[thecuriosity]

Originally Posted by Mark L. Snyde, PhD

Hello and welcome, Jonatan!

When you look around the world in which you live, is it not obvious without even having to think that all of the wonders you see could not possibly have arisen by random chance, guided only by natural laws?

The only way something can come from nothing is by creation. Given that there had to be a time when there was nothing, and now there is something is proof of creation, right?

Okay, so we have firmly established that there must be a creator...but which of the countless creators posited by the various religions around the world is correct, if any?

This is where faith swoops in to save the day. The Holy Bible defines faith as follows:

Does God make himself explicitly known, so that faith is obsolete? Of course not. God wants us to have to abandon rational thought and take that leap of faith. We must in fact become fools in order to become wise:

See, you are simply not going to reason God into existence, you must abandon all reasoning and use the power of faith instead to know God is real and that His message given in The Bible (KJV 1611) is the inerrant truth.

It is this leap of faith that God treasures so greatly. If you can say "NO!" to the wickedness of reason and use the sheer power of blind faith instead to know God, then you have truly pleased Him.

Once you have embraced faith, all things are possible. You can then see why hell is absolutely necessary to punish the sin we all inherit but few abandon, why the temporary suicidal sacrifice of God to Himself to cleanse the filth of sin was necessary, and why your faith that Jesus is your savior is necessary.

Won't you abandon reason and accept Jesus today, friend?

Hm, yes, I agree with you. It does seems kind of weird having this perfectly created word doesn't it? But, would you trust me if I told you that there's 1million dollars waiting for you at the end of the north pole? Even if I had written a book about it? No, you wouldn't. And that's the case here. How can a "god" ask of me to believe in him when there's 0 existenz of him? And, backing up again to the "how could the world be so perfectly created" part, we have theories for it that resembles to some kind if proof! We even have proof how we humans came to be. Proof Mark, proof. And why should I believe less in that and more in your god? How can you know when you've never been to heaven, and not even the bible can tell how it really looks inside it? (retarded question I know, except the bible part but it still stands as a factor)

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Hm, yes, I agree with you. It does seems kind of weird having this perfectly created word doesn't it? But, would you trust me if I told you that there's 1million dollars waiting for you at the end of the north pole? Even if I had written a book about it? No, you wouldn't. And that's the case here. How can a "god" ask of me to believe in him when there's 0 existenz of him? And, backing up again to the "how could the world be so perfectly created" part, we have theories for it that resembles to some kind if proof! We even have proof how we humans came to be. Proof Mark, proof. And why should I believe less in that and more in your god? How can you know when you've never been to heaven, and not even the bible can tell how it really looks inside it? (retarded question I know, except the bible part but it still stands as a factor)

You are still trying to think. Don't think, just believe.

I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence. Have you truly examined the nonsense known as modern cosmology? I have, and in depth, and I can tell you theoretical physicists are mired down in a "tar baby" of epic proportions. It is truly an embarrassment of modern physics that there are two main theories, general relativity and quantum mechanics, which are inconsistent with one another and so neither is correct.

The more they struggle, the more deeply mired they become. The layer upon layer of increasing complexity is staggering, when all they have to do is lay down their advanced mathematics of Calabi-Yau manifolds and open their Bibles to see how it all works.

[thecuriosity]

Originally Posted by Mark L. Snyde, PhD

You are still trying to think. Don't think, just believe.

I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence. Have you truly examined the nonsense known as modern cosmology? I have, and in depth, and I can tell you theoretical physicists are mired down in a "tar baby" of epic proportions. It is truly an embarrassment of modern physics that there are two main theories, general relativity and quantum mechanics, which are inconsistent with one another and so neither is correct.

The more they struggle, the more deeply mired they become. The layer upon layer of increasing complexity is staggering, when all they have to do is lay down their advanced mathematics of Calabi-Yau manifolds and open their Bibles to see how it all works.

"I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence"

But uh... The bible was also written by men. Several. There's even two different testaments. Explain that, please...

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

"I have no reason to believe any books or conjectures written by man on how the universe came into existence"

But uh... The bible was also written by men. Several. There's even two different testaments. Explain that, please...

Those men were divinely inspired to write the Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16

[Russell Holbeck]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

There's even two different testaments. Explain that, please...

Hello thecuriosity.

I do not understand this just because you have two of something does not make one of them wrong for instance I had two hunting dogs. One of them died from eating some rotten shrimp heads and one died from a rifle I thought he had rabies but he was just thirsty it was a mistake.

But when I had two hunting dogs one was not made invalid by the other hunting dog that does not even make sense.

Thank you.

Rusty

[thecuriosity]

Originally Posted by Russell Holbeck

Hello thecuriosity.

I do not understand this just because you have two of something does not make one of them wrong for instance I had two hunting dogs. One of them died from eating some rotten shrimp heads and one died from a rifle I thought he had rabies but he was just thirsty it was a mistake.

But when I had two hunting dogs one was not made invalid by the other hunting dog that does not even make sense.

Thank you.

Rusty

Hm, good answer, one of the most legit I have recieved on this site. But, there still exists 2 different testaments. Why are there 2? Well, obviously because the first one wasn't right OR it was bad in a way that mankind did not like. (there's more to why the 2nd testament was created but I don't wish to go into detail). So mankind created another one. But that raises another question. If the bible was written by god, then who could possibly have rewritten gods book? A human? Hm, but then, wouldn't it have made sense that a man wrote the bible and not a god?

[thecuriosity]

Originally Posted by Mark L. Snyde, PhD

Those men were divinely inspired to write the Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16

So what, were they there with god? Did god tell them what to write, and if he was, why would he tell different persons and not one? How can you not wonder about things like this. It's stunning, really. Would you walk across an open field of flame if it stood in the bible?

Oh, btw, I just noticed that you have a "title" called "Tell her once". Your daughters and wife must be really proud of you. Go ahead, google if it's okay to oppress women. And I can see from your picture that you're a teacher, I might be mistaken, I might not be. Do you treat female students with respect or do you just smack them when they don't do as you say? I've seen a lot of members here saying it's okay to let your daughter(s) get raped by guests if they loose their virginity before marriage. Are you one of those as well? You must be a proud man of god, it's funny really. You people on this website. You amaze me. I read today about a father who's son had lost his penis. The father was so ashamed. He later on wrote that he had told his son that he is going to hell for not having a penis, he also added that his son hadn't been eating for a week. And, as serious as the father is i'm guessing the child is too, and the child will either take suicide or find another solution. All because of a religious father. But religion is about love and care, right? As for the child I'm guessing suicide. You all, on this website, are a bunch of fanatic murderers, oppressors, racists, hypocritical, perverted bastards. And the sad thing really is that you can't see it. Blinded by your book. Thinking that you're doing it for some "god" who'll let you into heaven. How can you not see that the bible is a trick for controlling people? Do you even know why the bible contains laws and morals? Just think about it. Let it sink in. It's because before there were any real laws, laws that we live with today, there wasn't any. And the bible was the best way to create control. Did you know that here in Sweden, when religion was at its peak, we had priests that forced the people to pay taxes to the church otherwise they'd go to hell. Luckily our king back then saw the wickedness in this and forbid it. Doesn't this make you think? Doesn't this make you see? . Religon is, and will always be a powertool to control and use people. To create order. Because people back then did not understand A THING about the world! But now we do! It's 2014 and we're still living with religion. But sure, keep on living in your bubble. And you people think that the world was created 6000 years ago. But oh, where does the dinosaurs fit in with all this? Or are you going to reject that too? We have STRONG proof that the world is millions and millions years old. You can't deny that. But, as always, like I said before, religion is deceptive and manipulating. Written by men for men, hence the title "tell her once". Religion is for the weak minded. And oh, in the year 2020 the world will begin to send up people to march so that they can start living there. Imagine that. Your grand grand grand children not living on space. You think their bible will go with them? I think it'll stay here on earth, and boy am I glad for that.

[thecuriosity]

Not living on earth, but in space* Of course.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Zamininc

I, a saved CHRISTIAN, do not need to explain myself to unsaved hellbound scum like you.

No, but being able to (while supporting all of your points with appropriate Scripture) seems to help when it comes to getting rid of that "Unsaved Trash" label you're currently wearing.

Just an observation.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

I have change what you wrote just a bit, out of respect for God. God refers to the One True God™, while the word god is an improper noun referring to silly deities created by people out of ignorance. Any pronouns referring to God should be treated as a proper noun as well.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

So what, were they there with God?

God is omnipresent, so God is always here with each and every one of us.

Jeremiah 23:24 (1611 King James Bible)

Can any hide himselfe in secret places that I shall not see him, saith the Lord ? doe not I fill heauen and earth, sayth the Lord ?

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Did God tell them what to write, and if He was, why would He tell different persons and not one?

Yes, the Holy Scriptures are divinely inspired, given by God to the men who actually penned the words.

Suppose you are writing a book and your pens last for one hour each. You will have to periodically discard them and pick up a fresh pen, right? To God, who exists outside of spacetime and the causual order, the lifespan of a man is very brief.

James 4:14 (1611 King James Bible)

Whereas yee know not what shalbe on the morow: for what is your life? It is euen a vapour that appeareth for a litle time, and then vanisheth away.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

How can you not wonder about things like this. It's stunning, really. Would you walk across an open field of flame if it stood in the Bible?

You haven't been listening to me. You do not think or wonder...you close off that part of your mind and open up your heart to faith. And if my Bible was on fire, I would quickly dowse the flame.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Oh, btw, I just noticed that you have a "title" called "Tell her once". Your daughters and wife must be really proud of you. Go ahead, google if it's okay to oppress women. And I can see from your picture that you're a teacher, I might be mistaken, I might not be. Do you treat female students with respect or do you just smack them when they don't do as you say?

Thankfully, I have no daughters. I have three sons. My wife was raised by a True Christian™ father, and so she knows it is my duty to discipline her. As my father did, I do so in front of my sons to teach them how a good husband lovingly beats his wife for transgressions.

1 Peter 3:1 (1611 King James Bible)

Likewise, ye wiues, be in subiection to your owne husbands, that if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be wonne by the conuersation of the wiues:

God is explicitly telling us men to dominate, oppress and be the masters of our wives.

I am not a tenured professor, but I am frequently asked to be a guest speaker at various Baptist Colleges to speak on Theomathematics. Very few students are female, and those that are know how to behave properly and respect their betters.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

I've seen a lot of members here saying it's okay to let your daughter(s) get raped by guests if they loose their virginity before marriage. Are you one of those as well? You must be a proud man of God, it's funny really.

We proudly and unashamedly follow the Word of God™ here.

2 Timothy 2:15 (1611 King James Bible)

Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diuiding the word of trueth.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

You people on this website. You amaze me.

Matthew 5:16 (1611 King James Bible)

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good workes, and glorifie your father which is in heauen.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

I read today about a father who's son had lost his penis. The father was so ashamed. He later on wrote that he had told his son that he is going to hell for not having a penis, he also added that his son hadn't been eating for a week. And, as serious as the father is i'm guessing the child is too, and the child will either take suicide or find another solution. All because of a religious father. But religion is about love and care, right? As for the child I'm guessing suicide.

Wouldn't you be ashamed if your son's disobedience caused him to go to hell? The only thing to do though is to distance oneself from such sin. For it is written:

James 2:10 (1611 King James Bible)

For whosoeuer shall keepe the whole Law, & yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

You all, on this website, are a bunch of fanatic murderers, oppressors, racists, hypocritical, perverted bastards.

We are True Christians™. Your hatred and persecution only serves to bless us further. You only bring shame upon yourself:

1 Peter 3:16 (1611 King James Bible)

Hauing a good conscience, that whereas they speake euill of you, as of euill doers, they may bee ashamed that falsly accuse your good conuersation in Christ.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

And the sad thing really is that you can't see it. Blinded by your book.

Son, you are the one who is blind, living in ignorance and darkness. Ponder this:

Acts 7:51 (1611 King James Bible)

¶ Ye stifnecked and vncircumcised in heart, and eares, ye doe alwayes resist the holy Ghost? as your fathers did, so doe ye.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Thinking that you're doing it for God who'll let you into heaven. How can you not see that the bible is a trick for controlling people? Do you even know why the bible contains laws and morals? Just think about it. Let it sink in. It's because before there were any real laws, laws that we live with today, there wasn't any. And the bible was the best way to create control. Did you know that here in Sweden, when religion was at its peak, we had priests that forced the people to pay taxes to the church otherwise they'd go to hell. Luckily our king back then saw the wickedness in this and forbid it. Doesn't this make you think? Doesn't this make you see? . Religon is, and will always be a powertool to control and use people. To create order. Because people back then did not understand A THING about the world! But now we do! It's 2014 and we're still living with religion. But sure, keep on living in your bubble. And you people think that the world was created 6000 years ago. But oh, where does the dinosaurs fit in with all this? Or are you going to reject that too? We have STRONG proof that the world is millions and millions years old. You can't deny that. But, as always, like I said before, religion is deceptive and manipulating. Written by men for men, hence the title "tell her once". Religion is for the weak minded. And oh, in the year 2020 the world will begin to send up people to march so that they can start living there. Imagine that. Your grand grand grand children not living on space. You think their bible will go with them? I think it'll stay here on earth, and boy am I glad for that.

God is the giver of moral law. His laws save us from our own depravity, transmuted to us from generation to generation all the way back to Adam and Eve.

Isaiah 33:22 (1611 King James Bible)

For the Lord is our Iudge, the Lord is our Lawgiuer, the Lord is our King, he wil saue vs.

As for the age of the universe, you need to do some research here on God's forum. All you doubts will be trampled and your questions answered.

Just remember, close your mind and open your heart.

[ExGay Alex]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

So what, were they there with god? Did god tell them what to write, and if he was, why would he tell different persons and not one? How can you not wonder about things like this. It's stunning, really. Would you walk across an open field of flame if it stood in the bible?

Oh, btw, I just noticed that you have a "title" called "Tell her once". Your daughters and wife must be really proud of you. Go ahead, google if it's okay to oppress women. And I can see from your picture that you're a teacher, I might be mistaken, I might not be. Do you treat female students with respect or do you just smack them when they don't do as you say? I've seen a lot of members here saying it's okay to let your daughter(s) get raped by guests if they loose their virginity before marriage. Are you one of those as well? You must be a proud man of god, it's funny really. You people on this website. You amaze me. I read today about a father who's son had lost his penis. The father was so ashamed. He later on wrote that he had told his son that he is going to hell for not having a penis, he also added that his son hadn't been eating for a week. And, as serious as the father is i'm guessing the child is too, and the child will either take suicide or find another solution. All because of a religious father. But religion is about love and care, right? As for the child I'm guessing suicide. You all, on this website, are a bunch of fanatic murderers, oppressors, racists, hypocritical, perverted bastards. And the sad thing really is that you can't see it. Blinded by your book. Thinking that you're doing it for some "god" who'll let you into heaven. How can you not see that the bible is a trick for controlling people? Do you even know why the bible contains laws and morals? Just think about it. Let it sink in. It's because before there were any real laws, laws that we live with today, there wasn't any. And the bible was the best way to create control. Did you know that here in Sweden, when religion was at its peak, we had priests that forced the people to pay taxes to the church otherwise they'd go to hell. Luckily our king back then saw the wickedness in this and forbid it. Doesn't this make you think? Doesn't this make you see? . Religon is, and will always be a powertool to control and use people. To create order. Because people back then did not understand A THING about the world! But now we do! It's 2014 and we're still living with religion. But sure, keep on living in your bubble. And you people think that the world was created 6000 years ago. But oh, where does the dinosaurs fit in with all this? Or are you going to reject that too? We have STRONG proof that the world is millions and millions years old. You can't deny that. But, as always, like I said before, religion is deceptive and manipulating. Written by men for men, hence the title "tell her once". Religion is for the weak minded. And oh, in the year 2020 the world will begin to send up people to march so that they can start living there. Imagine that. Your grand grand grand children not living on space. You think their bible will go with them? I think it'll stay here on earth, and boy am I glad for that.

A couple of things get my attention.

First, it seems you believe in Hell.

Second, it seems you are choosing to reject Christ and his temporary sacrifice because you do not want to be subject to someone else's control.

You will find a short life of selfishness a sad reward when you are being controlled by Satan's barbed tallywacker sodomizing you for eternity in Hell.

[see_the_light]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

So what, were they there with god? Did god tell them what to write, and if he was, why would he tell different persons and not one? How can you not wonder about things like this. It's stunning, really. Would you walk across an open field of flame if it stood in the bible?

Did you happen to say and write everything you had to say the moment you were born?

Or even the moment you arrived at this GOD FEARING FORUM?

You did not. There were things you wanted to say to some at a given moment, something else to others.

Things are told one after the other and at the proper moment.

1 Chronicles 22:12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.

And BTW, there are no "two testaments", there is the ONE KJV 1611, the joos might call pentateuch (that would be 5 books for you) for only the first part of their, unedited by GOD, OLD TESTAMENT. So 5 + N or 2... all wrong ONE BIBLE, ONE GOD.

And if things aren't clear yet, go out and find a rebellious child and ONCE AND FOR ALL tell him ALL you would need to tell him to correct him (and do all the rodding at the same time as well).

PRAISE THE LORD!

[John C. Coleman]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Oh, I failed to mention. No, I don't go to churches. However they are really beautiful. I used to go to the church when I was younger, but when I asked our priest questions such as "how can there be a god if even you don't know who created him", "Why does the bible only contain stuff about the earth and not the rest of the unvierse"... One day I asked to much and he slapped me over my face. He NEVER gave me a real answer. And that's when I realized how much of a lie religion really is. Now you know a little bit of myself.

Hebrews 10:25.

GET. TO. CHURCH. RIGHT. NOW.

Most religions are lies. But not Christianity, and the KJV 1611 Holy Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4 Big bang theory, and Evilution can be disproved with just 2 verses. Genesis 1:1 Genesis 1:27. I know a lot about you. I know that your going to burn in hell. Revelation 21:8 Psalm 14:1.

[John C. Coleman]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Hm, yes, I agree with you. It does seems kind of weird having this perfectly created word doesn't it? But, would you trust me if I told you that there's 1million dollars waiting for you at the end of the north pole? Even if I had written a book about it? No, you wouldn't. And that's the case here. How can a "god" ask of me to believe in him when there's 0 existenz of him? And, backing up again to the "how could the world be so perfectly created" part, we have theories for it that resembles to some kind if proof! We even have proof how we humans came to be. Proof Mark, proof. And why should I believe less in that and more in your god? How can you know when you've never been to heaven, and not even the bible can tell how it really looks inside it? (retarded question I know, except the bible part but it still stands as a factor)

O Existenz? I think you mean EXISTENCE, and there is tons of evidence for Gods existence. 2 Timothy 3:16 Matthew 4:4. The KJV 1611 is all the proof you need friend.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Hello there. My name is jonatan and I'd like to introduce myself. I've commented in some of your threads so I guess I've already made some noice of myself.

And yes, I am an athiest, I've never been religious or spiritual.

I'm so sorry. I can't imagine a life as a Jesus-despising atheist, but I suppose it only goes with Psalm 58:3. In your current state, you are nothing but hell-fodder, friend.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

But, just as any person I am allowed to give my opinion.

Actually, no. We hold no opinions, only facts as revealed in the KJV Bible, which you should crack open some time (see John 8:12, 32).

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

I am not here to breed hate, I am just here to question you.

Well, that's good because you came here uninvited and unwanted, so it's best you play nice if you want to stay around.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Why do you believe in god? Did you parents learn you at an early age? For you must excuse me because in my mind religion is all about brainwashing. As we all know when children grow up they adapt to their surrondings. So yeah, I guess my first question would be When did you believe in god?

Because we were taught to believe, and many of us were taught from an early age; others discovered Jesus© later in life in the ominous depths of debauchery. But Jesus' Religion© isn't brainwashing, only men's religions are. Atheism is the worst brainwashing ever since it causes one to deny what they once knew in their heart was true (see Romans 1:22-24).

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

How has believing in god changed your life?

I can answer that with Scripture...

Psalm 119:14-16: 14I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.
15I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
16I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Are there things you are not allowed to do? Things you wish you could do be not allowed to?

The Bible if full of commands, from forbidding us to eat bloody meats (Acts 15:29) and using different kinds of fabrics together (Deut. 22:11; Lev 19:19), to things like fellowshipping with unbelievers (2 John 9-11). This forum is chock-full of examples of God's forbidding principles, and they are many. Read around and you'll see them.

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

How do you think your life would have looked like had you not believed in god?

Friend, had God not been in my life, I'd have run off years ago to Tijuana with foreign love and a bottle of Scotch and been found dead the next morning. Without God, man cannot even live for very long.

Without God, a man does what is right in his own eyes (Proverbs 21:2; Judges 17:6). That is always folly (see Jeremiah 17:9).

Originally Posted by thecuriosity

Please forgive my english, it's not my native tounge. I'm swedish. Oh, btw, I saw that "Crankyoldman" did a thread about Sweden. Hehe, oh did it amuse me. But no worries, I wasn't offended, it was pretty fun to read, to see someone come up with such ideas... Very creative ^^

Regards, Jonatan.

This reflects your level of depravity since you can only laugh at what is seriously a condemnation of your sickly-evil country.

I will pray for you, friend. I really hope Jesus can prick your heart and make you call out to Him before it is eternally too late.

Regards,

Pastor Ed

[Naomi Ruth Lamb]

Ecclesiastes 8:17
Then I behelde all the worke of God, that a man cannot finde out the worke that is done vnder the Sunne: because though a man labour to seeke it out, yea further though a wise man thinke to know it, yet shall hee not be able to finde it.

Job 31:1
I made a couenant with mine eyes; why then should I thinke

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace giuen vnto mee, to euery man that is among you, not to thinke

1 Corinthians 8:2
And if any man thinke that hee knoweth any thing, hee knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

Praise Jesus, I no longer have to think once I accept His Truth. Since God is the almighty creator, His Mind is all I need to be concerned about. Once I become a Christian, the scriptures above inform me that thinking is not my job, but that of my God and my husband or other male teacher. Don't you see? I get TRUE JOY from being subservient to my LORD, and if God leads me to meet a man who will have me, it will be my JOY to be subservient to him, as I rightly should be.

How haughty and proud it would be to try to be rational when Jesus is my teacher! It pleases God when we put our complete faith in Him (Proverbs 3:5).

It is completely alien to me as a True Christian ™ that I should trust in science or anything other than the magnificence of my majestic Lord. Science and evilution are man made tools of satan. Trusting in those things means I would have to trust in humans. God doesn't trust me (but He loves me). Job 4:18 "Behold, hee put no trust in his seruants..."

GLORY! Christianity requires no thinking, because GOD is my mind, He is my thoughts, He is my plans, He is my dream, and He controls everything. Even if He decides to kill me, I know he loves me.

Job 13:15
Though hee slay mee, yet will I trust in him!

Glory Hallelujah! I cannot understand how you could not see how rational and perfect a life lived for Christ is. I pray that you will find His wisdom and accept His PERFECT direction for your life. I say it again: Why think for yourself when you can let God think for you? It really makes life simpler!

In Love through JESUS,
NRL