[Tingly Bill]

Originally Posted by Brother_Percy

Reason No. 1 - The Holy Bible!

Atheists 'claim' that God doesn't exist, yet the Bible proves them WRONG! I can see the Bible, hold it in my hand, and know 1000% that it exists! As God wrote the Bible, this proves that he MUST EXIST too! How dumb these Atheists are!

I particularly love this strange recursive attempt at a proof. Do you realise that youve started by assuming its true in order to prove that its true? you could apply this argument to literally anything.

As a mathematician im going for the proof by contradiction approach, which essentially means that i'll assume god does not exist and go about my life until im met with a contradiction. its been 22 years and counting so far.

(and no a 2000 year old book isnt quite sufficient)

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Tingly Bill

I particularly love this strange recursive attempt at a proof. Do you realise that youve started by assuming its true in order to prove that its true? you could apply this argument to literally anything.

As a mathematician im going for the proof by contradiction approach, which essentially means that i'll assume god does not exist and go about my life until im met with a contradiction. its been 22 years and counting so far.

(and no a 2000 year old book isnt quite sufficient)

Typical pride-filled, cold-hearted, egocentric, evil atheist. I don't understand how you can be so stupid and intolerant at the same time

I'll pray for you.

[Mickey Taylor]

heathen basher, i share your love for Christ, but your reply below puzzles me, not one word of the pre-mentioned post, was of a
'Typical pride-filled, cold-hearted, egocentric, evil' nature, please restrain youtself in future. Your words are a condemnation of the teaching of Christ..

[Mickey Taylor]

Your post is now of a clearer meaning to me, and i thank you for this.

Christ however embraced all into his circle, being sure to exclude no-one, we should follow the actions of christ above his words,

Actions speak louder then words afterall

You've also just given me an infraction, and the reason for this is most puzzling,

I am Christian and have been for all of my life, therefore comments or should i say labellings of 'Athiest using Landover to mock Christianity' are most unwellcome.

My comments were not vicous or of a hate-mongering intent either, why is it that you act against the followers of god, of which you are unfamiliar with yet do not strike out at those, that insult them... Your actions are very unchristian and warrant explanation

[Meek and Humble]

Originally Posted by Above Reproach

Your post is now of a clearer meaning to me, and i thank you for this.

Christ however embraced all into his circle, being sure to exclude no-one, we should follow the actions of christ above his words,

That's ridiculous. Christ accepted all into his circle who believed in Him. Everyone else He rejected and sentenced to an eternity of torture in the bowels of hell.

Matthew 10:14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 10: 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 11: 20Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Matthew 13:10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Matthew 24:50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25: 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25: 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 16: 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 11: 23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Luke 12: 10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Luke 13:23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

John 10: 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

[Noah Dint]

Originally Posted by Tingly Bill

I particularly love this strange recursive attempt at a proof. Do you realise that youve started by assuming its true in order to prove that its true? you could apply this argument to literally anything.

As a mathematician im going for the proof by contradiction approach, which essentially means that i'll assume god does not exist and go about my life until im met with a contradiction. its been 22 years and counting so far.

(and no a 2000 year old book isnt quite sufficient)

I am sure that my Brothers and Sisters are getting tired of hearing me say this to non-believers. I fear there are so many Heathens online lately that I am beginning to sound very redundent.

OK, so let's do it your way. Keep your same thought process and then:

Let's assume YOU are right.
You don't go to Heaven!

Let's assume YOU are wrong.
You go to Hell for all eternity!

I would like to commend you on the outstanding options you have left for yourself. And others call ME rude for pointing out the obviously stupid people that cross our path here. It used to amaze me. Now it is common-place.

-ND

[TakingYouWithMe]

this has probably been mentioned somewhere on the forum, but saying that god exists because the bible says though is the equivalent of saying "there is a book about harry potter. therefore, harry potter exists." regardless of whether or not harry potter exists, thats just a shocking lack of any logic whatsoever.

[Wide-Open]

Except that Harry Potter didn't dictate his own book.

[tigepenala]

As a former atheist (now saved) I understand why they thought these arguments stood any ground whatsoever.

I used to read lots of books on evilution, the universe, and other dribble that I now realized I could have learned from just one.

But nonetheless, I believe that instead of just talking about how wrong the sinners are, you should look for actual reasons. I will be referencing the first post made by Brother Percy.

1. We may know that the Holy Bible is true, but they don't. I read a harry potter reference just above me, and even if the book was written by the LORD, devil-worshipers have no reason to believe this, as they don't even think there IS the LORD.

2. What the Atheists believe, is that we share a common ancestor, and that the monkeys, gorillas, and apes are just our cousins in the evilutionary tree.

3. The big bang -IS- bullshit, the only single reason anyone has for such TRASH is that the universe is expanding, nothing else.

4. The devil-worshipers are also, obviously wrong here too.

I am encouraging that one just thinks about reasons for numbers 1 and 2 if you don't want to come off as offensive, I did have more to say but I have to go out and eat now .

[Rational]

1. The bible is a story, much like the story of Santa. Santa was created to produce a sensation of happiness in young children. The bible was created to produce sanity in the population and to answer questions that were or still are un-answerable. Also prove that "God" wrote the bible.

2. Evolution is a form of "The strong survive" evolution is due to the fact that an organism/animal evolves/changes due to its surroundings. There are millions of examples of evolution such as bears. There are polar bears in the northern hemisphere, white/clear fur to blend in to its surrounding giving it an advantage on its prey.

Humans even show evolution in the present day. Black people have darken skin due to their original climate on the equator where the sun is strongest, they are taller to release more body heat. Aboriginal people are shorter and contain more fat to keep warm.

3. If "God" is real then why was "God" proven wrong with the creation of man. The bible states that Adam and Eve were the initial generation of humans which occurred about 4000 or so years ago. If this is true then explain the cave man which have been discovered in northern Canada which have been carbon dated over 300,000 years old.

5. Already answered, if you where not presently blinded by the truth you would know the answer too.

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by Rational

The bible (sic) was created to produce sanity in the population and to answer questions that were or still are un-answerable.

Exactly. So you reject it because... ?

Originally Posted by Rational

Also prove that "God" wrote the bible (sic).

Well, a simple Google search would give you 6.8 million hits for your answer, including scientific ones:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...d6ef47431c6a4a

Originally Posted by Rational

3. If "God" is real then why was "God" proven wrong with the creation of man.

God has never been proven wrong, but the scientific methodology has been proven wrong many times. Just ask Einstein with his theory of relativity what he thought about Newton's laws.

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by Rational

1. The bible is a story, much like the story of Santa. Santa was created to produce a sensation of happiness in young children.

Wrong. Even wickedpedia disagrees with you.

2. Evolution is a form of "The strong survive"

Wrong. Even evilutionists do not claim this.

evolution is due to the fact that an organism/animal evolves/changes due to its surroundings.

Wrong. Even evilutionists do not claim this. What you describe is Lamarckism.

3. If "God" is real then why was "God" proven wrong with the creation of man.

I think I'm going to give up on you. You even put evil atheists to shame!

[Sagan31]

Originally Posted by Brother_Percy

Friends,

As we are currently discussing Why Atheists are so miserable, I have decided to start this new thread - to continue my '101 Reasons' Series with '101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG'.

Reason No. 1 - The Holy Bible!

Atheists 'claim' that God doesn't exist, yet the Bible proves them WRONG! I can see the Bible, hold it in my hand, and know 1000% that it exists! As God wrote the Bible, this proves that he MUST EXIST too! How dumb these Atheists are!

What? Because the bible exist therefore God must too?

I'd say that fails logically, but it employs no logic.

Reason No. 2 - Evil-ution from Monkeys!

If we really evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys STILL exist? Surely they would've evolved too? And why don't we have tails or swing from trees or speak in monkey-talk? These atheists must be pretty deluded to believe such nonsense!

Most people with a high school education can understand why this is. That would be like asking why other dogs than border collies exist. It just doesn't make sense.

Reason No. 3 - The 'Big Bang'

Atheists believe there was a 'Big Bang' which created the Earth and the Universe and all things?? Well, what created the 'Big Bang'?? And what was there before it 'banged'??? Ask ANY atheist - they won't be able to answer you! Why? Because God created the 'Big Bang'! And then went on to create the Earth and everything in just 6 days! Praise Jesus!

What created God?

Reason No. 4 - Dinosaurs

Most dumb atheists believe that man and dinosaurs didn't inhabit the Earth at the same time. However, we know this to be a LIE! Didn't Noah ride dinosaurs onto the Ark? Aren't Dinosaurs mentioned throughout the Bible?

Hahahaha.

[A Follower]

Originally Posted by Rational

2. Evolution is a form of "The strong survive" evolution is due to the fact that an organism/animal evolves/changes due to its surroundings. There are millions of examples of evolution such as bears. There are polar bears in the northern hemisphere, white/clear fur to blend in to its surrounding giving it an advantage on its prey.

How does white fur on a polar bear prove evilution? It doesn't say anything about what color the fur was before or from what species it evolved, it only shows that the polar bear is designed perfectly for the environment it lives in.

To be exact the existence of both polar and black bears is a counter proof to evilution. Evilution claims that both types of bear had one common ancestor, maybe it was white, maybe it was black, maybe something else entirely, it doesn't matter much which. Then, according to evilution, the tribe of ancestor bears split up, one going to the woods and becoming black bears and one going to the arctic and becoming polar bears. But if the bears had been white when they arrived in the woods they would stand out so much they would never be able to capture prey, the only way black bears could have started to live in the woods is if they were already black when they came there. For the polar bears the exact same thing is true, if the polar bears had not already been white when they came to the arctic they would not be fit for that environment, and they would not have survived, so the existence of both black bears and polar bears proves evilution is a lie.

Originally Posted by Rational

Humans even show evolution in the present day. Black people have darken skin due to their original climate on the equator where the sun is strongest, they are taller to release more body heat. Aboriginal people are shorter and contain more fat to keep warm.

No, humans do not show evilution to the present day. Humans have been black or white or yellow for the past several thousand years. Both hamites and Christians have come to America, but neither has evolved into what evilution claims is the proper color for this continent (red), they have all stayed the same color.

You also seem to claim that pygmies (who live in Africa near the equator) are very tall. Reality says they are tiny.

And why are people in South Africa black, even though it is as far from the equator as China, Mexico and Morroco where people aren't black?

You even say aboriginals are short and fat, but the climate in Australia and the nearby island chains is as warm as tropical Africa. Why doesn't evilution do what you claim it should be doing?

[swebonny]

Originally Posted by A Follower

How does white fur on a polar bear prove evilution? It doesn't say anything about what color the fur was before or from what species it evolved, it only shows that the polar bear is designed perfectly for the environment it lives in.

To be exact the existence of both polar and black bears is a counter proof to evilution. Evilution claims that both types of bear had one common ancestor, maybe it was white, maybe it was black, maybe something else entirely, it doesn't matter much which. Then, according to evilution, the tribe of ancestor bears split up, one going to the woods and becoming black bears and one going to the arctic and becoming polar bears. But if the bears had been white when they arrived in the woods they would stand out so much they would never be able to capture prey, the only way black bears could have started to live in the woods is if they were already black when they came there. For the polar bears the exact same thing is true, if the polar bears had not already been white when they came to the arctic they would not be fit for that environment, and they would not have survived, so the existence of both black bears and polar bears proves evilution is a lie.


No, humans do not show evilution to the present day. Humans have been black or white or yellow for the past several thousand years. Both hamites and Christians have come to America, but neither has evolved into what evilution claims is the proper color for this continent (red), they have all stayed the same color.

You also seem to claim that pygmies (who live in Africa near the equator) are very tall. Reality says they are tiny.

And why are people in South Africa black, even though it is as far from the equator as China, Mexico and Morroco where people aren't black?

You even say aboriginals are short and fat, but the climate in Australia and the nearby island chains is as warm as tropical Africa. Why doesn't evilution do what you claim it should be doing?

Son, why are you replying to a sinner?

[peterjohansson]

Originally Posted by Glendora Christianson

...
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you were afraid to die because you secretly knew you were going to HELL!

Hi I'm new here. I'm not an atheist but I do have some concerns of what I read here. Why would God send humans to hell if they do not believe he excists? I really doubt that is what is true. 'I send you to hell if you do not believe in me!'. I think you misunderstood or made that part up. God forgives and I see no reason why he would give a soul to his evil 'rival'.

Originally Posted by Brother_Percy

These atheists are so retarded!

Developmental disability should not be used as a curse or something to point out to someone you do not agree with. I have a son that has the down syndrome.

I just felt the need to point this out. Hopefully I can enjoy this forums in the future and learn more about the Bible.


Peter Johansson

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by peterjohansson

Hi I'm new here. I'm not an atheist but I do have some concerns of what I read here. Why would God send humans to hell if they do not believe he excists? I really doubt that is what is true. 'I send you to hell if you do not believe in me!'. I think you misunderstood or made that part up. God forgives and I see no reason why he would give a soul to his evil 'rival'.

Because God has made it abundantly clear that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ alone. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Jesus, and thus you miss out on your ticket. Makes sense.

[peterjohansson]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Because God has made it abundantly clear that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ alone. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Jesus, and thus you miss out on your ticket. Makes sense.

Wouldn't plain old death be enough , the wages of sin is death so why the need for eternal pain & torment , it sounds more like revenge to me .
I see no benifit in eternal torment when death is enough.

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by peterjohansson

Why would God send humans to hell if they do not believe he excists? I really doubt that is what is true.

Strange. You say you are not an atheist. Which religion do you follow?

Every single monotheistic and polytheistic religion known to man during the past 6000 years require at least the acknowledgement of the deity or deities central to that religion.

Please, show me any such religion where your assertion is true.

[peterjohansson]

I follow Jesus and the holy Lord wherever I go. If it is Gods will I understand.