[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by Joo

That was just downright mean.

This coming from someone who KILLED CHRIST?

[Homertard]

No, Christ isn't dead. Jackass.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

What is your scriptural support for such a blasphemous act?

The baby cannot yet accept Jesus Christ as His Saviour, and thus you baptize it in vain.

But babies can't even say their mommas name!
Nor could they ever understand the necessity of truly accepting God, as they are too stupid and sinful.

.. Kind of like Homerta.

Infants are baptized 'as Christ's own' and the parents are blessed and annointed; the child is then raised in the church; at the age of 12 or 13 the young person (or any previously baptized adult candidate) is now ready for the sacrament(s) of Confirmation or Reaffirmation of Baptismal Vows

See this from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer:

The Bishop says:

The Candidate will now be presented.

The Presenters say:

I present these persons for Confirmation.

The Bishop asks the candidates:

Do you reaffirm your renunciation of evil?

The candidate says:

I do.

(or)

I do, and with God's Grace I will follow him as my Savior and Lord.

The Bishop addresses the congregation, saying:

Will you who witness these vows do all in your power to support these persons in their life in Christ?

The People say:

We will.

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Infants are baptized 'as Christ's own'

So to cut alot of your BS short: you walk contrary to God and Holy scripture.
Even if you baptize these babies, if they die, they'll go to hell:
So who are you really baptizing for then, God, or only for your own sakes?
Yourselves, of course. You fool the babies parents into thinking they're (the babies) Saved and will go to Heaven, should something happen to them.

You seek the praise of men instead of God's approval.
It's blasphemous and will lead you straight to hell!

Originally Posted by Homerta

No, Christ isn't dead. Jackass.

So Jesus didn't die on the cross for our sins?
Are you a mudslime or something?

Jesus temporarily DIED for your sins, and was raised again after three days!
So the only jackass is you and your kike ancestors who rejected and KILLED Jesus.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

So to cut alot of your BS short: you walk contrary to God and Holy scripture.

Even if you baptize these babies, if they die, they'll go to hell:
So who are you really baptizing for then, God, or only for your own sakes?

Yourselves, of course. You fool the babies parents into thinking they're (the babies) Saved and will go to Heaven, should something happen to them.

You seek the praise of men instead of God's approval.
It's blasphemous and will lead you straight to hell!

No, the High Church rites are not BS. No, we don't walk contrary to scripture. No, babies will not go to hell if they die. Yes, the babies' parents are assured of heaven for their children should they die. No, I do not seek the praise of any man. No, I am not going to hell.

Have you ever set foot inside the doors of a real church? Have you been baptized with water and the Holy Spirit by a real ordained minister, priest, deacon or bishop? If not, then you are missing out on the good stuff.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

No, the High Church rites are not BS. No, we don't walk contrary to scripture. No, babies will not go to hell if they die. Yes, the babies' parents are assured of heaven for their children should they die. No, I do not seek the praise of any man. No, I am not going to hell.

Have you ever set foot inside the doors of a real church? Have you been baptized with water and the Holy Spirit by a real ordained minister, priest, deacon or bishop? If not, then you are missing out on the good stuff.

Look Noodles, the only "good stuff" is Landover Baptist - we are the only ones that follow the True Word of God, every word of the Bible (KJV1611). We are not some "High Church" cathylick wannabes that got started because King Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the pope would not give it to him. Now take your Satanic proselytizing somewhere else.

Praise Jesus!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Have you ever set foot inside the doors of a real church? Have you been baptized with water and the Holy Spirit by a real ordained minister, priest, deacon or bishop? If not, then you are missing out on the good stuff.

How dare you question the Baptist credentials of Brother William?! I was the one who personally immersed him in the golden baptismal pool in the main chapel. It was quite a moving event. To imply the Brother W is "missing out" on anything is tantamount to denying the Holy Ghost. And I hope you don't want to go down THAT path.

Your mindless rant above is further evidence that God got it right when He commanded females to keep their traps shut.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Originally Posted by Homerta

No, Christ isn't dead. Jackass.

Oh really?
The bible being as much of a fallacy as it is, the jesus myth being entirely copied and twisted from earlier Pagan beliefs, if there really was a historical jesus he would have been perhaps a smart, ordinary man, in no way divine, who would have been terrified of a cigarette lighter, and bearing no resemblance to the biblical version.

That being said, if such a person did exist thousands of years ago, then yeah, they'd be pretty damn dead by now. Unless you're hoping he/she/it came back as a zombie.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan

Look Noodles, the only "good stuff" is Landover Baptist - we are the only ones that follow the True Word of God, every word of the Bible (KJV1611). We are not some "High Church" cathylick wannabes that got started because King Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the pope would not give it to him. Now take your Satanic proselytizing somewhere else.

Praise Jesus!

AAARRRGGGHHHH

... noodles ... noodly noddy ... love it!

(love that smilie too)

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

How dare you question the Baptist credentials of Brother William?! I was the one who personally immersed him in the golden baptismal pool in the main chapel. It was quite a moving event. To imply the Brother W is "missing out" on anything is tantamount to denying the Holy Ghost. And I hope you don't want to go down THAT path.

Your mindless rant above is further evidence that God got it right when He commanded females to keep their traps shut.

... um ... actually I was answering Mr. Salvation Seeker ...

... but noddy says sorry, repents of sins

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

... um ... actually I was answering Mr. Salvation Seeker ...

... but noddy says sorry, repents of sins

I baptised Brother SS too. So that same thing applies.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

I baptised Brother SS too. So that same thing applies.

Yes Pastor Zeke, apologies from nods

[Joo (Quarantined)]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

This coming from someone who KILLED CHRIST?

I didn't kill Christ. I'm not Jewish, and even if I was, was I alive however many thousand years ago you say it was? No, so don't say idiotic things, it doesn't help your case.

[Homertard]

So, you guys dislike Jews, and black people? Can I have a bible lesson here, I wanna know why lol.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

No, the High Church rites are not BS. No, we don't walk contrary to scripture. No, babies will not go to hell if they die. Yes, the babies' parents are assured of heaven for their children should they die.

What? Where on earth do you get that nonsense from? Certainly not God's word! People who don't accept Jesus go to Hell, simple as that. Also, what do you believe happens to unbaptised babies?

Originally Posted by Joo

I didn't kill Christ. I'm not Jewish, and even if I was, was I alive however many thousand years ago you say it was? No, so don't say idiotic things, it doesn't help your case.

Originally Posted by Homerta

So, you guys dislike Jews, and black people? Can I have a bible lesson here, I wanna know why lol.

John 19:12-15 clearly shows how the Jews killed Jesus. The Jewish community have yet to issue a formal apology for killing Christ, so we can only assume that, given the chance to kill Christ again, they happily would, which means that your Joo friend bears moral responsibility for the death of Jesus (see also Matthew 5:27-28). And we do not dislike black people as long as they know their place, you insufferable twit!

[Homertard]

And what is their place, you non-insufferable twit?! lol

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

No, the High Church rites are not BS.

Says you and them. But not scripture.
Find me a SINGLE verse that supports baptizing babies.
Or that even says babies are innocent.

Jesus says that we are to be as CHILDREN, not as babies.
He said this because the faith of a faithful child is pure and absolute:
Usually more so than an adult.

Babies however are selfish, sinful, and stupid. Shapen in iniquity and born in sin. (Psalm 51:5)

No, we don't walk contrary to scripture. No, babies will not go to hell if they die.

That is a complete oxymormon, fool.
Those statements contradict each other to 100%!

What is man, that he should be clean?
And he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?
Job 15:14

How then can man be justified with God?
Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Job 25:4

The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3

As you can see, babies are not innocent, simply because of their age.
So if you don't walk contrary to scripture, just what are the above verses saying then?
That babies are innocent?

NOBODY is clean/righteous until washed clean by Jesus blood, NOT ONE!

Yes, the babies' parents are assured of heaven for their children should they die.

Only GOD could give such an assurance, it's not even yours to give!
Just who do you think you are?

No, I do not seek the praise of any man. No, I am not going to hell.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
And in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21-23

You don't do the will of the Father since you break the commandents, thus you're not going to Heaven, but hell.
And JESUS said this, not me, so if you have a problem with it you simple woman, then I suggest you try taking it up with Him!

Have you ever set foot inside the doors of a real church? Have you been baptized with water and the Holy Spirit by a real ordained minister, priest, deacon or bishop? If not, then you are missing out on the good stuff.

Yeah, I have.
And I've been baptized by a Pastor who was made a Pastor by the grace of Jesus, and not the grace of men!
And I had a true baptizm too: Complete immersion, as they did it in the Bible, and not some vain & foolish water sprinkling that isn't even a baptizm!

Your church is not a real church either, it's of satan and the priesthood work for themselves instead of God.
And you do all your "works" in front of men, so they can be clearly seen, so you may receive their praise.
Just as you like to pray standing up publically in "church", so everyone can see how "righteous" you are.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

Says you and them. But not scripture.
Find me a SINGLE verse that supports baptizing babies.
Or that even says babies are innocent.

Jesus says that we are to be as CHILDREN, not as babies.
He said this because the faith of a faithful child is pure and absolute:
Usually more so than an adult.

Babies however are selfish, sinful, and stupid. Shapen in iniquity and born in sin. (Psalm 51:5)

That is a complete oxymormon, fool.
Those statements contradict each other to 100%!

What is man, that he should be clean?
And he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?
Job 15:14

How then can man be justified with God?
Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Job 25:4

The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3

As you can see, babies are not innocent, simply because of their age.
So if you don't walk contrary to scripture, just what are the above verses saying then?
That babies are innocent?

NOBODY is clean/righteous until washed clean by Jesus blood, NOT ONE!


Only GOD could give such an assurance, it's not even yours to give!
Just who do you think you are?


Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
And in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21-23

You don't do the will of the Father since you break the commandents, thus you're not going to Heaven, but hell.
And JESUS said this, not me, so if you have a problem with it you simple woman, then I suggest you try taking it up with Him!


Yeah, I have (set foot in a real church)

And I've been baptized by a Pastor who was made a Pastor by the grace of Jesus, and not the grace of men!
And I had a true baptizm too: Complete immersion, as they did it in the Bible, and not some vain & foolish water sprinkling that isn't even a baptizm!

Your church is not a real church either, it's of satan and the priesthood work for themselves instead of God.
And you do all your "works" in front of men, so they can be clearly seen, so you may receive their praise.
Just as you like to pray standing up publically in "church", so everyone can see how "righteous" you are.

Well, Mr. Salvation, we just don't agree on any of it.

We believe humankind is 'born in sin' metaphorically because of the fall of Adam and Eve, who were also metaphorical persons.

We believe babies are innocent because they can't think or choose yet, so baptism to mark them as Jesus' own is sufficient until the age of reason.

We believe the scripture of the Bible is 'sacred story' or 'poetic metaphor' and was written by men, inspired by the Holy Spirit, and contains everything necessary for salvation.

I posted earlier that I do not take the Bible literally, but as a collection of stories written over generations by many different authors.

We don't believe in a literal hell, that too is metaphor; hell is really a metaphor to define that place in the hearts of those who have rejected God and are miserable and in need of personal faith and without hope.

In fact, we believe the sacred story of the Bible is true -- but in the human heart, and therefore true on the inside.

The physical world and universe are natural, and came into being by natural processes -- and there is nobody out there, God is not out there, that's the outside, God is on the inside.

Of course you won't agree with any of what I've said here, so again I'm expecting to get slammed

God bless you, whatever you believe

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Well, Mr. Salvation, we just don't agree on any of it.

We believe humankind is 'born in sin' metaphorically because of the fall of Adam and Eve, who were also metaphorical persons.

A metaphor for what? Seriously, what does humankind being born in sin symbolise? And what makes you think Adam and Eve were metaphorical? I agree there's a lot of allegory in the Bible, but when it occurs it's always clearly marked out as being a parable. Show me chapter and verse to support your claim that "The entire book of Genesis is all a big metaphor lol."

We believe babies are innocent because they can't think or choose yet, so baptism to mark them as Jesus' own is sufficient until the age of reason.

If they're innocent, and they don't have any sins, then what's the point of baptising them? Wouldn't it make sense to wait until they've got some sins to wash away first?

We don't believe in a literal hell, that too is metaphor; hell is really a metaphor to define that place in the hearts of those who have rejected God and are miserable and in need of personal faith and without hope.

So what do you think happens to dead sinners? Do you believe that Heaven is a metaphor?

The physical world and universe are natural, and came into being by natural processes -- and there is nobody out there, God is not out there, that's the outside, God is on the inside.

God is not out there? What kind of an atheist blasphemer are you? According to you, God only exists as a voice in our heads.

God bless you, whatever you believe

And may God bless you with the wisdom to realise that your beliefs are nothing more than a blasphemous collection of mumbo-jumbo and piffle, and move you to repent of your Anglican't sins!

[Sister Noddy]

I believe in evolution;

all the way from the natural beginnings of the universe; from simple to complex; that after the Big Bang the universe was small but rapidly inflating, that it was a quark fog;

that quarks arranged themselves into atomic nuclei, that atoms stuck together to make molecules; then the formation of the light elements; that ultimately the matter of the universe arranged itself into galaxies; then the supernovae of giant hot first-generation stars, and the formation of the heavy elements;

that our own solar system (in this galaxy) is made of supernovae residue and heavy elements, and is about four and one half billion years old;

and that organic matter, the DNA molecule, and the millions of species of lifeforms we have on this planet today, including humans, were the natural byproduct of all previous processes.

Yes, God may very well have started the entire universe and its processes. The fact is, no one knows.

We don't know if heaven or hell exist. We can believe the Bible literally or as metaphor, but the fact is, we don't know. Belief and fact are not the same thing.

Our sciences, philosophies and religions may never find all the answers.

Because intelligence happens to strive for inquiry (because we want to know things) we have free choice. The freedom to choose also includes the possibility of choices not good for us in the long term. This is where the ideas of good and evil -- and sin -- came from.

This is free will. It came from natural selection; which God himself may or may not have intended from the beginning.

We don't know. The holy scriptures are a sacred guide to help us along, inspired by the Holy Spirit, written by men, and containing all needed for salvation.

Some definitions.

Agnosticism: without sufficient knowledge or interest to chose whether or not to believe in God

Atheism: without belief in God

Anti-theism: against belief in God (religion may be harmful to society)

Humanism: belief in the human mind and heart, human choice, human reason and logic, and free inquiry

I'm a humanist who loves God and practices Christianity in the Anglican tradition because I think it is the most beautiful and reasonable of all the Christian denominations.