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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-18-2021, 05:37 PM

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The difference is that Lenin, Stalin, and co. did not have Jesus in their hearts. And why are you complaining about Hitler? I thought you held the same stance on jews and blacks as he did.
Miss Blanche, please note that I am not a True Christian. I am a deeply troubled soul, conflicted between my lack of faith in a benevolent deity and fear of going to Hell. I come here hoping that some of the True Christian faith will eventually rub at me, that I will finally be able to discard logical reasoning and plunge into real deep faith.

The parts of the Bible which espouse racist and antisemitic views - at which you have hinted mentioning Hitler - do trouble me, and alongside with the misogynist ones, they make it very difficult for me to accept the Bible as the Word of God.

If I could understand how you mind works - how you can accept God of the Bible as real and worthy of worshiping, despite of all the hatred contained in the Bible - maybe I could follow the same path.


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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-18-2021, 05:49 PM

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Miss Blanche, please note that I am not a True Christian. I am a deeply troubled soul, conflicted between my lack of faith in a benevolent deity and fear of going to Hell. I come here hoping that some of the True Christian faith will eventually rub at me, that I will finally be able to discard logical reasoning and plunge into real deep faith.

The parts of the Bible which espouse racist and antisemitic views - at which you have hinted mentioning Hitler - do trouble me, and alongside with the misogynist ones, they make it very difficult for me to accept the Bible as the Word of God.

If I could understand how you mind works - how you can accept God of the Bible as real and worthy of worshiping, despite of all the hatred contained in the Bible - maybe I could follow the same path.
Her mind works the same way that a good 95% of the people on this planet manage to get through their lives. When someone says something that they already want to hear, they listen. If what is being said requires confronting their own worldview and putting in the hard work to learn complex information, they take refuge in their sense of self-importance and fling around glib quips.

They also type out stirring statements about "taking a stand" while sitting at their keyboards and offer to die for others when they probably have never been punched, beaten with a whip or had a knife held to their throat.


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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-18-2021, 05:57 PM

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Attend the church? Which one? If anything, I'd choose one of the watered-down megachurches, that way I'm getting a general level of spiritual enrichment without as much of the hypocrasy and greed
And how do you think they get to be "mega" without a steady influx of money from their believers, and without bending their own rules?
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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-18-2021, 06:04 PM

First I'd like to acknowledge the previous two posts before moving on. In particular, "not the word of God" suggests prior knowledge of what God is. Where does that knowledge come from? Our experiences help us to understand what His message means regardless of its origin; many and varied are the suggestions regarding that topic.
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Here I need to ask for clarification. You've used a word spiritual. What do you mean by that? What does the word signify? It would help me to understand your idea better if I knew what the word means.

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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-18-2021, 06:06 PM

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Miss Blanche, please note that I am not a True Christian. I am a deeply troubled soul, conflicted between my lack of faith in a benevolent deity and fear of going to Hell. I come here hoping that some of the True Christian faith will eventually rub at me, that I will finally be able to discard logical reasoning and plunge into real deep faith.

The parts of the Bible which espouse racist and antisemitic views - at which you have hinted mentioning Hitler - do trouble me, and alongside with the misogynist ones, they make it very difficult for me to accept the Bible as the Word of God.

If I could understand how you mind works - how you can accept God of the Bible as real and worthy of worshiping, despite of all the hatred contained in the Bible - maybe I could follow the same path.
The mentions of racism applied back in those times as a punishment for that people. It wasn't racism, it was retribution for numerous sins But at the same time, curses expire:
Exodus 34:6-7 Then the LORD passed in front of Moses and called out: “The LORD, the LORD God, is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in loving devotion and faithfulness, maintaining loving devotion to a thousand generations, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin. Yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished; He will visit the iniquity of the fathers on their children and grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.”
Jeremiah 27-30 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and of beast. Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, to demolish, destroy, and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant,” declares the LORD.


“In those days, it will no longer be said:


‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,


and the teeth of the children are set on edge.’


Instead, each will die for his own iniquity. If anyone eats the sour grapes, his own teeth will be set on edge.


God is a god of compassion and love.


Psalm 86:15 But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.
Psalm 147:3 He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.
Exodus 34:6 The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,"


Misogyny and ill-treatment of women is sinful and condemned by god.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus!
Paul is very simply saying that in Christ: no one is inferior, and no one is superior. Jews can’t consider themselves better than the Greeks, nor can the Greeks think of themselves any better than the Jews, because everyone has sinned and have fallen short of God’s will for our lives.
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, giving His riches to all who call on Him. (Romans 10:12)
For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by His grace as a gift. (Romans 3:22-24)
Slaves were treated as less than human and had fewer rights than one who was free. But, like with the Jew and the Greek, there is no distinction. For both are enslaved to sin and both are equally set free in Christ.
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. (Galatians 5:1)
Women were considered by the culture to be subservient to men. But, as with the Jew and the Greek and the slave and the free, both men and women are made in the image of God, and to both are given the kingdom of God.
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:27)
That’s the part of the verse that tends to get abused.
What Galatians 3:28 doesn’t mean is that women can be pastors and deacons.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather she’s to remain quiet. (1 Timothy 2:12)

I hope this clears up some things!
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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-18-2021, 06:31 PM

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... But, as with the Jew and the Greek and the slave and the free, both men and women are made in the image of God, and to both are given the kingdom of God.
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:27)...
Oh, yeah, you've read a whole bunch of apologists.

Why not read the Bible as it is written, like the True Christians™ do?

Look at Genesis 1:27. WHY is the semi-colon there? It separates two distinct phrases, a fact which your apologists IGNORE in order to misrepresent the meaning. The Bible could even more easily have read "in the image of God He created them" instead of just "him". The editors of the KJV back in 16xx were always looking for a chance to trim a phrase here, a word there, smaller Bible means more Bibles made and distributed, a very salient point in the age before moveable type. But... it doesn't. Why not? Why is that extra text there?


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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 12:52 AM

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The mentions of racism applied back in those times as a punishment for that people. It wasn't racism, it was retribution for numerous sins
Please note that the nations which were ordered by God to be subject of complete genocide had no knowledge of God's commandments. So they had no idea what they were punished for - or even that they were being punished for something.

See for example:

Deuteronomy 20:13-18
13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

Please note the distinction between the nations which are to be exterminated totally and those from which women and children may be kept as slaves. Now, you may argue that the nations which need to be annihilated angered God more than the others, but it doesn't change the fact that no missionaries were sent to even try to convert them to Judaism, before genocide.

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Exodus 34:6-7 Then the LORD passed in front of Moses and called out: “The LORD, the LORD God, is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in loving devotion and faithfulness, maintaining loving devotion to a thousand generations, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin. Yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished; He will visit the iniquity of the fathers on their children and grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.”
So you may be punished for something that you father, grandfather, or great grandfather did. Ad if you descend from a bastard, that extends to 10 generations:

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Now, some people may call that "vindictive" and "unusually cruel" behavior towards "the innocents," but I am glad that you agree that it is perfectly justified and even merciful.

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That is not what He says - He says He is a god of war:

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

The Bible talks much more about the things and people God abhors, than things and people He loves. It's very easy to kindle His Wrath - I don't know if you know people like that in your daily life (who get angry easily and punish others often), but if you do, I'm sure you don't call them "loving and compassionate."

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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus!
Paul is very simply saying that in Christ: no one is inferior, and no one is superior.
In Christ - sure. In society - nope.

Women are inferior to men:

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Slaves need to fear and obey their masters:

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

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Slaves were treated as less than human and had fewer rights than one who was free.
Indeed. God created slavery as part of the natural social order. God approves of slavery - and we do, too, each time we buy something cheap that was made in China.

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Women were considered by the culture to be subservient to men.
Not just by the culture - by God Himself. Otherwise, how would God allow all these passages in the Holy Bible?

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What Galatians 3:28 doesn’t mean is that women can be pastors and deacons.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather she’s to remain quiet. (1 Timothy 2:12)
Indeed! Woman's place is at home quietly cleaning, cooking, and having babies, not having authority over men. I'm glad we agree on this!
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I hope this clears up some things!
No, it does not. I still do not understand why innocent people need to be punished for the sins they did not commit - the sins of their ancestors.


I still don't understand why children need to be raped or killed just because their parents do not believe in God.


I still don't understand why God approves of oppression and genocide.


I still don't understand why God approves of slavery and mistreatment of women.


Yes, that one verse you cite sounds nice, but it only refers to treatment of slaves, foreigners, and women in the afterlife - it does not refer to the way slaves, foreigners, and women should be treated in this life, as shown by the other verses cited by Sister Basilissa.


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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 02:16 AM

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Oh, yeah, you've read a whole bunch of apologists.

Why not read the Bible as it is written, like the True Christians™ do?

Look at Genesis 1:27. WHY is the semi-colon there? It separates two distinct phrases, a fact which your apologists IGNORE in order to misrepresent the meaning. The Bible could even more easily have read "in the image of God He created them" instead of just "him". The editors of the KJV back in 16xx were always looking for a chance to trim a phrase here, a word there, smaller Bible means more Bibles made and distributed, a very salient point in the age before moveable type. But... it doesn't. Why not? Why is that extra text there? --unecessary childish emoticon removed--
Interesting how you nitpick one small thing that doesn't affect much. I think you're just pulling things out of your pocket to back up an unbiblical worldview. While pulling things out of one's pocket is fine in most situations and arguments, using it to warp the word of God is not.


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Where did this female come from? Why is it allowed to disturb my Church? I sometimes but only sometimes wonder if American - the greatest language that Jesus also spoke - would benefit from the word that describes active efforts to keep silent such as the Natzisch word zweigen. Anyways, this seems to be good distraction for our obnoxious sinner the Much guy so it is not all in vain. Meanwhile: Keep them tithes a-comin' The 2024 campaign (with either yours truly or even the Big D) ain't payin' itself. Off and out for now. Me 'ouseboys need some TLC as they're upset after a prank caller asked them to take the Chinaflu microchip (they obviously didn't they informed the church authorities and it is being traced).


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 02:33 AM

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Please note that the nations which were ordered by God to be subject of complete genocide had no knowledge of God's commandments. So they had no idea what they were punished for - or even that they were being punished for something.

See for example:

Deuteronomy 20:13-18
13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

Please note the distinction between the nations which are to be exterminated totally and those from which women and children may be kept as slaves. Now, you may argue that the nations which need to be annihilated angered God more than the others, but it doesn't change the fact that no missionaries were sent to even try to convert them to Judaism, before genocide.

So you may be punished for something that you father, grandfather, or great grandfather did. Ad if you descend from a bastard, that extends to 10 generations:

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Now, some people may call that "vindictive" and "unusually cruel" behavior towards "the innocents," but I am glad that you agree that it is perfectly justified and even merciful. --unecessary childish emoticon removed--

That is not what He says - He says He is a god of war:

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

The Bible talks much more about the things and people God abhors, than things and people He loves. It's very easy to kindle His Wrath - I don't know if you know people like that in your daily life (who get angry easily and punish others often), but if you do, I'm sure you don't call them "loving and compassionate."

In Christ - sure. In society - nope.

Women are inferior to men:

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Slaves need to fear and obey their masters:

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Indeed. God created slavery as part of the natural social order. God approves of slavery - and we do, too, each time we buy something cheap that was made in China.

Not just by the culture - by God Himself. Otherwise, how would God allow all these passages in the Holy Bible?

Indeed! Woman's place is at home quietly cleaning, cooking, and having babies, not having authority over men. I'm glad we agree on this! --unnecessary childish emoticon removed--
As for your first point, ever heard of something called natural law? Rape, murder, and other such things are abhorrent to almost all societies, as they prevent society from functioning. These peoples were disregarding that, so the fact that they had committed sins against even natural law meant that they were still ripe candidates for punishment.
Also, kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth. I do not lust after the blood of innocents like you and your ilk. As for your argument on that account, may I kindly remind you of Hebrews 8:13... In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
When you talk talk about God being vindictive and spiteful, that seems quite heretical. Perhaps it would have done you good to have been born in the time of the inquisition. It would certainly fix your problem of cherrypicking verses that support your claim without giving thought to any others.
As for your bit about slavery and mysogyny, I would advise you to keep quiet about unless you want to catch a strong case from the FBI. I'm not even going to start on that. If you're brain is rotten enough to be supporting those views, you need mental help.
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As for your first point, ever heard of something called natural law? Rape, murder, and other such things are abhorrent to almost all societies, as they prevent society from functioning. These peoples were disregarding that, so the fact that they had committed sins against even natural law meant that they were still ripe candidates for punishment.
Yes, Miss Locke. It is Harsha Shah here and I am discussing these things with you also on this thread, yes. I am hoping sincerely that I am not offending you. I am writing this because the sad and beautiful people of this forum have been failing to explain some things to me but I am thinking that you will be answering my concerns about your religion, yes. I am thinking that some people may find this offending.

Yes, I have studied RME that is how to teach Religious and Moral Education at the university level an the thing that you were describing is common apologetics - that the people who your god is said to have destroyed were committing awful things. I must be asking if it is thus acceptable that also the infants and the small children are punished? Yes? Did the three-year-old rape the neighbour's wife? In the nice story of your Noah all the babies and old women and the rapists and the rapees were killed. In the future, your Jesus will also kill all the babies and the rapists and the rapees. Can you be assuring me that all these innocents will be going to your heaven even if they were not christians? Yes? If they are going, then what would be the point of following a cult? In the stories that were being mentioned before some of the children are being taken as sex slaves.


I am thinking that if your god is real then it is of course his or her rules but I am thinking that I am a better person than she or he is and I am also thinking that you are a better person. I am thinking that your religious is presuming guilt but our society is presuming innocence if not being proven otherwise. I am thinking and probably offending you that I am getting better discussions about this with my twelve-year-old pupils of my RME class. Yes. They can be identifying with the children who were not raping or looting or killing but were being drowned in the story of god. Yes, it is a relief to be knowing that it is just a story. I am very sorry that I was being carried away, yes.


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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 02:44 AM

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Where did this female come from? Why is it allowed to disturb my Church? I sometimes but only sometimes wonder if American - the greatest language that Jesus also spoke - would benefit from the word that describes active efforts to keep silent such as the Natzisch word zweigen. Anyways, this seems to be good distraction for our obnoxious sinner the Much guy so it is not all in vain. Meanwhile: Keep them tithes a-comin' --unnecessary, unprofessional emoticon removed-- The 2024 campaign (with either yours truly or even the Big D) ain't payin' itself. Off and out for now. Me 'ouseboys need some TLC as they're upset after a prank caller asked them to take the Chinaflu microchip (they obviously didn't they informed the church authorities and it is being traced).
First of all, Pastor Ezekiel, hello and welcome to the thread! I was beginning to wonder when you'd show up. I'd be happy to answer your questions and then ask you a few of my own.
As for where I came from, I believe it was from a human uterus. From your tone of wonderment, it seems you have not. Did you hatch from an egg? Very interesting indeed.
As for why I'm disturbing your church... if it takes a few bad arguments from an idiot like me to disturb it, then it must not have very stable foundations.
The thing that bothers me, though, is that you seem to be draining the funds of your churchgoers in a manner that could be construed as greedy. Is a multi-million dollar jet really necessary? I think you could do just fine with business class tickets in a commercial jetliner and spend the money somewhere wiser.
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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 02:54 AM

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No, it does not. I still do not understand why innocent people need to be punished for the sins they did not commit - the sins of their ancestors.


I still don't understand why children need to be raped or killed just because their parents do not believe in God.


I still don't understand why God approves of oppression and genocide.


I still don't understand why God approves of slavery and mistreatment of women.


Yes, that one verse you cite sounds nice, but it only refers to treatment of slaves, foreigners, and women in the afterlife - it does not refer to the way slaves, foreigners, and women should be treated in this life, as shown by the other verses cited by Sister Basilissa.
My advice? Go to another place on the internet. I would post links to a few, but I think they would get removed by one of the overzealous moderators here. This place is hellbent on forcing a merciless and cruel worldview down people's throats. They really should hang up a sign over the metaphorical entrance that says "abandon hope all ye who enter here". The toxicity levels in here are higher than those on reddit, 4chan, or discord, or all of those combined.
I'm not going to be posting for a while, as I'm pretty sure nothing constructive is being gained here, and it's ramping up my anxiety attacks. Aside from the few sane ones here or those uninfected by this pestilence disguised as godliness, all I can see are childish people following a road to hell. In the end, they will stand before God and be judged, and then given a taste of their own medicine.
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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 02:57 AM

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Interesting how you nitpick one small thing that doesn't affect much...
I selected what was imo the most egregious, and focused on that, instead of doing a multi-page refutation of everything you raised.

Interesting is how you evade answering even that.

SO HOW'S THE EXODUS READING GOING?


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As for your first point, ever heard of something called natural law? Rape, murder, and other such things are abhorrent to almost all societies, as they prevent society from functioning. These peoples were disregarding that,
First of all, rape and murder are not a sin in the eyes of our Lord, especially when applied to heathens: Deuteronomy 7:1-6, 20:13-14, 20:16-18, Deuteronomy 21:10-17...

However, if these nations were so abhorrent that they were doing things which prevented society from functioning - how come they were able to keep their societies functioning? Deuteronomy 7:5 mentions their pagan temples, Deuteronomy 13:15 mentions their cities. I think we can both agree that it requires a high degree of social cooperation to build cities and temples.

Also, please note that your explanation is not Biblical - the Biblical explanation is that God has given Israel to the Israelites, but in order to inhabit the land, they had to kill off the previous owners. You know, like what is going on in the West Bank, except that today "common sense" prohibits genocide, so the Palestinians today are thrown out rather than murdered.

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so the fact that they had committed sins against even natural law meant that they were still ripe candidates for punishment.
And the punishment extends to their newborns and unborn children:

Hosea 13:16 16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

I am glad we agree on this subject - we will make a True Christian™ of you yet! You are pro-murder just like God commands us to be!

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Also, kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth. I do not lust after the blood of innocents like you and your ilk. As for your argument on that account, may I kindly remind you of Hebrews 8:13... In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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When you talk talk about God being vindictive and spiteful, that seems quite heretical.
Oh sweetie, don't blame the messenger - I'm just informing you what the Holy Bible says.

It's not me, it's the Bible that says God sometimes intentionally strays people away, so that He can punish them later:

Ezekiel 20:25-26
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.


2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


It is the Holy Bible, not me, that says God enjoys violence against children:

Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

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Perhaps it would have done you good to have been born in the time of the inquisition. It would certainly fix your problem of cherrypicking verses that support your claim without giving thought to any others.
You're so funny, sweetie! You are the one cherry picking, with your ideas of God as some sweet loving hippie!

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As for your bit about slavery and mysogyny, I would advise you to keep quiet about unless you want to catch a strong case from the FBI.
I do not understand your train of thought. I can reassure you that I did not write the Holy Bible, so I am not responsible for its contents. I just read and follow it, that's all.
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My advice? Go to another place on the internet. I would post links to a few, but I think they would get removed by one of the overzealous moderators here. This place is hellbent on forcing a merciless and cruel worldview down people's throats. They really should hang up a sign over the metaphorical entrance that says "abandon hope all ye who enter here". The toxicity levels in here are higher than those on reddit, 4chan, or discord, or all of those combined.
Thank you for your advice. However - don't you find their adherence to what the Bible actually says quite refreshing? Or do you prefer the churches which lie about God and the Bible, showcasing only a few nice-sounding verses and hiding the ugly, cruel, hateful 90% of it?


I agree that this community seems rather abrasive, but at least they don't lie to you. They are eager to show you what the Bible really says, rather than what you would want it to say.


I realize that cognitive dissonance can be painful, and being exposed to the cruelty of the Bible certainly causes cognitive dissonance after being told that God is loving and merciful.


But you certainly shouldn't take True Christians' word on it. You should sit down and read the Bible yourself, and judge for yourself: is this really a God worth worshiping? Read the whole thing before deciding whether God is cruel or merciful, loving or hateful. In my experience, most people who actually sat down and read the Bible end up being atheists. But maybe in your case it will be like with these lovely Baptists: maybe you can embrace God of the Bible and worship Him, if not out of love then out of fear - which is what He prefers, anyway.


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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 03:11 AM

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Will someone tell this half-beast female (based on her photo) that I was not addressing her but asking y'all to explain why my R&R time with the Filipino houseboys was disturbed by these developments on my Forum?
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And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.
Ecclesiastes 7:26


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Bible Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 03:33 AM

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I'm not going to be posting for a while, as I'm pretty sure nothing constructive is being gained here, and it's ramping up my anxiety attacks. Cheers, Blanche Locke
Those "anxiety attacks", dear Miss Locke, are the result of the Holy Spirit convicting you of your unconfessed sins — the very sins that will take you to !

James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

John 16:7-11:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Rather than frittering away your precious (and very limited) time, by attacking the servants of Almighty as they present Truths to you, why don't you open a copy of the and study it? If you prefer to push your ungodly opinions at the very kind people who are here to help you, then you will be reminded of those careless words and actions when you stand before the on Judgment Day!

Matthew 12:36 "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."








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Default Re: Introductions, etc. - 08-19-2021, 03:37 AM

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As for your first point, ever heard of something called natural law?
Is it mentioned in the Bible?
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As for your bit about slavery and mysogyny, I would advise you to keep quiet about unless you want to catch a strong case from the FBI.
Hmm. . . I don't think that the FBI is on high alert against all forms of misogyny, but I'm sure that if you pick up the phone and call them, they'll drop everything else they are doing and arrest us right away.

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a few bad arguments from an idiot like me
Finally! Signs of honest admissions and a little humility. I am so proud of you; I wasn't sure that you had it in you.

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I'm not going to be posting for a while,
Really? Are you even capable of shutting up for that long?
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I'm pretty sure nothing constructive is being gained here,
Nothing constructive by your definition because we're supposed to defer to you on our church website.
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. . . and it's ramping up my anxiety attacks.
Well, we certainly don't want you experiencing any of those, that might lead you to suspect that you aren't the Queen of All Wisdom and Biblical Insight.
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all I can see are childish people following a road to hell.
So much for that moment of insight.
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In the end, they will stand before God and be judged, and then given a taste of their own medicine.
And there goes that brief foray into humility.


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