[C. S. Darrow, Esq.]

Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold

The term "comatose" comes up in our work with the terminally ill. Specifically, the question is, "When the patient is not responding and we ask him to accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior, do we take that as a yes or no?"

Others may disagree, but my rule is that the patient has the right of refusal. In fact, he/she has the duty to refuse. Thus, when he/she does not refuse the overture to accept Jesus, we have another soul saved.

Cranky family members may complain when we tell them their loved one has left their clan of atheists, but we make the rules.

Mr. Hold, you bring up a fascinating and timely point. A person in a coma is not necessarily unaware of their surroundings or unconscious. From a medical standpoint, it's actually far more likely that they can hear when spoken to than that they cannot. That said, as long as a person is informed that their soul is being saved and placed in Jesus' loving arms, no affirmation is required. In my own experiences with patients who are comatose, their tacit approval moments before they expire will hold up in Heavenly court. Indeed it is that expiration that signifies such approval as 'hanging on' indicates resistance. I have yet to encounter resistance and am convinced that every soul thus placed in our Dear Savior's warm embrace now lives eternally in the bliss our Heavenly Father bestows upon even the most wretched of souls that supplicate themselves to Him in this way.

[MitzaLizalor]

Jesus knew the difference between demon possession and a coma and we know that comatose persons occupied by demons would be revived if effective prayer were offered (by a Christian, obviously; Hindu mutterings have the reverse effect) or if oil were applied by an Elder. For someone in a legitimate coma the absence of a response denying Christ or otherwise rejecting Salvation—a spasm perhaps—should suffice.

Luke 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Jesus explained how absence of opposition to the wonderful work He launched—continued today by Christians in the power of The Holy Ghost—constitutes support for it. Redemption from the revolting circumstances of our birth, so vile in God's eyes, is the pivotal outcome in Christian lives just as Christ is the foundation stone of Christian faith. To oppose that work is beneath contempt, so far beneath as to deserve torture, but not it is the hallmark of acceptance.

Personal opinion doesn't come into it.
. .Jesus said it.
. .. .I accept it.
. .. .. .That settles it.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Landover and Freehold have been at the cutting edge of Death Bed Conversions. To say this has significantly increased the number of souls saved would be an understatement. We have people all around the areas patrolling hospitals. We slip money to nurses for information about patients that are not going to make it. Then with considerable stealth we move in and save for eternity the very ill and failing.

It was refreshing to learn others work at the important mission as well. Cristopher Hitchens was unconscious when a nurse saved him. Below is the story of a prominent family, the Baldwins, where a son moved in to convert his mother shortly before she died:

Stephen Baldwin celebrates baptizing his mother before her death | Entertainment News (christianpost.com)

[handmaiden]

It is all well and good to help ailing souls to avoid Hell. But people who shuffle off immediately post-conversion cannot contribute tithes to our church community. . . Or can they?

[Prayer Warrior]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

It is all well and good to help ailing souls to avoid Hell. But people who shuffle off immediately post-conversion cannot contribute tithes to our church community. . . Or can they?

Inheritance! We just have to convince them that giving their kids money will just make them lazy and reduce their motivation to work. That money should go to the church instead.


Another good tactic is to mention that they shouldn't be spending that money on end of life medical care for themselves. The sooner they pass away the sooner they get to enjoy Heaven. It's a win-win.


It actually could be a good return on investment in terms of time to money ratio. A big lump sum immediately rather than getting out 10% over years.


Some of these old dying people have a lot of property and money left over.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Prayer Warrior

Inheritance! We just have to convince them that giving their kids money will just make them lazy and reduce their motivation to work. That money should go to the church instead.

You are of course right, Brother. But Sister Handmaiden makes an excellent point here. The very nature of the deathbed generally means that people are in no condition to remember the login to their bank accounts, let alone change their testamentary instructions.

We need to approach them much, much sooner - perhaps in the home for the terminally bewildered or, in extremis as the Roman heretics say, in the ambulance or the emergency room.

[WWJDnow]

It just struck me that we can increase the number of deathbed conversions either by increasing our missionary efforts or by increasing the number of people dying. It's not a fully formed plan, just a thought.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey

You are of course right, Brother. But Sister Handmaiden makes an excellent point here. The very nature of the deathbed generally means that people are in no condition to remember the login to their bank accounts, let alone change their testamentary instructions.
We need to approach them much, much sooner - perhaps in the home for the terminally bewildered or, in extremis as the Roman heretics say, in the ambulance or the emergency room.

Receiving a tithe from those on the death bed is a problem. If they are of "full mind" they might resist both the conversion and the turning over of their money.

I've been studying the probate process and believe there is an opening for us there. Even if there is a will, all debts to others are to be paid before heirs receive their money. My thinking is we at Landover Baptist could submit a huge bill for our services. What could be more valuable to the deceased than a reservation in heaven? We would need to keep a log for all the time we spent praying and telling the comatose about Jesus. New York Lawyers charge a few thousand dollars an hour. Why not us?

[Johny Joe Hold]

So much great information comes to a Mayor from whispers. I had just finished giving my usual Welcome to Freehold remarks to a group visiting Freehold when a local woman whispered to me, "Do you know what is written in 'End of Life Instructions? It's usually 'Do not necessitate.' This is a sin. We need to get these changed."

She quickly explained we in Landover Baptist cannot be opposed to ending babies lives through abortion if we are not also opposed to ending lives in the hospital by failing to resuscitate drooling old people. Then she disappeared.

You could have blown me over with a feather. I had not thought of that. I got on the phone with the volunteers who patrol our local hospitals looking for the close to death patients who need a come to Jesus conversion before they die. I told them to quietly look around rooms of the terminally ill to see if their "End of Life Instructions" are laying around. I advised they should always have a permanent ink Shrapie with them. If the see the words "Do not resuscitate" they must black them out.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold

So much great information comes to a Mayor from whispers. I had just finished giving my usual Welcome to Freehold remarks to a group visiting Freehold when a local woman whispered to me, "Do you know what is written in 'End of Life Instructions? It's usually 'Do not necessitate.' This is a sin. We need to get these changed."

She quickly explained we in Landover Baptist cannot be opposed to ending babies lives through abortion if we are not also opposed to ending lives in the hospital by failing to resuscitate drooling old people. Then she disappeared.

You could have blown me over with a feather. I had not thought of that. I got on the phone with the volunteers who patrol our local hospitals looking for the close to death patients who need a come to Jesus conversion before they die. I told them to quietly look around rooms of the terminally ill to see if their "End of Life Instructions" are laying around. I advised they should always have a permanent ink Shrapie with them. If the see the words "Do not resuscitate" they must black them out.

Should our Church fight for the life of all of the terminally ill? Even the ones who are known for being Democrats?
I mean, every vote counts.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold

There are a couple of ideas I've been working.

I have two questions. Mormons pray for people (everyone they can determine to have existed) in their genealogies. Do they also pray for people who are still alive? Satanic prayer in cases where Christ had not yet been accepted would not encounter the repulsive field of The Gospel.

Would there need to be additional prayers uttered in those cases?

My second question was only covered briefly in OP. There is considerable use of pain medication in this environment, some of which produces hallucinations. Quite apart from any sense of wellbeing induced. Should this be discontinued before The Good News is presented? God has explained about the degree of suffering awaiting the unredeemed—it is perpetual and involves tooth gnashing, wailing, smoke, torment, etc.—so perhaps He is introducing the theme for a more understandable Salvation message?

Does the medication thwart God's strategy in this respect?

Thank you.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

There is considerable use of pain medication in this environment, some of which produces hallucinations. Quite apart from any sense of wellbeing induced. Should this be discontinued before The Good News is presented? God has explained about the degree of suffering awaiting the unredeemed—it is perpetual and involves tooth gnashing, wailing, smoke, torment, etc.—so perhaps He is introducing the theme for a more understandable Salvation message?

I'm a results oriented person, Sister Mitza. If a patient says yes to Jesus, or does not react to anything indicating a yes, it is job well done.

[MitzaLizalor]

I see. It would be crucial how one phrased Christ's invitation, then. Have there been many volunteers so far?

[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

I see. It would be crucial how one phrased Christ's invitation, then. Have there been many volunteers so far?

We have been fully staffed for several years. So many souls saved for heaven I have lost count. (And many angry atheist relatives who did not want us there.)

I don't have to tell you one of most famous saves was Christopher Hitchens. He was not one of our saves but was saved by an underground warrior like us in his last hours when the family was not present.

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Johny Joe Hold

We have been fully staffed for several years. So many souls saved for heaven I have lost count. (And many angry atheist relatives who did not want us there.)

Several years ago while driving to the taxidermist I came across a stirring scene on the side of the highway, an older man having a heart attack while his wife and adult children looked on in horror. The paramedics had not yet arrived and the son was attempting CPR. I knew I was right where God wanted me. I sprang into action, disabling the younger man with a hardcover Bible to the head. Then I moved in, gathered the dying man in my arms and ministered to him about Jesus, resisting all attempts of his wife and daughter to pull me away. He was trying to reach out to them (and away from God) so I blocked them from view with my body and urged him to accept Christ as his savior. His soul left his body right then and there, and I'm confident he entered the gates of Heaven right as the ambulance was pulling up.


I shudder to think what would have happened if I hadn't been there. To God goes the glory.