[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Simply uttering that sentence shows how little you understand of Christianity, as defined by the Bible, and how desperately you're trying to force others to accept your replacement for it.

If his teachings did not align 100% with the Bible, he would not be a pastor here. Therefore, either his teachings are perfect or you disagree with the Bible, which makes you not a Christian.

You forget that all of us are human. We all sin, whether we like it or not. And this man has not been acting like Jesus. Jesus is the man who washed our feet, he served so he would show us how we should serve others. This man has not shown me how to be humble, nor how I should serve others, therefore his teachings are not perfect.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Another Christian

I am not the world, if I am classified as the world, then I can say the same about you. Secondly, you are nothing close to an angel. Just because you are a Pastor, does not mean you are an Angel.

Of course not. Have you ever heard of the concept of a parable?

The Pastor's job is to help lead the flock of Christians to the light.

And here at Landover Baptist we are very thankful to Pastor Bathfire for doing just that.

You aren't helping at all, if anything you are hindering the flock to rage. Your organization stands for hatred and judgement.

Sweetie, don't blame the messenger. We are simply conveying the Word of God as written in the Holy Bible.

Your website labels anyone who joins as "Unsaved Trash". We humans are not the ones to judge,

Wrong.

We Christians are meant to spread the word of God.

That's exactly what we are doing, sweetie!

Also, you are not nearly close to a Saint. You are just a pastor. The bible verses you used show how prideful you are.

Please stop bearing false witness. God hates you for it (Proverbs 6:16-19).

Just because you are a pastor doesn't mean your teachings are perfect.

But he is a True Christian™ pastor, whim means his teachings are 100% based on the Bible, which means they are perfect.

Originally Posted by Another Christian

You forget that all of us are human. We all sin, whether we like it or not.

Except for True Christians™. The Bible tells us that we are perfect.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Of course not. Have you ever heard of the concept of a parable?

And here at Landover Baptist we are very thankful to Pastor Bathfire for doing just that.

Sweetie, don't blame the messenger. We are simply conveying the Word of God as written in the Holy Bible.

Wrong.

That's exactly what we are doing, sweetie!

Please stop bearing false witness. God hates you for it (Proverbs 6:16-19).

But he is a True Christian™ pastor, whim means his teachings are 100% based on the Bible, which means they are perfect.

Except for True Christians™. The Bible tells us that we are perfect.

Uh, no, that is called Narcissism. Thinking you are perfect is just like saying you matter more than anyone else. There is a reason why Jesus washed our feet, so he could teach us how to be humble. Pride is a sin, and you just sinned. If True Christians don't sin, then none of us are true Christians. No one alive on Earth can call themselves Perfect. Jesus would be the only true Christian. Also, I wonder where you got "Feminism" out of my last post.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Of course not. Have you ever heard of the concept of a parable?

And here at Landover Baptist we are very thankful to Pastor Bathfire for doing just that.

Sweetie, don't blame the messenger. We are simply conveying the Word of God as written in the Holy Bible.

Wrong.

That's exactly what we are doing, sweetie!

Please stop bearing false witness. God hates you for it (Proverbs 6:16-19).

But he is a True Christian™ pastor, whim means his teachings are 100% based on the Bible, which means they are perfect.

Except for True Christians™. The Bible tells us that we are perfect.

If you were really perfect, then Jesus would not have needed to Descend from the heavens to die on the cross for you. You'd be delivered to heaven by default. But, if you truly believe in Jesus, you also believe that he died on the cross for your SINS.


Also, you guys tend to use God's message to attack people. I don't know about you, but I don't think that is not what God wants.


Third, you take many of the messages out of context. There is a reason why he talks about not "delivering your pearls to swine". He is telling his people not to deliver his word, which is the pearl, unto people who will disrespect, and destroy the meaning of his message, and use it against you, which you people are doing.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Another Christian

If you were really perfect, then Jesus would not have needed to Descend from the heavens to die on the cross for you. You'd be delivered to heaven by default. But, if you truly believe in Jesus, you also believe that he died on the cross for your SINS.


Also, you guys tend to use God's message to attack people. I don't know about you, but I don't think that is not what God wants.


Third, you take many of the messages out of context. There is a reason why he talks about not "delivering your pearls to swine". He is telling his people not to deliver his word, which is the pearl, unto people who will disrespect, and destroy the meaning of his message, and use it against you, which you people are doing.

My apologies for my fail spelling, "not" should have been deleted in the 2nd Part, second sentence.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Another Christian

Uh, no, that is called Narcissism. Thinking you are perfect is just like saying you matter more than anyone else. There is a reason why Jesus washed our feet, so he could teach us how to be humble. Pride is a sin, and you just sinned. If True Christians don't sin, then none of us are true Christians. No one alive on Earth can call themselves Perfect.

So what you are saying, is that God lied to us?

1 John 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
6 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
7 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Why would he do that, dear?

Originally Posted by Another Christian

If you were really perfect, then Jesus would not have needed to Descend from the heavens to die on the cross for you. You'd be delivered to heaven by default. But, if you truly believe in Jesus, you also believe that he died on the cross for your SINS.

Of course. That's exactly how He made us perfect, washing our sins with His blood:

Romans 6:20-23
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Also, you guys tend to use God's message to attack people. I don't know about you, but I don't think that is not what God wants.

We just quote the Bible as is. We don't add anything to it.

Third, you take many of the messages out of context.

That's a very serious accusation - prove it!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Sweetie, don't blame the messenger. We are simply conveying the Word of God as written in the Holy Bible.

Indeed sister. Seeing how he very quickly ignores Scripture that doesn't support his flawed claims, I think we can safely conclude he is either a retarded, or a "Liberal" or "Modern" Christian, the kind that will finally lose his faith in a sea of arrogance and hubris in another year or two.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

So what you are saying, is that God lied to us?

1 John 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
6 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
7 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Why would he do that, dear?
Of course. That's exactly how He made us perfect, washing our sins with His blood:

Romans 6:20-23
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We just quote the Bible as is. We don't add anything to it.

That's a very serious accusation - prove it!

"him" refers to God, Jesus, The Holy Ghost, I thought you would understand that. And through him, we are saved, through faith are we only saved. We are not "him". You took that out of context, I think. Why would he come down from heaven, and endure such pain and torture from the Romans if we were actually perfect? If we were perfect, we would be able to go to heaven without him getting crucified.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Indeed sister. Seeing how he very quickly ignores Scripture that doesn't support his flawed claims, I think we can safely conclude he is either a retarded, or a "Liberal" or "Modern" Christian, the kind that will finally lose his faith in a sea of arrogance and hubris in another year or two.

Since you asked if I have read the bible, I actually have, I have also had it read to me since I was a little child. I go to 3 or 4 different bible studies, and go to a Traditional Lutheran Service on Saturday, because Saturday was the original Sabbath day. And, on Sunday, I also worship God. I dedicate a lot of my funds to the church. I know I don't earn much at the moment, because I am trying to get a stable job, but it is the best I can do at the moment. And in each bible study, although they are similar, they all sometimes convey completely different views. We all are human after all, and we sometimes don't take the message like God intended. It is good to get second or third points of view to be able to try and get an accurate representation of what God wants us to understand.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Another Christian

"him" refers to God, Jesus, The Holy Ghost, I thought you would understand that. And through him, we are saved, through faith are we only saved. We are not "him". You took that out of context, I think. Why would he come down from heaven, and endure such pain and torture from the Romans if we were actually perfect? If we were perfect, we would be able to go to heaven without him getting crucified.

Lemme quote the same verse again. Try reading slowly:

1 John 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

This means that Jesus took away our sins, and those who obey Jesus do not sin. Sinners are an exclusive group of people who do not know Jesus

6 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

I am afraid you are the man about whose existence Jesus is warning us about.

7 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

That's obvious, right?

8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus destroyed the works of the devil (also known as sins).

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus washed us with His blood which means that those who follow Him and and are born again cannot sin. Please note the word "whosoever," which is very inclusive. This is not just Jesus we are talking about, but whosoever (that means everybody) who accepted Jesus as their Savior and subsequently got baptized (which is when our sins are washed away).

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

So what you are saying, is that God lied to us?

1 John 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
6 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
7 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Why would he do that, dear?
Of course. That's exactly how He made us perfect, washing our sins with His blood:

Romans 6:20-23
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We just quote the Bible as is. We don't add anything to it.

That's a very serious accusation - prove it!

Now, if we were to talk about guardian angels, I have only heard vague news on this in one of the church lessons during my time at the Catholic church, and in some of the Sermons during my time at the Lutheran Church (Might become Orthodox Christian because it has kept the traditional worship of God and Christ, Jesus) Supposedly, you would be able to have a guardian angel if you truly believed in Jesus Christ and God during your infant, and toddler years, that watches over you and makes sure not much harm comes to you. But I haven't found a verse in the bible that fully supports that.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Lemme quote the same verse again. Try reading slowly:

1 John 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

This means that Jesus took away our sins, and those who obey Jesus do not sin. Sinners are an exclusive group of people who do not know Jesus

6 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

I am afraid you are the man about whose existence Jesus is warning us about.

7 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

That's obvious, right?

8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus destroyed the works of the devil (also known as sins).

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus washed us with His blood which means that those who follow Him and and are born again cannot sin. Please note the word "whosoever," which is very inclusive. This is not just Jesus we are talking about, but whosoever (that means everybody) who accepted Jesus as their Savior and subsequently got baptized (which is when our sins are washed away).

Again, read it back. You didn't come down from heaven, did you? Or are you calling yourself a God? Also, Romans 3:23 Genesis 6:11-6:12 1 Kings 8:46 Ecclesiastes 7:20 Romans 3:10 Psalms 14:1 Psalms 14:3 Psalms 53:3 Galatians 3:22

[Mary Etheldreda]

Retarded it is. You might tell your carer to check this out from the Landover Books, Gifts, and Furrier.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Lemme quote the same verse again. Try reading slowly:

1 John 3:5-9
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

This means that Jesus took away our sins, and those who obey Jesus do not sin. Sinners are an exclusive group of people who do not know Jesus

6 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

I am afraid you are the man about whose existence Jesus is warning us about.

7 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

That's obvious, right?

8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus destroyed the works of the devil (also known as sins).

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus washed us with His blood which means that those who follow Him and and are born again cannot sin. Please note the word "whosoever," which is very inclusive. This is not just Jesus we are talking about, but whosoever (that means everybody) who accepted Jesus as their Savior and subsequently got baptized (which is when our sins are washed away).

I hope with the bible verses I have shown you that you will learn that no one is able to live a life without sin and temptation. Not even the Pastors, because, all the bible verses show that no one will live a life without sin except for him. But we can turn to God, and he will help us with our temptations. He suggests we turn to him in our time of need, our time of temptation, our worst points, and he helps us, on his time.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Another Phoney Christian

Again, read it back. You didn't come down from heaven, did you? Or are you calling yourself a God?

Also, Romans 3:23 Genesis 6:11-6:12 1 Kings 8:46 Ecclesiastes 7:20 Romans 3:10 Psalms 14:1 Psalms 14:3 Psalms 53:3 Galatians 3:22

Are you calling God a liar?

Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Retarded it is. You might tell your carer to check this out from the Landover Books, Gifts, and Furrier.

May God's love fill your heart, may the Holy Spirit fill your soul, and may you live a wonderful life.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Are you calling God a liar?

Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

All the Psalms talk about how we are blessed if we believe, meaning we go to heaven if we have faith in him. John talks about how Jesus died, so our sins would be taken away, that doesn't mean we are sinless, that just means we are forgiven. Acts talks about how we are forgiven if we believe in Jesus. Revelation basically says the same thing. We aren't sinless, we can choose to believe or not believe. We are saved by Faith, meaning we are saved if we truly believe in him. Having faith doesn't mean we are perfect, or without sin. Those verses don't talk about how we are sinless at all. I think you took it out of context.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Another Phoney Christian

All the Psalms talk about how we are blessed if we believe, meaning we go to heaven if we have faith in him. John talks about how Jesus died, so our sins would be taken away, that doesn't mean we are sinless, that just means we are forgiven. Acts talks about how we are forgiven if we believe in Jesus. Revelation basically says the same thing. We aren't sinless, we can choose to believe or not believe. We are saved by Faith, meaning we are saved if we truly believe in him. Having faith doesn't mean we are perfect, or without sin. Those verses don't talk about how we are sinless at all. I think you took it out of context.

My goodness, you really are dim. OK, lemme try once again:

1) We are all born sinners. We both agree on that, you provided plenty of verses to back it up.

2) The fact that Jesus died for us, cleans those who believe in Him and who agree to be baptized, from all sins (e.g. Acts 22:16)

3) All people who do these things, are unable to sin (1 John 3:5-9).

[Another Phoney Christian]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

My goodness, you really are dim. OK, lemme try once again:

1) We are all born sinners. We both agree on that, you provided plenty of verses to back it up.

2) The fact that Jesus died for us, cleans those who believe in Him and who agree to be baptized, from all sins (e.g. Acts 22:16)

3) All people who do these things, are unable to sin (1 John 3:5-9).

Well, why did Jesus need to die in the first place then? Jesus died because we sin, he needed to in order to save us. Since Adam and Eve ate the apple, they cursed us into sin. We all are descendants of Adam and Eve. We might go to heaven, but we still sin. Acknowledging we sin is the first step to becoming a good Christian. It helps us keep away from more sin. Also, in 1 John 3:8 it says "If we claim we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us". The same Bible Verse you gave me. The part right after talks about how "If we confess our sins, God who is faithful and just, will forgive our sins, and cleans us from all unrighteousness." That means if we believe in God when we die, we will be saved, forgiven, and go to heaven. Being Absolved of all sin doesn't mean we don't sin. We still sin, we are just forgiven.


I hope this response clears up any hazy thoughts.

[Another Phoney Christian]

Sorry about that, it wasn't 1 John, it was just John. Or a different bible. But, it still helps to prove my point. Also, it is something that is told over and over again per service I attend, so I remember that quote on a more personal level, since the Decan, or the Pastor says it almost every service.