[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by ConstellationUnicorn

Stars are angels, shining light down to earth to expose the sins of man.

Scriptural support for this claim?

[Catherine Moore]

I think she's misunderstood Revelation 1:20

[olivia]

1: Stars vary greatly in size but what you see is the light that the stars are producing.

2: Stars vary in colour, they can be white, blue, red and orange like the sun, the sun is itself a star.

3: The sun isn't a lump of coal, it is a massive sphere of super-heated plasma held together by gravity.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Random3456

1: Stars vary greatly in size but what you see is the light that the stars are producing.

2: Stars vary in colour, they can be white, blue, red and orange like the sun, the sun is itself a star.

3: The sun isn't a lump of coal, it is a massive sphere of super-heated plasma held together by gravity.

So you say, but on the final day of judgement all those stars will fall and the sky will be rolled up like a curtain by God. So who knows more about these things? You or God?

[leandrasusan]

Finally! Someone had to disproove those silly atheists someday.

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Since stars are clearly stated to be designed for human purpose, it makes no sense that they would be millions of light-years away like scientists claim.

Some aren't millions of light-years away. Most of the view able stars with the naked eye are only a few, hundred or thousand light years away.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

If God made stars so we can keep track of time, why seperate them from earth by vast distances?

I don't know, but there are a vast distance from Earth. Maybe this is evidence for God not existing????

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

if they were millions of light-years away, that would mean they would have to be very, very big -- even bigger than our own sun. No, that doesn't make sense at all.

It does make sense if you have a brain. The universe contains stars thousands or even millions of times as big as the sun.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Stars are simply lights. But they are not the same as the sun, as scientists say because stars are not yellowish-orange. They are white, silvery, and twinkly... They can't be lumps of coal like the sun, otherwise they would be yellow.

There are many factors to this white light source. At night, the human eye can detect light better, but it's difficult to detect colour. (basically, the humans colour vision deteriorates at night, so most things you look at will lack colour saturation) The stars are on a background of dark. This makes most bright objects appear somewhat light, tending towards white from their natural colour. At the great distances star are, the colours of the spectrum merges into whiteness. They may be yellow/orange in space, but white to the naked eye.

The twinkling effect is simple. It's just happens when the light is coming after passing through many layers of air. These layers sometimes refract, then refract again to reach us.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

I think we can agree that diamonds would be the most likely choice.

Nope. I've proved you wrong. Even my 10 year old knows that much. Go and think of other lies for me to debunk.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

I don't know

This is the only thing you have said so far that makes any sense. You clearly need to talk less and pray more.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Some aren't millions of light-years away. Most of the view able stars with the naked eye are only a few, hundred or thousand light years away.

Reverend Osborn (who is currently on sabbatical to Palm Beach for missionary work) provides sound math for stars being much closer here.

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

This is the only thing you have said so far that makes any sense. You clearly need to talk less and pray more.

Really? Are you too dumb to read all the other stuff, and understand it? By the looks of it, yes. These are facts. If you carried on from reading the sentence "I don't know...", you would be interested in what I have said about the existence of God. You proved he doesn't exist. You clearly need to study more science and shave your head, rather than your religion.

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Reverend Osborn (who is currently on sabbatical to Palm Beach for missionary work) provides sound math for stars being much closer here.

I've just had a glanced at it. Rev. Jim Osborne has clearly shown he doesn't understand science or maths.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

...........It does make sense if you have a brain. The universe contains stars thousands or even millions of times as big as the sun.............

Why? Why would God give us stars so big and then according to you, ones that we cannot even see (hocus-pocus-Big woo??? )?

You get more and more funny with every one of your posts.

[A Follower]

And again we see the typical scientologist's method of "debating": making vast claims about unverifiable subjects, and then using those unsubstantiated claims as evidence that they are right about everything.

Let me ask: who says stars are larger than our sun? What has he done to prove that? Did he go to the stars with a measuring tape? If not, why would you believe him? Also, can you prove that the person you are blindly following into Hell has never lied? Has never been wrong about anything? If you can't say with 100% certainty that he has always been truthful and right about everything, than you can't trust what he says about stars either. Compare that to God who can be trusted to be correct and truthful, after all He created all those stars, He knows best.

And if stars are so large, then how can they fit in earth's atmosphere? Didn't all the scientists claim that the shooting star that hit Russia a few months ago was no more than a few feet across? When did the shooting star change size from thousands of times the size of our sun to the size of a simple boulder? And how could the star have traveled all those hundreds of millions of light years if you scientists claim that traveling a lightyear takes at least a year?

[Dave bob]

Firstly is this a seriouse forum or just for jokes. Secondly Wow just Wow

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Dave bob

Firstly is this a seriouse forum or just for jokes. Secondly Wow just Wow

Friend, we are as serious as the Fires of Hell and the Love of God. Perhaps you are not used to be amoung honest people who do not pull punches and actually live according to how God wants.

Tell me friend, do you love Jesus, I mean honstly love Him and are willing and able to do what He and He alone, tells you?

[Jack O'fagan]

Originally Posted by Dave bob

Firstly is this a seriouse forum or just for jokes. Secondly Wow just Wow

Another Jesus hater.

Mark 13:2 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

Could that happen if the stars were as large as you say? Either you are a fool is sweet Jesus is a liar. You are the fool.

Also if the stars were as large and far away as you say then could they rotate around the Earth in 24 hours? Can you imagine the speeds involved? That would surely break your precious 'speed of light' limit. Ludicrous. Everything you need to know is in the King James Bible, it's His instruction manual for us. I suggest you read it and accept Jesus' temporary sacrifice. If not you chose eternity in hell, your choice.

YIC

Jack

[Paragon of virtue]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

I've just had a glanced at it. Rev. Jim Osborne has clearly shown he doesn't understand science or maths.

I am a mere English major, and do not claim to an expert in Math, but I do know a few equations.

1.Sinner + Jesus= saved

2.Sinner - Jesus = damned

3.Let X= Unrepentant Sin against God

1X(Eternity + Hell) - hope of forgiveness = Albert the Lunkhead

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Why?

The Mass in stars is determined by the size of their birthclouds. As the stars grow older, they generate heavier elements which in turn need higher temperatures to fuse and covert into heavier elements. This causes the star to expand and grow larger.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Why would God give us stars so big and then according to you...

Why don't you ask him? Oh, wait, you can't.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

...ones that we cannot even see (hocus-pocus-Big woo??? )

The light from far distance stars spreads out with the distance, making it so that only tiny fraction reaches us. Some stars are simply close enough or large enough than others, thus sending out more light.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

You get more and more funny with every one of your posts.

You get more and more dumber with every reply you post.

Originally Posted by A Follower

And again we see the typical scientologist's method of "debating": making vast claims about unverifiable subjects, and then using those unsubstantiated claims as evidence that they are right about everything.

Unsubstantiated claims? These are facts. There's a large number of evidence about this topic.

Originally Posted by A Follower

who says stars are larger than our sun?

Science.

Originally Posted by A Follower

What has he done to prove that?

I've been more rational than you guys. I have done experiments and observations to prove the truth etc.

Originally Posted by A Follower

Did he go to the stars with a measuring tape?

Don't be an idiot.

Originally Posted by A Follower

If not, why would you believe him?

We have positive evidence.

Originally Posted by A Follower

Also, can you prove that the person you are blindly following into Hell has never lied?

Everyone lies. Science doesn't lie. Why would I lie about my own career?

Originally Posted by A Follower

Has never been wrong about anything?

Of course. Everyone has been wrong about something, but you can't use this technique to prove me wrong, because it doesn't. Like I said, these are facts.

Originally Posted by A Follower

If you can't say with 100% certainty that he has always been truthful and right about everything, than you can't trust what he says about stars either.

That's a stupid way to look at it. Anyway, I don't need to be trusted. Look at the evidence.

Originally Posted by A Follower

Compare that to God who can be trusted to be correct and truthful, after all He created all those stars, He knows best.

What evidence do you have for HIM creating the stars? - We know what creates stars, and we don't see a man in white robs creating them. What evidence do you have for God being trusted?

Originally Posted by A Follower

And if stars are so large, then how can they fit in earth's atmosphere?

Because they're far away - We can only see 10, 000 stars compared to the 100 Billion in our Galaxy, and then comparing that to the 100 Billion Galaxies.

Originally Posted by A Follower

Didn't all the scientists claim that the shooting star that hit Russia a few months ago was no more than a few feet across? When did the shooting star change size from thousands of times the size of our sun to the size of a simple boulder?

Next time you moan, get your facts correct. Do you understand the different between a star and a shooting star?

Originally Posted by A Follower

And how could the star have traveled all those hundreds of millions of light years if you scientists claim that traveling a lightyear takes at least a year?

I'll say again, do you understand the different between a star and a shooting star? The meteoroid that hit Russia was located in our solar system, near Earth. Not that far.

Originally Posted by Jack O'fagan

Another Jesus hater.

Could that happen if the stars were as large as you say? Either you are a fool is sweet Jesus is a liar. You are the fool.

Jesus is a liar - the evidence supports it.

Originally Posted by Jack O'fagan

Also if the stars were as large and far away as you say then could they rotate around the Earth in 24 hours?

This is basic science. Seriously, you guys a complete dumb. The Earth does a full rotation in 24 hours.

Originally Posted by Jack O'fagan

Everything you need to know is in the King James Bible, it's His instruction manual for us. I suggest you read it and accept Jesus' temporary sacrifice. If not you chose eternity in hell, your choice.

Hell, here I come!

[Pastaguy]

To answer the question "A stars actually giant diamonds?".
The short answer is no.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Jesus is a liar - the evidence supports it.

Do you enjoy posting here, young man? Thin ice, and we expect an apology forthright.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Albert The Lunkhead

Jesus is a liar - the evidence supports it.

How DARE you come here and drop your verbal BOMB all over us, persecute us in the SAME WAY THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBS terrorized Bostonites! You're TERRORIZING CHRISTIANS! I am literally weeping as I write this, my hands are so shaky right now but the Spirit is compelling me to SPEAK THE TRUTH, EVEN IF MY VOICE SHAKES!

JESUS IS NOT A LIAR!

Jesus is GOD ALMIGHTY! He is the ALPHA AND OMEGA! He DIED for my SINS and He didn't have to! He CHOSE to! HE took on the debt that I owe for the crime of having been born with a nature that can't help but SIN! And you come along and call Him a Liar!

YOU'RE THE LIAR!

[Albert The Lunkhead (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

This is an excellent question. Well, I have been doing some scientific research on diamonds and I learned that the light refraction is much much higher than space (pure vacuum like scientists claim). What this means is that the speed of light slows down as it passes through a thick substance like a diamond. In pure space, light travels at 186,000+ miles per second, whereas through a diamond it is 77,000+ miles per second. That is more than half the speed!

Knowing this, we can rule out the stars being millions of light years away because a) The universe is only 6,000 years old, and b) diamonds slow down the speed of light, therefore increasing the time it takes to get here. If stars were millions of light years away, the light wouldn't have reached the earth by now. Therefore, the stars must be closer than scientists say.

We know light travels at 77,000 miles per second through diamonds. And we know that stars have existed since the beginning of the creation (Genesis chapter 1), so they couldn't be that far away. Let's read what Genesis says...

Genesis 1
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So we know the stars were created within a 24 hour period. This means the distance of stars can be no more than 24 hours x 77,000 miles per second. Let us now do some math to prove star distance.

60 seconds x 60 minutes = 3600 seconds in a hour
3600 seconds per hour x 24 hours = 86400 seconds in a day.
86400 x 77000 = 6,652,800,000 miles away maximum.

Over six billion miles away! This is much, much shorter than atheist scientists postulate. But, I want to clarify that this does not mean the stars are six billion miles away, but only that it is the maximum possibility. More likely God put the stars only 77,000 miles away so their light only takes a second to get here. Or they could be only 500 miles away as well. That makes sense since it goes along with the sun's distance.

Either way, mathematics prove the stars are between 500 miles and 6 billion miles away. This is hard science, real science, not the crazy beliefs and blind faith of atheist scientists.

Are you serious?

There are a few flaws with this post you have made. Stars are not created over a 24 hour period. It takes millions of years for a single star to form. Even if they were created over a 24 hours period, you calculation is still flawed. You said the maximum distance was 24 hours ago, even though it's clear that stars didn't form yesterday. Your math is wrong, as it assumes the stars were created 24 hours ago, and not over a 24 period. This assumption you're saying that stars are formed in a 24 hours period is nowhere supported by scientific evidence. If you accept the speed of light, which you can do even at home, you can reject nonsensical literal interpretation of the Bible.

We've known the distance to the nearest stars for nearly two centuries, by careful measurement of stellar parallax. If we take for example our nearest star, other than our Sun, it is Proxima Centauri. That's 4 light years away. We know light travels through a vacuum at 186 282 miles per second. Therefore, the minimum distance to any star is:

4 * 365 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 186282 or around 23, 498, 000, 000, 000 miles.

This is more than 6 billion miles! Take in consideration this is our nearest star!

Originally Posted by Brother Harold Porter

Do you enjoy posting here, young man? Thin ice, and we expect an apology forthright.

I only said that because you guys proved it.

Mark 13:2 said "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in heavens will be shaken."

Of course this will never happen, and won't happen. Why would your Lord say that if it's not the truth? He must be a liar!