[Son of John]

Fair enough. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Shimei]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

Adam and Eve were the special, chosen people created in Eden. The first Jews.

Jews hadn't come through until later generations because of Adam's sin, although Adam is, as you have shared Rev. M. Rodimer "chosen." Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Abraham recognized as the first Jew being referred to as "Hebrew?" The Covenant at Mount Sinai had not yet taken place, so there wasn't yet a Jewish People. Besides being anyone who descends from Abraham and/or following his teaching, "Jews" as by definition are also from Judah, the twelve sons of Jacob, the twelve tribes of Israel.

[Matthew Hopkins]

Originally Posted by Shimei

Jews hadn't come through until later generations because of Adam's sin, although Adam is, as you have shared Rev. M. Rodimer "chosen." Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Abraham recognized as the first Jew being referred to as "Hebrew?" The Covenant at Mount Sinai had not yet taken place, so there wasn't yet a Jewish People. Besides being anyone who descends from Abraham and/or following his teaching, "Jews" as by definition are also from Judah, the twelve sons of Jacob, the twelve tribes of Israel.

So by your argument, Abraham wasn't Jewish, because he was descended from Adam.



YBIC

[Shimei]

Originally Posted by Matthew Hopkins

So by your argument, Abraham wasn't Jewish, because he was descended from Adam.



YBIC

Actually, it is the mother's side I would look towards. Descendants from a Jewish mother are Jews, and are obligated in the Jewish commandments of the Torah. Likewise anyone born to a Gentile mother are Gentiles (one of the Children of Noah), and are obligated in the Noahide commandments of the Torah. At Mount Sinai, the approx. 3 million assembled Israelites entered into a Divine Covenant with God and became the Jewish People, and they received the Torah Law from God through Moses.

This was said to me by a Rabbi, and something I wrote down years ago. Correct me if wrong, I wouldn't be able to expound more on this without consulting him, was this information he shared wrong?

[Matthew Hopkins]

Originally Posted by Shimei

Actually, it is the mother's side I would look towards. Descendants from a Jewish mother are Jews, and are obligated in the Jewish commandments of the Torah. Likewise anyone born to a Gentile mother are Gentiles (one of the Children of Noah), and are obligated in the Noahide commandments of the Torah. At Mount Sinai, the approx. 3 million assembled Israelites entered into a Divine Covenant with God and became the Jewish People, and they received the Torah Law from God through Moses.

This was said to me by a Rabbi, and something I wrote down years ago. Correct me if wrong, I wouldn't be able to expound more on this without consulting him, was this information he shared wrong?

So you need to establish Abraham's mother's Jewish credentials in order to prove Abraham's Judaism? 'Oy gevalt', as they say.

For some reason I'm wondering which came first, the kosher chicken or the egg in salt water?

Well, pilgrim, off you go to that rabbi and fetch me the relevant ketubah. Chop chop. And I need one for Abraham's maternal grandmother, and her mother, and her mother, and her mother, etc.

Or alternatively, just accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

Did you know that rabbis are required by Jewish law to have sexual intercourse on the sabbath? That's the way Jewish priests spend their 'holy' day. That sums up Jewishism, to me. It's full of holes: holes for the rabbi to fill in, through holes in the sheet, to holes in the bagels. It all just seems to go on forever.

YBIC

[Shimei]

Originally Posted by Matthew Hopkins

So you need to establish Abraham's mother's Jewish credentials in order to prove Abraham's Judaism? 'Oy gevalt', as they say.

For some reason I'm wondering which came first, the kosher chicken or the egg in salt water?

Well, pilgrim, off you go to that rabbi and fetch me the relevant ketubah. Chop chop. And I need one for Abraham's maternal grandmother, and her mother, and her mother, and her mother, etc.

Or alternatively, just accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

YBIC

I'd much rather just accept Jesus Christ as my savior. Have a great evening everyone!

[Matthew Hopkins]

Originally Posted by Shimei

I'd much rather just accept Jesus Christ as my savior. Have a great evening everyone!

That's good, young Mrs Shampoo. Now kneel and get ready to receive Him! I guarantee that you will never have a better evening than this.

YBIC

[Kewlcat]

Sorry to dredge up such an old thread, but I'm a bit confused. If God made light on the first day (genesis 1:3-5) but only made the sun and stars on the fourth day (genesis 1:14-16) how were the days and night separated before, as in gen 1:14 it says that the stars were what separated the days and night, but He made day and night separate on the first day?

Also, where did the light come from for the first three days, if not from the sun?

Sorry for all the questions, it could just be my woman's brain acting up again.

Thank you
Kat

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Kewlcat

Sorry to dredge up such an old thread, but I'm a bit confused. If God made light on the first day (genesis 1:3-5) but only made the sun and stars on the fourth day (genesis 1:14-16) how were the days and night separated before, as in gen 1:14 it says that the stars were what separated the days and night, but He made day and night separate on the first day?

Also, where did the light come from for the first three days, if not from the sun?

Sorry for all the questions, it could just be my woman's brain acting up again.

Thank you
Kat

It's not your "woman's brain" acting up, dear. It's your lack of faith. You see, if the Holy Word of God reports that light was made prior to those instruments of light (sun and moon and stars), then either you believe it or you don't. If you don't believe the Word of God to be accurate, then you risk not believing such important things such as talking serpents (Genesis 3:1), or flaming swords that protects the Tree of Life against prideful, sinful man (Genesis 3:22), in a perfect garden that miraculously evades Google maps (Genesis 3:24). If you don't believe the Lord's Word to be Trustworthy, why would you believe in Heaven, the window of which Noah himself saw (Genesis 7:11)? If you think the Lord can be mistaken about such simple things like optical physics, then you would hoave no reason to be assured that all animals fear man, even the shark or bear who doesn't always remember this (Genesis 9:2).

But it's not just the facts themselves you will understand to be fibs and fabrications, the moral lessons are likely to be ignored. Why, if you cannot trust the Lord to say what He means and mean what He says, then how would you ever know that the morally acceptable thing to do when confronted with hosting angels who are *this close* to being anally bombarded by a gang of insatiable gays is to offer virgin daughters instead (Genesis 19:8; 2 Peter 2:7-8)? From what other source else can you know the relationship between obedience and salt (Genesis 19:26)?

I implore you to search your heart, deeply, find the root sin that blinds you to the Truth, confess it, and truly accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior in order to avoid eternal damnation (Romans 10:9), as well as lifelong ignorance and moral retardation (Proverbs 9:10). If you'd like to know more about these verses, I would suggest reading THIS.

[Kewlcat]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

It's not your "woman's brain" acting up, dear. It's your lack of faith. You see, if the Holy Word of God reports that light was made prior to those instruments of light (sun and moon and stars), then either you believe it or you don't. If you don't believe the Word of God to be accurate, then you risk not believing such important things such as talking serpents (Genesis 3:1), or flaming swords that protects the Tree of Life against prideful, sinful man (Genesis 3:22), in a perfect garden that miraculously evades Google maps (Genesis 3:24). If you don't believe the Lord's Word to be Trustworthy, why would you believe in Heaven, the window of which Noah himself saw (Genesis 7:11)? If you think the Lord can be mistaken about such simple things like optical physics, then you would hoave no reason to be assured that all animals fear man, even the shark or bear who doesn't always remember this (Genesis 9:2).

Of course, I'm afraid that it may just be my past as an atheist coming up again, to try and prevent me from becoming a true Christian. The evil demons, so to speak, of my past that wish me not to enter heaven.

I implore you to search your heart, deeply, find the root sin that blinds you to the Truth, confess it, and truly accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior in order to avoid eternal damnation (Romans 10:9), as well as lifelong ignorance and moral retardation (Proverbs 9:10).

Do you know a way I could help force the demons to leave from me, so that I might one day become a true Christian, instead of forever being damned to hell?


I would just like to say, that I apologise to all true Christian woman out there, for thinking that it might be my female brain that was causing me to doubt Jesus and God, when you have no doubts on the matter. It is my sin alone, and I beg for your forgiveness for my disgraceful misinterpretation.

[Mother Of Seven]

Q. What is light?
A. God is light. 1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
The Bible could have said that on the first day, God made good (light) and God made evil (darkness). In a way He did, but He called them light and dark.
I hope that explains it

[Kewlcat]

Originally Posted by Mother Of Seven

Q. What is light?
A. God is light. 1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
The Bible could have said that on the first day, God made good (light) and God made evil (darkness). In a way He did, but He called them light and dark.
I hope that explains it

Yea that explains it really well! Thank you so much :-)

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Kewlcat

Of course, I'm afraid that it may just be my past as an atheist coming up again, to try and prevent me from becoming a true Christian. The evil demons, so to speak, of my past that wish me not to enter heaven.

If you are still under the curse of the flesh, then you have not Jesus in your heart. Once you have accepted Jesus wholly and unconditionally, temptations of the flesh will no longer entice you (1st John 5:18).

Originally Posted by Kewlcat

Do you know a way I could help force the demons to leave from me, so that I might one day become a true Christian, instead of forever being damned to hell?

If your wish is to avoid Hell, then your love for Jesus is mercenary, and not in conformity with the LORD's command to love Him with all your heart, soul, and might (Deuteronomy 6:5). Instead, you would be loving Him with your intellect, and nowhere in the Holy Bible have I read the LORD commanding one to rely on his intellect. Why, as a matter of fact, I'm aware only of those times when the Holy Bible refers to the danger of using a man's intellect (Proverbs 28:26; Psalm 53:1; Proverbs 12:15; Proverbs 13:20; Proverbs 14:9; Proverbs 18:2; Romans 1:20-22; Ecclesiastes 7:4-6; 1 Corinthians 1:18-25, 27; 1 Corinthians 2:14-15; 1 John 2:16; and etc.).

The appropriate response is to love the Lord Jesus Christ not for what He can help you avoid, but for the wonderful gift He gave to those to whom it pleases Him to give - the gift of Salvation (Romans 8:29-31). This is a free gift available to those who respond appropriately (John 14:15). So long as you fear Hell, your heart isn't in the right place (loving Him). Only when you are sincerely grateful that the Lord has taken your place to pay the debt that the Lord requires, when the Lord has covered you in His Precious Blood will He forget your sins and see the face of Jesus rather than Kewlcat (Isaiah 43:25). Then He will love you and make you righteous and your name will be written in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:1).

You might try a prayer like this, dear:

Dear Heavenly Father, I am unworthy to be called your child. Let me be your servant and do your bidding. Use me as your instrument. I desire nothing more than to be your tool. Take my mind, take my heart, take my will, and shape it into yours. I pray you conform my will to yours, lest I allow a single thought of prideful rebellion or autonomy seep through. Let me be a mere reflection of your conditional affection to the rest of the world. Take my life, you own me anyway. I am nothing, so take and do with me what you will. On my own, I am naught but disgusting, fermenting, pile of sinful flesh. You are right to think of me as nothing more than a heaping pile of stench-filled menstrual rags sitting out in the hot desert sun. Use me to your glory, Jesus, and if that glory includes sending me to Hell where I will suffer for an eternity, then yet shall I praise You in the very depths of Hell. I am the worst person in the world, and I bow to your Greatness, your Might, your Will. I love you unconditionally, and will be your slave, mind and body, without reservation.

Originally Posted by Kewlcat

I would just like to say, that I apologise to all true Christian woman out there, for thinking that it might be my female brain that was causing me to doubt Jesus and God, when you have no doubts on the matter. It is my sin alone, and I beg for your forgiveness for my disgraceful misinterpretation.

Thank you, and I forgive you. Now please don't do it again. We are a church community that loves the Lord Jesus Christ unconditionally and without reservation. If you have an opinion, kindly provide where in the Holy Bible, chapter and verse, you see the LORD speak of it first.

[The Nephilimiest]

I'm excited to start Brother V's Bible program, but unfortunately I already have a question; or rather a need for clarification.

"For what it’s worth, the first ~400,000 years of the universe had no free light. The entire universe was filled with electronic plasma, which is opaque. Light first appeared after the plasma cooled and formed atoms, which was called 'recombination.' So the universe [or Big Bang, theistic or otherwise] didn’t start out with light at all."

Am I to assume I should simply discount this assertion entirely because it doesn't agree with Genesis?

Further, can I safely conclude that anything similarly in contradiction to the Bible can be similarly dismissed? If so, this is going to be WAY easier than I thought.

[Wide-Open]

Yes. And yes, of course.

[The Nephilimiest]

Thanks for the confirmation! This is going to be a cake walk.

[The Nephilimiest]

Originally Posted by Mother Of Seven

Q. What is light?
A. God is light. 1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
The Bible could have said that on the first day, God made good (light) and God made evil (darkness). In a way He did, but He called them light and dark.
I hope that explains it

Whoa wah wee wah waitaminute.

"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light."

It doesn't actually say God created darkness. It seems to read like darkness was already there.

And God created evil?

Um, if God is omnibenevolent, "and in him is no darkness at all"
where'd the darkness and/or evil come from?

[Wide-Open]

You should really read first and ask questions later. If you would have read Isaiah 45:7 you'd know the answer already.

So far the cake walk.

[Attila's Wife]

Susan seems to have skipped Genesis 1:1, which is not really a promising start, is it?

[The Nephilimiest]

Wide Open, I HAVE read that verse! Noted it as one of my favorites on my introduction post, but I'm not surprised you didn't read it. I understand my status as unsaved trash.

I'm pleased to see such an unapologetic acceptance of the origins of evil - so many evangelicals I've spoken to in the past try and promote the idea that God and evil are in some way incompatible or incapable of coexisting. Obviously, if God made everything, God made evil.

Mrs. Attila - I did not skip Genesis 1:1, I promise. In fact, it was the first verse I read! Berashith indeed.