[Ezekiel Bathfire]

What's this about it being colder on mountains? Surely the amount of heat per square foot reaching a mountain top must be greater than that reaching the ground by virtue of the inverse square law.

Edit: I've just remembered, I went up Mount Kilimanjaro in December of 72, and it was warmer up there than it was on top of Mount Rushmore a few weeks later.

[Nobar King]

A winter ascent! That's very brave, Brother!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

On another thread, Jessev had a question about the mass of the sun. I thought it best to answer that question here and redirect him.

This should be pretty easy to calculate because we have already determined that the sun is made out of coal and that the radius is 9.161km.

Coal has a density of 1.51 g/cm^3. To work with something the size of the sun, we'll convert that to 1510 Tg (teragrams, or million metric tons)/km^3.

The sun's volume is 4/3 * π * 9.161^3 ≅ 3220 km^3. Therefore the mass of the sun is approximately 1510 * 3220 = 4,862,200 Tg (or 4.9 Eg, or almost 5 trillion metric tons!)

That's huge! God must be pretty powerful to suspend something that heavy up there!

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Edited to add: In other news, it's supposed to be sunny here tomorrow, and Tom brought a pyranometer over to the church earlier this evening, so we'll be able to use the inverse squares law to confirm or debunk all my ciphering to date.

[Nobar King]

Coal is black, yet the sun appears yellow. What happens when the coal is all burned up?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

Coal is black, yet the sun appears yellow. What happens when the coal is all burned up?

I'm not sure. Maybe the angels are in charge keeping it stoked. Or maybe it's a miracle like the burning bush where the fire doesn't actually consume anything. The Bible doesn't say, so it must not be anything we need to be too worried about.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[BibleBeliever]

Pastor Billy-Rueben, there is no reason for me to check over your work because Jesus has given you the gift of understanding math and science! That, and you're the pastor and thus my authority ...

There's one thing that I'm interested in ... is how far are the waters above, like where the rain comes from. We know that the sun is in the firmament and the firmament separates the waters below from the waters above. Can an airplane go to the waters above? Inquisitive minds would like to know!

[BibleBeliever]

This coal stuff is confusing me.

[Nobar King]

Coal is a concentrated source of energy.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

I know that whenever I fire up my Weber© barbecue the coals glow reddish-yellow. The sun has got to be hotter than that.

Coal is only black when it's not burning.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by BibleBeliever

There's one thing that I'm interested in ... is how far are the waters above, like where the rain comes from. We know that the sun is in the firmament and the firmament separates the waters below from the waters above.

That water above the firmament is for flooding, not just ordinary rain.

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Rain is caused by something known as the "hydrologic cycle", and if you stitch together verses from disparate parts of the Bible, you get a complete description:

Eccl 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
Ps 135:7 He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain; he bringeth the wind out of his treasuries.
Job 26:8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Job 36:27 For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:
Job 36:28 Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly.

So thousands of years before the scientists "discovered" the hydrologic cycle, God put a complete description of it in the Holy Bible.

Originally Posted by BibleBeliever

Can an airplane go to the waters above? Inquisitive minds would like to know!

I don't see how it could. The firmament is a solid structure and an airplane wouldn't be able to pass through it. It's nothing to worry about, though, because airplanes don't fly nearly high enough to crash into the firmament. High-flying jets only fly at an altitude of about 10 miles.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[H. Montague Worthington]

Pastor, I've noticed that you're using the metric system in your calculations-- the very same system used by the UN, liberal elites, pointy-headed liberals at secular universities, and assorted Eurotrash Heathens. You're not going socialist on us, are you?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by H. Montague Worthington

Pastor, I've noticed that you're using the metric system in your calculations-- the very same system used by the UN, liberal elites, pointy-headed liberals at secular universities, and assorted Eurotrash Heathens. You're not going socialist on us, are you?

Not at all, brother. I only use it when I do creation science work because it makes the math easier. I use gallons, miles, pounds, and Fahrenheits for everything else.

We set up the pyranometer out on the church lawn this morning, took a reading, and found that the solar radiation was 1320.2413 watts/square meter. Tom and Bill are setting it up on the roof of the church now. We should be able to take the difference, factor in the height of the roof, and use the inverse squares law to confirm the distance to the sun.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

The pyranometer reading from the roof of the church is 1320.3710 watts/square meter. The reading on the lawn was 1320.2413 w/m^2. The roof is 148 feet above the ground, or 45.1 meters.

So now we know that the roof of the church is 45.1 meters closer to the sun than the lawn, and it receives 1320.3710/1320.2413 = 1.00009824 times as much solar radiation.

We then plug those numbers into the inverse squares formula like so...

45.1 / (√(1320.3710/1320.2413) - 1)

...and we find that the sun must be 916066.0 meters (569.2 miles) away, which is exactly the same figure we came up with using the spectrometer in this post.

It looks like all of the objections that Pyrrhus raised were nothing more than red herrings. This matter is settled.

Isn't it amazing how TRUE science always confirms what the Bible has to say!

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[999Dev]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

Praise the Lord! He has shown me how to prove scientifically that the sun is no more than 500 miles overhead.

Here is the proof:

To start off with, the sun is hot enough to glow yellow, so we can use Wein's Displacement Law to determine the temperature.

Wein's Displacement Law:
Peak Wavelength in meters = displacement constant / temperature in Kelvin

Yellow light has a wavelength between 570nm and 580nm, so we'll solve for 575nm. Since we are working with nanometers rather than meters, we'll simplify the math by multiplying the displacement constant by 10^9.

575 = 2897768.5/T
575 * T = 2897768.5
T = 2897768.5/575
T = 5039.6° K (8611.6° F)

So the sun is about 5039.6° Kelvin.

Now, the average temperature of the earth is 59° F, or about 288° K. The mean temperature gradient of the troposphere is 6° K/km, so let's solve for the distance.

d = (5039.6 - 288)/6
d = 791.9 km (491.1 miles)

There you have it. The sun is roughly 491.1 miles overhead. Depending on the exact shade of yellow (whether it's closer to 570nm or 580nm), this figure could be off by as much as 5 miles. However, I don't have a spectrometer handy, and I'm willing to live with an uncertainty of ±5 miles. It's not like I'm planning to visit anytime soon -- my shoes would melt .

The LORD is so good to me. Praise the sweet name of Jesus.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Try again, the sun is 5500C on the surface, it produces light across the entire spectrum, red to blue. Whilst it does produce more yellow than the other colours it's not by much. If the sun was cooler by 2000C it would appear red and if it was hotter by say 15000C it would appear blue. Our atmosphere also filters the light, some colours more than others. If the sun was viewed from space it would appear white, even viewing the sun from everest would make it appear more white than yellow.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by 999Dev

Try again, the sun is 5500C on the surface, it produces light across the entire spectrum, red to blue. Whilst it does produce more yellow than the other colours it's not by much. If the sun was cooler by 2000C it would appear red and if it was hotter by say 15000C it would appear blue. Our atmosphere also filters the light, some colours more than others. If the sun was viewed from space it would appear white, even viewing the sun from everest would make it appear more white than yellow.

Argumentative sort of man aren't you? http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...0&postcount=52

[999Dev]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

Argumentative sort of man aren't you? http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...0&postcount=52

Yes I'am, I can't help myself, when I see bullsiht I must respond, and that my friend was total bullsiht.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by 999Dev

Yes I'am, I can't help myself, when I see bullsiht I must respond, and that my friend was total bullsiht.

"There are none as blind as those who will not see." or, as God said, 1Co:1:20: Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by 999Dev

Yes I'am, I can't help myself, when I see bullsiht I must respond, and that my friend was total bullsiht.

The hint that he was dropping for you, that went completely over your head, was a link to where I had already said everything you just said.

We already said that the sun produces light across the entire spectrum, we already said that if the sun were cooler it would be redder and if it were warmer it would be bluer, and I already posted the output from a spectrometer showing how the atmosphere filters out some wavelengths more than others.

You just restated some of the things I already said in the form of an argument. I don't know who you are arguing against because you are in complete agreement with me.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[999Dev]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

The hint that he was dropping for you, that went completely over your head, was a link to where I had already said everything you just said.

We already said that the sun produces light across the entire spectrum, we already said that if the sun were cooler it would be redder and if it were warmer it would be bluer, and I already posted the output from a spectrometer showing how the atmosphere filters out some wavelengths more than others.

You just restated some of the things I already said in the form of an argument. I don't know who you are arguing against because you are in complete agreement with me.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Sorry I don't read through all the replies, too many sheep who just agree for the sake of it.

Complete agreement? The sun is not Approx 500 miles from earth.
I guess solar flares don't happen either?

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by 999Dev

I guess solar flares don't happen either?

Even sickular scientists agree that they are not happening right now. (of course, they never did)

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