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I'm trying to follow this. "After" means after the tribulation the sun is darkened?
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
There's a darkened sun. What happened next? Is that what you're referring to?
Thanks, I appreciate the correction. Nevertheless, I am looking for the scripture that says the tribulation was seven years.


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Default Re: The End of The World and The Rapture - 04-15-2019, 08:34 PM

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Thanks, I appreciate the correction. Nevertheless, I am looking for the scripture that says the tribulation was seven years.
How about answering her question, instead of shifting to a whole new set of goalposts entirely? Let me remind you:
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The idea of the pre trib rapture is a lie from Satan. The early church taught no such thing...[/youtube]
What is your confusion, the timing of the Rapture or the duration?

I eagerly await your reply explaining how Pharaoh of Exodus could not have been Rameses II.


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Because it was Hatshepsut?
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Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken Matthew 24:29
"Yeah, and who taught that before Darby in the 19th century?"

Preceding Darby were Puritans such as Increase and Cotton Mathers, but the only real Christian™ to teach Pretribulationalism could be attributed to a 1788 essay of Morgan Edwards, First Baptist Church of Philadelphia.


However, all those men were testifying to what Jesus Christ, Himself, said:


"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, 'til they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Matthew 16:24-28)


"... And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (Revelation 13:17-18)
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Thanks, I appreciate the correction. Nevertheless, I am looking for the scripture that says the tribulation was seven years.
I'm not the one making claims here. Are you saying the tribulation occurred just after the sun was darkened in the first century or not?

An approx. seven year period consists of 1,335 days in Daniel 12:10-12 followed by 42 months in Revelation 12:17 – 13:7 but you'd need to consider whether the saints being persecuted were either present or absent at those times or resurrected or not. Is that what you're referring to?
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Gesundheit, Sister.
I understand that your female mind is too small to understand this but Hatshepsut was the fifth pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt, not a sign of the common cold.


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Default Re: The End of The World and The Rapture - 12-28-2020, 01:08 AM

Funny, Bible says that in the rapture we will be changed into glorified bodies (basically, God creating a new body for us), if He can do that huge change to fully developed humans, I'm sure He can make a brand new body for an unborn baby. It's simple!If you really sincerely believe that about pregnant women, I encourage you to ask God and wait upon his direct answer.
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...I'm sure He can make a brand new body for an unborn baby. It's simple!...
So there would suddenly be these adult bodies occupied by minds who haven't yet learned to breathe, let alone begin to understand the giant world outside of their mother's wombs.

And, because Heaven, eternal and unchanging, they are trapped in this confused, uncomprehending state FOREVER.

Every time a Christian describes their Heaven, it sounds more like Hell to me.


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Every time a Christian describes their Heaven, it sounds more like Hell to me.
You only say that because you have been banned from setting foot in Freehold Iowa, the home of the Landover Baptist Church and about as close as anyone can come to finding Heaven on Earth. No crime, no drugs, no jews or muslims, no oral sex or other sexual immorality, no rock-and-roll music or other Earthly entertainment, neighbors watching your every move to make sure you follow God's laws. Even the negro servants in Freehold act like civilized men! Verily, it is a True Christian™ paradise.

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. . . Freehold Iowa, the home of the Landover Baptist Church and about as close as anyone can come to finding Heaven on Earth. No crime, no drugs, no jews or muslims, no . . . Even the negro servants in Freehold act like civilized men! Verily, it is a True Christian™ paradise.

I know the Lord has called me to live in the den of iniquity that is New York City, but I truly miss Freehold.
I am certain that you will make a fine witness for The Lord there in NYC. Just make certain that you cast a wary eye out for the Jews. I understand there are more of them in that location than there are in parts of Israel. Sure, until recently, they had an Italian mayor (and an Italian governor), but from what I've been reading, most Italians are something called a "crypto-Jew".

Above all, avoid something called a "delicatessen". It sounds all French and fancy, but I hear most of those things are fairly overrun with Jews.


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Default Re: The End of The World and The Rapture - 03-03-2022, 12:35 AM

I'm getting confused again; will unborn babies be raptured? What happens if the mother is an atheist or an idolator (such as a mohammedan who's never heard a true word spoken from one day to the next) or even a communist? Alternatively, sticking with idolators for the time being, what about the idea that nobody ever converts to a creed but only reverts to it – presumably that means everyone starts off as a whatever, then goes off the rails and turns into a Christian or Satanist or what they call the vilest of animals, (us, in other words)

then POOF one day reverts to moon worship just like they were before

the highlighting demonstrates what necessarily follows from the concept and what a mother brought up in that tradition necessarily thinks 1 about us in our as yet unreverted state 2 her unborn child and 3 herself.

3. She may never have deviated
2. The baby has not had the opportunity
1. and obviously, to her, there's no hope for us

In this scenario, in her mind, what happens to the baby? What happens if she becomes a Christian?
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Amen and amen! That was one powerful sermon, Pastor Bathfire!

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Default Re: The End of The World and The Rapture - 12-29-2022, 11:18 PM

I've been thinking about Eve again. She along with Mary (and Miriam and Deborah) will be resurrected. Currently as I understand it none of them will be experiencing time so there will have appeared to be no interlude for them. God explains it this way:
I Thessalonians 4:13, 16-17; 15:16-17 I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope . . . For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord . . . Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing.
We will meet Jesus there, floating in the sky. If He is floating, will He need legs? And if He has no legs, will we identify Him correctly? Anyway, getting back to Eve, without her there would be no sin. But if there were no sin, would there be a Jesus? Not all sin would be available to her (such as described in Post #33) at least not immediately – but more importantly, God continued to talk to her. Is there direct verbal communication between God and The Lost? He was clear that her descendants would be bitten on their heels, He told Satan this presumably whilst possessing his peculiar species which also lost its legs, but Eve was listening and He addressed her next Genesis 3:14, 15, 16 so will Eve be in the clouds with us? Will she have legs? We already know she will be resurrected.
John 5:28-29 [Jesus speaking] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Default Re: The End of The World and The Rapture - 08-07-2023, 02:22 PM

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We have been the subjects of God’s Good Grace since the Earth began and although He is going to kill billions of people, He has not made it clear when this will be. OR HAS HE?
Unfortunately there are those DELUDED FALSE CHRISTIAN LUNATICS who think they know the Mind of The Almighty:
Knowledge of the End of The World requires that God speaks to Christian people: He does not. He speaks only to people who are True Christians™.
How many times have you heard someone say, “I prayed to God for an answer, and He told me…” or worse still, “The Bible says…” and then begin to spout some garbage? I bet it’s hundreds of time a day (especially if you live near Catholics but then that’s what you get for not having sufficient Blessings to live in a better neighborhood.)
So, I hear you say, “If God speaks to True Christians™, when will the World-and-All- That-Is-In-It end?”
And I say, “It’s all there is The Bible if you can but read it.”

Well, that is simple. Just as you did not know until you read this Sermon from Landover, up until that time, neither did the Disciples know. But now, we know that Jesus was giving them all the clues – “M'r:4:23: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.”
I have to say I was really proud, and remain proud, of Pastor Bathfire for writing this years ago. He told us to prepare for rapture because it is coming.

What has happened since, however, is a little disappointing. It is common, even for men of God, to say, "Well, it hasn't happened and we don't know the date so let's not carry on about this and see another predicted date turn out to be incorrect. We hurt our cause when this happens over and over again, dates are announced and rapture does not happen. Let's just not talk about dates anymore."

That is foolish talk. As Pastor Bathfire pointed out, there are ample scriptural passages telling us of the coming rapture. We must prepare. Each time a date is announced people prepare. Some give away their possessions. Others beg for forgiveness of their sins and tell their loved ones goodbye. The smart Christian will be prepared for rapture because it may happen tomorrow.

If the rapture does not happen on a predicted date, what harm has been done? People prepared. That's what is important. Not preparing is shear folly.

I pray all of us at Landover Baptist can continue to prepare for rapture.

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Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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I have to say I was really proud, and remain proud, of Pastor Bathfire for writing this years ago. He told us to prepare for rapture because it is coming.

What has happened since, however, is a little disappointing. It is common, even for men of God, to say, "Well, it hasn't happened and we don't know the date so let's not carry on about this and see another predicted date turn out to be incorrect. We hurt our cause when this happens over and over again, dates are announced and rapture does not happen. Let's just not talk about dates anymore."

That is foolish talk. As Pastor Bathfire pointed out, there are ample scriptural passages telling us of the coming rapture. We must prepare. Each time a date is announced people prepare. Some give away their possessions. Others beg for forgiveness of their sins and tell their loved ones goodbye. The smart Christian will be prepared for rapture because it may happen tomorrow.

If the rapture does not happen on a predicted date, what harm has been done? People prepared. That's what is important. Not preparing is shear folly.

I pray all of us at Landover Baptist can continue to prepare for rapture.

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Oh, what a glorious message, dear Brother Mayor Hold, and how I do thank you (and Pastor Bathfire) for posting this. It reminds me of sermons that my late Daddy (a Pentecostal evangelist) used to preach, regarding the rapture, and the need to be ever-ready for its imminent happening. Why, there are ample messages about this in the blessed , and it is my prayer that people shall study these words from Almighty very seriously!

Matthew 24:29-31:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I Thessalonians 4:16,17:

16 For the himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of : and the dead in shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the in the air: and so shall we ever be with the .

(And, please, do take notice of the cryptic reference to our beloved President Trump, in verse 16).



Now, as you have mentioned, dear Brother Mayor Hold, some very well-intended persons have attempted to predict the date of the rapture, without any success. A fairly recent example would be that of the late Harold Camping, with his prediction that the rapture would occur on May 21, 2011.



Well, Mr. Camping's heart was in the right place, and even though he was wrong, one of his most dedicated followers bears no grudge.

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Robert Fitzpatrick has no regrets. And no ill will toward doomsayer Harold Camping. In fact, 10 years after the transit engineer spent about $300,000 — most of his life savings — to warn people of the end of the world, the 70-year-old retiree said it was all part of God’s plan. “I think that’s what the Lord wanted us to do and me to do,” Fitzpatrick said in a phone interview with The Chronicle from his apartment in Hawaii. “No regrets.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/ar...s-16192575.php

What a very wise man is Mr. Fitzpatrick! Despite the mockery that he endured when he did not "lift off" in Time Square, New York, on May 21, 2011, he has not lost his faith in the promises of the .

May we all be as dedicated as Robert Fitzpatrick, as we wait upon the for near return — in ' Name, I pray.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."




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