/violence & cruelty in the Bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...istence_of_God
http://godisimaginary.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc

  1. There is no proof of God’s existence.
  2. There is no proof God even wrote the Bible, especially since it is full of contradictions.
  3. There is no proof of Noah’s Ark.
  4. There is no proof of the story of Adam and Eve.
  5. There is no proof of Jesus or his miracles. No artifacts, no manuscripts, no historical evidence.

-God killed about 25,000,000 people in the Bible, and Satan killed 10.


A few questions:
- How can you tell the voice of God from a voice in your head?
- If God told you to kill someone, like an atheist, would you?
- How can you tell the voice of God from the voice of the devil?
- Why did this "omnipotent god" have to create the universe in 6 days, and if he's "all-powerful" then why did he have to rest on the seventh day?




- If jesus is fully God, then how was he able to be tempted? It says in James 1:13 that God cannot be tempted, but:


Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 4:1
Jesus ... Being forty days tempted of the devil. Luke 4:1-2
Jesus ... was in all points tempted like as we are. Hebrews 4:14-15


Apparently he was tempted, so he is not God.


These are one of the thousands of contradictions in http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm, give it a read.


As for your question, Didymus Much, why should I worship a God who is not all-loving? If he is, why did the holocaust and 911 happen? Why the Pulse shootings? If he's doing it for punishment, then he sounds like a sick piffle to me. No one deserves to be murdered. For any way.
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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 10:29 PM

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...Didymus Much, why should I worship a God who is not all-loving?...
Because logic. Why would you worship a god who is?

If He was all-loving, by definition it wouldn't matter what you did. So any effort put into prayer or obedience to His strictures would be a waste of time.

It's only if God is not omni-benevolent that He's worth worshipping at all.


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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 10:34 PM

There is also tons of proof for evolution.http://evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-creationist/


Pretty soon your nonsense creationist worldview won't be taught in schools nor will the worldview even exist (in maybe a century or a half).
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http://www.alternet.org/story/154774...believe_in_god
https://whynogod.wordpress.com/
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ This one is the best, it points out almost every absurdity/contradiction/intolerance/violence & cruelty in the Bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...istence_of_God
http://godisimaginary.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc
  1. There is no proof of God’s existence.
  2. There is no proof God even wrote the Bible, especially since it is full of contradictions.
  3. There is no proof of Noah’s Ark.
  4. There is no proof of the story of Adam and Eve.
  5. There is no proof of Jesus or his miracles. No artifacts, no manuscripts, no historical evidence.
-God killed about 25,000,000 people in the Bible, and Satan killed 10.


A few questions:
- How can you tell the voice of God from a voice in your head?
- If God told you to kill someone, like an atheist, would you?
- How can you tell the voice of God from the voice of the devil?
- Why did this "omnipotent god" have to create the universe in 6 days, and if he's "all-powerful" then why did he have to rest on the seventh day?




- If jesus is fully God, then how was he able to be tempted? It says in James 1:13 that God cannot be tempted, but:


Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matthew 4:1
Jesus ... Being forty days tempted of the devil. Luke 4:1-2
Jesus ... was in all points tempted like as we are. Hebrews 4:14-15


Apparently he was tempted, so he is not God.


These are one of the thousands of contradictions in http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm, give it a read.


As for your question, Didymus Much, why should I worship a God who is not all-loving? If he is, why did the holocaust and 911 happen? Why the Pulse shootings? If he's doing it for punishment, then he sounds like a sick piffle to me. No one deserves to be murdered. For any way.
God killing more people than Satan just shows how much more powerful God is. GLORY!

Besides, it's not like it's some random killings. He only kills people who does not love Him. So it's not like it's murder or anything, He tell you straight what He is about, if you turn down His love.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

If you make the decision to hate Him, He won't just kill you. He will throw you to hell for eternal torment. Boy, getting tormented for all eternity will surely make you wish that you would not have been such a hateful bastard. GLORY!

Anyway, there are absolutely no contradictions in the Bible. Those that MIGHT seem like contradictions, are just willfully hateful misinterpretations of His perfect word.
You can read my text about this matter here:


http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=94753
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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 10:54 PM

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Why do we need to worship God if he is all-powerful? Why should I praise him everyday when there is chaos, terrorism, disease, war, death, hunger, etc?
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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 11:03 PM

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God killing more people than Satan just shows how much more powerful God is. GLORY!

Besides, it's not like it's some random killings. He only kills people who does not love Him. So it's not like it's murder or anything, He tell you straight what He is about, if you turn down His love.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

If you make the decision to hate Him, He won't just kill you. He will throw you to hell for eternal torment. Boy, getting tormented for all eternity will surely make you wish that you would not have been such a hateful bastard. GLORY!

Anyway, there are absolutely no contradictions in the Bible. Those that MIGHT seem like contradictions, are just willfully hateful misinterpretations of His perfect word.
You can read my text about this matter here:


http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=94753
Why would God kill 20 million people in a flood and then regret it? Isn't he all-knowing?


Why would God set me on fire and torture me for eternity just for not believing in him? Why does he need to be believed in? Can't he judge me by my character and actions?


Bill Gates donated 30$ billion to charity and plans of donating his entire wealth before he dies. He saved 17 million lives due to his efforts against the polio virus. And just for his simple unbelief, he's going to be tortured for eternity. Your God is an asshole.


Did you even read the links I gave you?
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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 11:20 PM

I absolutely doubt 20 million people during the time of Noah all knew about Christianity. Why do they deserve to die when a lot of them were most likely not even aware of Christianity? Oh wait, there was no Christianity back then. Even more proof most of them didn't even know about your God. Even Judaism didn't exist back then. And even if it did, it's obviously wrong because you anti semitics view them as money lovers and satan worshippers.

That being said, if they didn't even know about Christianity/Judaism, then what right does God have to kill them all in the most horrible way? Where's his compassion? And why do they have to die for 2 people's mistakes?
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I can. I've also shown that I've read the entire Bible, and can discuss these matters calmly, rationally, and with all due respect. Maybe there's a correlation.

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...Why do we need to worship God if he is all-powerful?...
So He doesn't throw you in Hell after you die. Duh.

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So He doesn't make it happen to you.

Or if it does, that He stops making it happen to you.

Or if it doesn't stop, that He doesn't throw you in Hell after He kills you.

Duh.


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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 11:37 PM

Why do you cherry-pick which of my questions you want to answer? You're ignoring most of them.
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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-02-2016, 11:43 PM

Why do you call me disrespectful when you guys are bigots, think you're better than everyone, make the stupidest threads imaginable (e.g. down syndrome is a lifestlyle!) and discriminate on everyone? Why are you guys such ***profanity related to the lowst part of the gastrointestinal tract removed by moderator***?
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Why do you call me disrespectful when you guys are bigots...
I don't call them bigots. I explain that they are displaying what I'd consider to be bigoted behaviour.

They point me to the Bible verses that demand that behaviour.

I then thank them for educating me.

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Anyone who follows any god believes that.

Almost all who follow none believe it, too.

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You think that's stupid? You haven't read some of their poetry.

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Because ... the Bible tells them to. Seriously, read the thing and find out for yourself. Click here.


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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-03-2016, 03:24 AM

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I don't call them bigots. I explain that they are displaying what I'd consider to be bigoted behaviour.

They point me to the Bible verses that demand that behaviour.

I then thank them for educating me.



Anyone who follows any god believes that.

Almost all who follow none believe it, too.



You think that's stupid? You haven't read some of their poetry.



Because ... the Bible tells them to. Seriously, read the thing and find out for yourself. Click here.
I have read all gospels except for John, but you're right. Can't debate that well if you haven't read the entire thing, If I read the whole thing it will most likely reaffirm my unbelief even more. I'm going to calm down a little too...
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Smile Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-03-2016, 03:48 AM

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I am thinking that it is very good that you are considering getting acquainted with your Bible as it is the book of your religion. Yes. I am telling this also to my pupils when we are having RME classes, that is religious and moral education.

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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-03-2016, 04:09 AM

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Yes, Mr. Pig. It is Harsha Shah here again and I am replying you, yes.

I am thinking that it is very good that you are considering getting acquainted with your Bible as it is the book of your religion. Yes. I am telling this also to my pupils when we are having RME classes, that is religious and moral education.

I hope that I am not offending you but I would still like you to answer my questions about what I should be doing regarding my life in the UK, as you are now aware of my religious background. Yes. Are you having double standards for those of the Islamic faith, my faith and those of the Christian faith? Yes? Are you familiar with the tale of the elephant and the blind men. Yes. Everyone is groping the elephant but they can only discern some parts of the animal and one is thinking that it is a garden hose and another one is saying that it is Greek column. Yes, it is funny and sad and beautiful. I must be telling you that I have become quite secular in the past couple of years.
Hi, sorry for assuming you were a muslim. I don't know anything about Jainism really, but your question is what should you be doing with your life in the UK? I wouldn't believe in any of it really, as there is no evidence for any of it. I think you can believe in it, but if you use it to be a bigot, a proselytizer, or a violent person (which I doubt you are or will ever be), then maybe you should find a less intense "hobby" than religion.


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Smile Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-03-2016, 04:25 AM

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Hi, sorry for assuming you were a muslim. I don't know anything about Jainism really, but your question is what should you be doing with your life in the UK? I wouldn't believe in any of it really, as there is no evidence for any of it. I think you can believe in it, but if you use it to be a bigot, a proselytizer, or a violent person (which I doubt you are or will ever be), then maybe you should find a less intense "hobby" than religion.


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Yes Miss Piggie, I am very sorry that was not realising that you were a woman. I am hoping that you are a strong independent woman like I am also. Yes.

I am afraid that I might be offending you but you do not seem to be answering the questions I was making. I have not been telling you that I am religious but that I am quite secular. Jainism is my religion of birth but I am mostly following the nonäviolence or ahimsa and vegetarianism and having problems with the chastity at the moment. Yes, I am .

You were writing that it would be good to have all of the Islamic faith out of Britain and I was asking (although I am not of the Muslim faith) if you would be including me in the people you wish to be deporting from our country. Yes. I am thinking that you are perhaps making your posts before reading what was actually asked. I am very sorry if I am offending you as this may be a false accusation, and it would be bad karma for my non-violence. Yes.


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Default Re: Yes! Please pray for reason and non-violence after the Brexit vote :( - 07-03-2016, 04:32 PM

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Yes Miss Piggie, I am very sorry that was not realising that you were a woman. I am hoping that you are a strong independent woman like I am also. Yes.

I am afraid that I might be offending you but you do not seem to be answering the questions I was making. I have not been telling you that I am religious but that I am quite secular. Jainism is my religion of birth but I am mostly following the nonäviolence or ahimsa and vegetarianism and having problems with the chastity at the moment. Yes, I am .

You were writing that it would be good to have all of the Islamic faith out of Britain and I was asking (although I am not of the Muslim faith) if you would be including me in the people you wish to be deporting from our country. Yes. I am thinking that you are perhaps making your posts before reading what was actually asked. I am very sorry if I am offending you as this may be a false accusation, and it would be bad karma for my non-violence. Yes.
Oh I'm a guy, Miss Piggie just sounded better lol.


Well, I've thought about it and I'm not really a fan of deportation, but I wish muslims would just simply wake up, not move them to another place (although I'm still on the fence about it considering moving them away would lower the possibility of terrorism). I did in fact read your posts (but of course you being a jainist intead of a muslim got me confused, the grammar/spelling was a little whacky there) and maybe misunderstood the question. I don't think you should be deported, and I'm glad you're more secular than religious. I care a little more about islam clearing out of britain more than jainism, so it doesn't really concern me if you continue to practice it, but like I said it has no evidence and none of it makes sense. I'd use those critical thinking skills of yours
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