[handmaiden]

Dear Landover Pastors:

You may remember some of my story as told to you when I first was blessed by discovering this most Holy Forum. To recap the tale: I had accepted the Lord as my Personal Savior when I was in high school. Some years later, I entered into a Christian marriage with a man whom I believed to be in perfect concordance with God's Will as expressed in the KJV Bible. He even had a KJV--the Scofield edition.

During the years of our marriage we had some difficulties. He expected me to officially join his church and I resisted. Perhaps as a result of this hard-heartedness, Satan gained a toehold into my mind. I began reading science books and looking into "feminist spirituality" as an alternative to Christianity. (Like feminists can have ANY spiritual insights--being so removed from God as to be both women and man-haters.)

As you know, my pride in my intellectual abilities led to a divorce. I attended a woman's college and just barely came out still heterosexual.

My former husband remarried. I have had two relationships since the divorce.

Praise be to God, He had not given up on me and in May of this year of Our Lord, two thousand and ten, not to mention the two hundred and thirty-fourth year of our independance, I was led through the miracle of God's Internet to the forum here at LBC.

Now, I understand that the reason that I was so uncomfortable in my husband's church is that they were not as dedicated to the Lord's Word as they might have been. They seem to have no understanding or appreciation of God's special provision for the United States of America. They do not allow American flags in their meeting halls and some of them do not even vote. They SAY that this is because God grants earthly authority to human governments and if they were to vote the wrong way and a different candidate won, they would have voted against God.

Sure, this sounds like obediance, but I think it denotes a lack of faith and discernment-- as if God would not guide them in choosing the right person!

Anyway, I have been praying about this and I need to set this concern before you. Is it right in God's Eyes for me to marry again? There have been different opinions expressed on the issue of divorce and remarriage and I want to be good to go (to heaven) with God.

If He does not wish for me to become a wife again, I am prepared to live my life alone. However, with the recent wedding of James and Phebe, I have found myself longing for companionship.

Brothers, I know that this issue is so very unimportant compared to masculine matters such as Brother Billy Bob's recent bereavement and Brother Dewitt's legal laments, so I am willing to wait upon your wisdom.

Feel free to ask me any questions or request further details.

Perhaps it is that I have no such honored purpose as to be the wife of a True Christian man.

Tomorrow is the Lord's Day. I will spend it in prayer. When you gentlemen have finished with ministering to the flock at LBC, please take a moment to consult on my concern.

Patiently Yours,

Handmaiden

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

I may not be a pastor, but as a married woman and the Ladies of Landover Senior Vice President, perhaps I could help.

It largely depends on if your husband or "husband" was TRULY a Christian. If so, then you are out of luck and can not remarry.

As I wrote here...

Now it will be a while before a woman who marries but turns out not to be a virgin can be put on death row beside the murderers she is AS EVIL AS (Deuteronomy 21:13-21), but the Bible DOES PERMIT divorce.

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

It appears here that originally it was okay to remarry...

Deuteronomy 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

There is more after this about what to do if the new husband also wants to send her out of his house, but it's IRRELEVANT NOW because MOSES got a little out of hand and gave BAD ADVICE, but it came from a good place because he was only thinking of the HARDNESS OF THE SINNERS' HEARTS!

Matthew 19:7-9 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So unless the woman is a SLATTERN who spreads her legs for a man who isn't her husband, you can NO LONGER divorce and remarry! THIS MUST BE MADE INTO LAW SO WE CAN PROTECT THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY!

Now the fact that he's "re-married" makes me doubt he was ever really a Christian in the first place. If this is true, then you were never TRULY married and so you just have to repent the fornication you did with that man.

[Benedict A. Davis]

As a relative newcomer to our fellowship (and not a Pastor) I am not well versed on your past but from what I have read here today I would tend to agree with Sister MM. If your ex divorced you for anything but infidelity he has not acted as a True Christian should so one must tend to believe he was not acting as one during your faux marriage. My one question to you would be, will there be problems if and when your new spouse tells you which way you should vote in coming elections?

[James Dewitt]

Sister Handmaiden, what false church did the two of you attend? Was it a Catlik church? If it was not a marriage in a True Christian church, it does not count! I am not a Pastor, but I see no reason that you should not be able to find a good Christian man and become his wife.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

As a True Christian™ pastor, and having been married five times, I am one of the world's foremost experts on this subject. No, it is not okay to get remarried. Sister Mary Maria posted some excellent Scripture explaining divorce. Jesus pretty much spells it out for us: Divorce is forbidden, except in the case of cheating spouses.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Since you did not divorce based on adultery, you cannot get married again. If you were to marry again, that would be tantamount to adultery. And we know where vile adulterers go...

1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

So, I'm sad to have to tell you that you will have to live out your days a spinster. I recommend taking only cold showers, staying away from certain vegetables like cucumbers, bananas, and squash, watching only quality Christian television (like my show), and taking up an appropriate hobby like knitting to distract your mind from improper and sexual thoughts.

The problem is that a woman of your age is often in the prime sexual period of her life. Your loins must be on fire and your womanhood thirsts to be quenched. You probably spend many a restless, sleepless night, thinking of a man next to you, pleasuring you, working your body like a Parisian artist on canvas, entering into the most intimate places of your body and sharing a night of intense passion until the dawn rises.

So, don't think about things like that.

[landoverlover]

I'm no jew lawyer, but this seems to fall into the category of "better to ask for forgiveness than permission." If someone who commits premeditated serial murder can be forgiven, why not someone who remarries? God promises to forgive all sinners except for those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

[Levi Jones]

Since you are not widowed, no. You are not ever permitted to remarry as long as your husband lives.

Only if you are under sixty and widowed, you would be required to remarry. In no other circumstances would it be permissible (1 Timothy 5). Otherwise, you would be a fornicator.

Does your ex hunt, per chance?

[Seth Campbell]

I would take a good long look at your old church.

Was it a True Christian™ Church? Was your baptism a real baptism?

I'm disturbed that your husband took his marriage vows so lightly.

But I'm not a pastor, so I can't give you the official word.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Sister Handmaiden,

Quite the conundrum indeed and as you are a very lovely woman, in mind, body and spirit. I can appreciate that God loves you and that as such, if a suitable mate comes your way, then you should jump at the opportunity.

You said your now ex-husband has re-married. I do appreciate the compassionate and loving Rev. Jim has advised you of scripture that pretty much makes you an old maid from here on in, however I was wondering, do you have any proof that your ex-husband was having "thoughts"(lustful) about other women when you were married to him? I ask as if that was the case, then you could state that at least part of the reason for the divorce was adultery on HIS part.

I was watching a captivating video the other day with the very wise Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort and they spoke of specific verses where the mind of lustful thoughts IS adultery! They also spoke of other types of lewd immorality which could also have played part in the downfall of your marriage.

I have listed them below. There could well be a viable case for you to remarry with your goodstanding in tact.

Matthew 5:27-30 | 1 Peter 2:11 | Romans 8:13 | Romans 6:12 | 1 Corinthians 6:13 | Galatians 5:17 | Philippians 4:8 | 2 Timothy 2:22 | Psalm 101:2,3 | Proverbs 6:25-29 | Proverbs 5:18-20 | Proverbs 8:13 | Job 31:1-4 | Matthew 5:8 | Romans 8:6 | 1 Corinthians 6:9 | 1 Corinthians 6:18-19 | 2 Corinthians 10:5, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 | James 1:15; 4:3 | 1 John 2:16

These verses may well be a good read over a nice cup of tea.

I do hope that helped somewhat.

YIC,

Phebe.

[handmaiden]

Thanks to my brothers in Christ for pondering my concerns.

So, if I am to understand, I am not permitted to marry again even though my former husband did marry with the blessing of his church.

If I cannot remarry for fear of becoming an adulteress, should my ex take me back? Does that mean that he will have to put aside his current wife? And is he committing adultery with her?

If he is committing adultery with her, then can I divorce him and remarry? And what of his first wife? He married her in the Catholic Church and divorced her around the time he joined his church. He told me that she had fooled around on him. This was the justification for his right to remarry in his church.

It seems strange to me that I am, in essence, still married because I didn't committ adultery and would be guilty of adultery now if I remarried. Meanwhile, he divorced me for reasons other than adultery and is now married to someone else with whom he is not committing adultery.

But if he divorced her now so that he could take me back, since I didn't committ adultery, he would be committing adultery if she didn't committ adultery. Except, if she is with a man who is married to another woman in God's eyes, is she committing adultery?

Perhaps more prayer would help? At least with the headache?

Pleadingly Yours,

Handmaiden

[James Dewitt]

Sister, did your ex-husband cheat on you or perhaps have lustful thoughts about other females?

[WWJDnow]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

I entered into a Christian marriage with a man whom I believed to be in perfect concordance with God's Will as expressed in the KJV Bible. He even had a KJV--the Scofield edition.

That's the problem right there. You were involved with a man who read a Satan-inspired translation of the Bible, and that has ruined the rest of your life. Luckily, you have found your way to Jesus and the 1611 version of the King James Bible, God's Only True Bible®, so you will at least spend an eternity with Jesus after you die.

He expected me to officially join his church and I resisted.

That was the Holy Ghost guiding you.

I began reading science books and looking into "feminist spirituality" as an alternative to Christianity.

Then Satan took over again.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

As a True Christian™ pastor, and having been married five times, I am one of the world's foremost experts on this subject. No, it is not okay to get remarried. Sister Mary Maria posted some excellent Scripture explaining divorce. Jesus pretty much spells it out for us: Divorce is forbidden, except in the case of cheating spouses.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Since you did not divorce based on adultery, you cannot get married again. If you were to marry again, that would be tantamount to adultery. And we know where vile adulterers go....

I think maybe there is a way out of this dilemma. Luckily, after you were married but before Jesus forgave your sins and you were reborn in Christ as a True Christian™, you did fornicate. All you need to do is to get your ex husband to spiritually divorce you for your fornication, and then you will be free to remarry.

[Zettania]

I think I should tell you guys this.
No you're not allowed to remarry because neither one of you are dead.
During the marriage you said yes to the "To The Do You Part" part so in the eyes of the lord you're still married, in fact everyone who has had a divorce has sinned and if you're remarried and slept with an other woman then that adultery so that's a double sin or as we like to call it "A all paid trip to hell"

[Benedict A. Davis]

Originally Posted by Zettania

I think I should tell you guys this.
No you're not allowed to remarry because neither one of you are dead.
During the marriage you said yes to the "To The Do You Part" part so in the eyes of the lord you're still married, in fact everyone who has had a divorce has sinned and if you're remarried and slept with an other woman then that adultery so that's a double sin or as we like to call it "A all paid trip to hell"

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[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Zettania

I think I should tell you guys this.
No you're not allowed to remarry because neither one of you are dead.
During the marriage you said yes to the "To The Do You Part" part so in the eyes of the lord you're still married, in fact everyone who has had a divorce has sinned and if you're remarried and slept with an other woman then that adultery so that's a double sin or as we like to call it "A all paid trip to hell"

Do you have Scripture to back this up? Where in the Bible does it say that the Lord commands us to follow wedding vows? Those are just mindless pomp and circumstance that incompatible couples say at the ceremony to give the illusion that there's something more to the relationship than an unintended pregnancy.

[Zettania]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Do you have Scripture to back this up? Where in the Bible does it say that the Lord commands us to follow wedding vows? Those are just mindless pomp and circumstance that incompatible couples say at the ceremony to give the illusion that there's something more to the relationship than an unintended pregnancy.

Then if a woman is raped can she divorce her rapist of they get married.

[Zettania]

Originally Posted by Zettania

Then if a woman is raped can she divorce her rapist of they get married.

Sorry, type error
Then if a woman is raped can she divorce her rapist "after" they get married.

[Benedict A. Davis]

Originally Posted by Zettania

Sorry, type error
Then if a woman is raped can she divorce her rapist "after" they get married.

No, she can not and her rapist is never allowed to divorce her either
as written here.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)


28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

[Zettania]

Originally Posted by Benedict A. Davis

No, she can not and her rapist is never allowed to divorce her either
as written here.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)


28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Then what if she isn't a virgin or the rapist doesn't give the father fifty shekels of silver?

[Nobar King]

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