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Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
04-30-2019, 09:38 AM
New Hampshire Public Radio has the following interesting account of the view taken by a court on the question of bigamy.
Michael Middleton, accused of bigamy, enters a courtroom in Dover in March of 2019.
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A man with four wives in four different states pleaded guilty to bigamy charges in Strafford County Superior Court on Monday.
Michael Middleon was sentenced to 12 months in prison, with all of that time suspended pending good behavior. Middleton, who gained notoriety as the 'Cupid of Chaos,' is also ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation.
Proseuctors say that the 43-year-old married a Georgia woman in 2006, an Alabama woman in 2011 and a New Hampshire woman in 2013.
That led to the bigamy charge in New Hampshire, but court documents show he also married a fourth woman in Kentucky in 2016. Prosecutors say he used the marriages to gain access to the women's assets, including $20,000 from his New Hampshire wife.
[Report on earlier hearing at Court Orders Alleged 'Cupid of Chaos' Polygamist To Have No Contact With His Wives]
Middleton was arrested in Ohio in February. He also has faced domestic violence charges in Maine.
In New Hampshire, bigamy carries a maximum sentence of seven years in prison and up to a $4,000 fine.
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The first thing that will strike even the most hardened atheist or catholic is that, in secular law, "bigamy" is the impossible crime: The law prohibits a man marrying more than one wife, but the result of this prohibition is that the second "marriage" is not a marriage - therefore there was no marriage and there is no bigamy!
Having dispensed with the flawed worldly approach we must look to God for what He wants:
Now the Bible tells us in 1:Kings:11
1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:
2 Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lordhis God, as was the heart of David his father.
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
Setting aside the problem of women worshipping stone idols - all to common nowadays - obviously, if Solomon The Wise was not punished but is revered as someone who purveyed a Wisdom similar to God's, it appears that, of itself, bigamy is not a serious matter - it is simply the desire of those who are in a position to procreate to the maximum to do just that. And, in that procreation, more Christians are produced and what could be wrong with that.
The examples of many wives and concubines are numerous in the Old Testament - a time when men were naturally closer to God.
Of course, we would expect Jesus to have a public comment on this, and He does not disappoint:
M't:19:4: And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
M't:19:5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
M't:19:6: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Now many false prophets have interpreted this as a prohibition on bigamy. This is quite ridiculous! Jesus was speaking on the very opposite of marriage! He was speaking of divorce!
Jesus had no need to change the law and customs of God's People and indeed stated
M't:5:18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So we see that Mat:19:4-6 is merely a generality that takes place within any marriage and it doesn't matter how many wives a man has he becomes one with each of them.
So, to return to the court case, we see that the lack of jail time reflects a Christian view and gives a nod to "man's law" - the judge, in handing out this sentence, showed the wisdom of Solomon.
As an aside - I will mention that the judge in the case seems to have been quite remarkable - a True Christian - you will not have missed "also ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation".
It has emerged that the reason for this is that the atheist prosecutor knew so little of the Bible that he thought that Michael Middleon was mad! What a sad, but all too common piece of persecution by the godless!
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Re: Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
04-30-2019, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire
in secular law, "bigamy" is the impossible crime: The law prohibits a man marrying more than one wife, but the result of this prohibition is that the second "marriage" is not a marriage - therefore there was no marriage and there is no bigamy!
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That's how it works for mohammedans. And what about Africans? How many wives are they allowed? The Swazi king has a dozen or more and his father (had) multiples of that. Given time he'll be able to exceed any record he wishes. And what if he's looking to purchase a fleet of Cadillacs for his wives? Upon arrival will he be whisked away to the joint for bigamy? Of course not. This is what happens when God is taken out of the public square and prayer removed from schools. Hipocracy, with a capital H.
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Re: Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
04-30-2019, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire
New Hampshire Public Radio has the following interesting account of the view taken by a court on the question of bigamy.
Michael Middleton, accused of bigamy, enters a courtroom in Dover in March of 2019. The first thing that will strike even the most hardened atheist or catholic is that, in secular law, "bigamy" is the impossible crime: The law prohibits a man marrying more than one wife, but the result of this prohibition is that the second "marriage" is not a marriage - therefore there was no marriage and there is no bigamy!
Having dispensed with the flawed worldly approach we must look to God for what He wants:
Now the Bible tells us in 1:Kings:11
1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:
2 Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lordhis God, as was the heart of David his father.
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
Setting aside the problem of women worshipping stone idols - all to common nowadays - obviously, if Solomon The Wise was not punished but is revered as someone who purveyed a Wisdom similar to God's, it appears that, of itself, bigamy is not a serious matter - it is simply the desire of those who are in a position to procreate to the maximum to do just that. And, in that procreation, more Christians are produced and what could be wrong with that.
The examples of many wives and concubines are numerous in the Old Testament - a time when men were naturally closer to God.
Of course, we would expect Jesus to have a public comment on this, and He does not disappoint:
M't:19:4: And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
M't:19:5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
M't:19:6: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Now many false prophets have interpreted this as a prohibition on bigamy. This is quite ridiculous! Jesus was speaking on the very opposite of marriage! He was speaking of divorce!
Jesus had no need to change the law and customs of God's People and indeed stated
M't:5:18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So we see that Mat:19:4-6 is merely a generality that takes place within any marriage and it doesn't matter how many wives a man has he becomes one with each of them.
So, to return to the court case, we see that the lack of jail time reflects a Christian view and gives a nod to "man's law" - the judge, in handing out this sentence, showed the wisdom of Solomon.
As an aside - I will mention that the judge in the case seems to have been quite remarkable - a True Christian - you will not have missed "also ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation".
It has emerged that the reason for this is that the atheist prosecutor knew so little of the Bible that he thought that Michael Middleon was mad! What a sad, but all too common piece of persecution by the godless!
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Here in my godless country,I wonder why the government never enforces bigamy but it is actually a state offense
John chapter 15 verses 13-14
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.
You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
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Re: Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
04-30-2019, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire
we must look to God for what He wants:
- obviously, if Solomon The Wise was not punished but is revered as someone who purveyed a Wisdom similar to God's, it appears that, of itself, bigamy is not a serious matter - it is simply the desire of those who are in a position to procreate to the maximum to do just that. And, in that procreation, more Christians are produced and what could be wrong with that.
The examples of many wives and concubines are numerous in the Old Testament - a time when men were naturally closer to God.
So, to return to the court case, we see that the lack of jail time reflects a Christian view and gives a nod to "man's law" - the judge, in handing out this sentence, showed the wisdom of Solomon.
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Thank you, Pastor, for shedding light on this most misunderstood issue. When we simply read the Word of God we find solutions not available elsewhere. When a man finds there is a shortage of children he must find a solution. This man noticed the shortage and decided to do something about it.
Many school districts are finding there are fewer children to teach. We could all learn from him.
Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Re: Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
05-01-2019, 08:52 PM
Sure like there's more than enough of young Michael Middleton to go around. Is it really a crime to share that much love?
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Re: Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
05-02-2019, 03:37 AM
Not everyone identifies marriage in the same way.
• For some, new-age hippies for instance, free love is the norm. A few may get together and function as a unit possibly going through a pagan crystal ceremony or wriggling through a hole in some rock they've discovered.
• Mormonism has something similar in the meantime, with a ceremony (I'm just guessing here, who knows what they do?) and a formal record according to their culture. The man is married to all the women but the women are not married to each other.
• Meanwhile, across the oceans, a different hallucinating maniac OK's a similar arrangement with different categories of spouse able to produce legitimate heirs and again a record is kept.
• Without introducing too many categories, I do need to include the matrilineal cliff dwelling community. The males are brave hunters. They need to be. Grubs and scorpions are staples dug out from the cliff face, served with bitter weeds such as manage a root-hold in the crumbling rock; mostly they fall off. Females require many husbands to ensure the survival of the tribe since very few males survive 20 years and are mostly absent hunting grubs.
How many's that? Four. Circumstances dictate that they all move to Freehold. From their own point of view they're all in the same boat, legitimately wed. They are able to continue their traditions unimpeded.
• The hippies are all married to one another, their record is feathers stuck in a dreamcatcher. Mabel identifies as a duck in the spirit world so she has a duck feather, Cyprian is an owl, Annunziata a cooing dove, Audrey and Aubrey are parrots so their feathers are the brightest of all! The registrar does not acknowledge their dreamcatcher however so officially they're just a bunch of hippies piling in on one another whenever they feel like it.
• The Mormons have a different result. Unfortunately their record is acknowledged because their culture is homegrown. It would seem pretty alien to me let's face it no-one's going to Kolob are they, and if one of them does baptism for Adam & Eve the stars will not go out. BANG! A charge of bigamy is brought.
• Their co-bigamist from across the sea on the other hand, identical in every respect with a register kept and legitimate heirs (according to their culture) being produced, spouses not committing adultery with one another (unless they forgot to write in the book) except that their book is no more acknowledged than the hippies' dream catcher. Free to go.
• Grubs are not a delicacy but I've heard that scorpions aren't too bad. I won't be eating one even so. The main attraction for this society would be a certain rotating variety of partners. Not rotating exactly because they don't last long on the cliff but there's a good supply of replacements coming through. When you can buy candied scorpions in a shop though, a problem arises. Males are no longer in short supply and the bone through your nose is not seen as signifying marriage to anyone. You can't get rid of of them and they're not yours in the first place. But there they are with their grubs.
This is what happens when the same law is not applied to everyone equally. What for one is the most upright propriety for another is a heinous crime, in the eyes of the law itself, regardless of the fact that within their own cultures they have not transgressed at all. Whether seen a a de facto bawdy house or a flotilla of gigolos by normal people means little to them. The Bible provides God's standard. Without it how could anyone have standards at all?
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Re: Bigamy - Big of me, or Big of you? -
05-04-2019, 06:10 PM
I looked, but was unable to discern if ANY of these so called marriages are valid. I saw no mention of any healthy sons.
Just because a bewitching woman takes advantage of a caring man does not put the blame on him. It puts the blame squarely on the narrow hips of the harlot for trying to bamboozle the fellow.
A few other things simply do not make sense. What man would possibly ever want four cackling wives!!! To marry for just $20,000? It will cost him more than that to feed and clothe her for a life expectancy of 30 children.
Did he set up a CaringChristians™ GoFundMe account? I'd be happy to send a little something, assuming it is tax deductible.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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