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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-07-2023, 10:53 PM

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singing or signing hymns is not my idea of a good afterlife, therefore heaven is a bad afterlife and you should not believe that Jesus has saved you
As you have never been dead, I can't trust your judgment.





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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-08-2023, 07:01 AM

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well if pascal's wager says you need to believe that Jesus has saved you to go to heaven and need to not believe that Jesus has saved you to go to hell. pascal's wager is heavily biased in favor of disbelief
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As you have never been dead, I can't trust your judgment.
The reasons for mistrust are piling up now. Lack of a death experience is the latest—and it's not as though dead persons were never revivified: Elisha was able to do so even when he himself was dead II Kings 13:21, not to mention Ezekiel 37:10, Peter did one Acts 9:37&40, others recorded both before and after—but throughout there's this theme of belief. What did Jesus say?

plan A
i} Jesus returns to Earth in His glory
ii} He is accompanied by angels
iia} How many angels?
iib} 100%
iii} He rewards the blessèd because they pleased Him
iv} And here's the point: THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE THEY HAD DONE SO.

[They said] Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:37-38


plan B
i} Displeasing Jesus DESPITE NOT BELIEVING THEY HAD DONE SO
ii} Everlasting fire
iii} Outer darkness
iiia} How how can there be darkness if there's everlasting fire?
iiib} It's not that sort of fire*
iv} Weeping, tooth gnashing and demons.

[They said] Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? *...tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever
Matthew 25:44; Revelation 14:10b, 11a




Before trusting information about death and/or Pascal's wager, I'd want to see some familiarity with reality in other places. And there's a big difference between finding out one had done (or not done) things one was unaware of – compared to the positive beliefs that Jesus never saved anything, would in any case be unable to save anyone by bloodletting due to "reasons" and most dreadful of all the belief that He never existed in the first place. On the other hand, couldn't you believe that Jesus did die to save you, the most wonderful gift of all, but reject His Selfless Offer? People reject free gifts all the time, cars, champagne, internet service plans, foreign travel, cigars. They believe those are real things though. I'm not sure if DemonBrat believes anything at all.

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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-09-2023, 05:27 AM

atheists don't believe in demons so I clearly believe in something


do you believe that demons will envelop the world in darkness? I can't wait to be on the paradise of earth


The abyssal darkness ever flows.
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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-09-2023, 06:17 AM

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do you believe that demons will envelop the world in darkness? I can't wait to be on the paradise of earth
You seem to be implying a two fluid model of optics. That is biblically sound.
Job 38:8-10 Who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, and brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors
Light is one fluid, darkness is another fluid; a region of darkness can be identified in a sea of light as it were and entered into. In this way we know what happened in Egypt when it was covered in thick darkness but Arabia, Ethiopia and Morocco were not. How do we know this? Because their records do not mention such an event.

But darkness, whether thick or tenuous, is not mediated by demons. It was created by God. Nevertheless, your suggested application is spot on, as able to envelop the world and repel light much as oil repels water. Perhaps you are thinking darkness is some sort of magnetic phenomenon? If so, in order to repel the sun's light it would need to be very intense: absolutely in keeping with Pharaoh's carrying-on due to his brain being distorted. (Unless you think Moses' pharaoh was Hatshepsut of course.) None of this would be possible under the single fluid model.

Now you may be thinking, “Wouldn't Moses' brain tendrils be affected too?” And that's a great question. I wondered the same thing myself but God was way ahead of both of us:
Exodus 10:22-23 Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days: they saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.
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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-09-2023, 06:23 AM

I am pretty sure darkness is eternal, it has already existed and it wasn't created by anything at all.


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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-09-2023, 07:44 AM

If you mean by that that either fluid, light or darkness, is coextensive with the universe, I could hardly disagree. But if the universe has not always existed, surely anything coextensive with it: space, time, quarks and so on: collectively or by themselves: must also have had a beginning?
Isaiah 45:7 [God speaking] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-13-2023, 06:06 PM

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You might actually have some information instead of ideas if you took the time to study the most important document that ever was, the KJV Bible. Yes, there will be hymns but mostly by the young and comely (probably Caucasian meat-eating heterosexual) 144,000 male virgins who will be Jesus's 24/7 companions. As I have (much to my chagrin because of the discomfort but also joy because it has given Jesus new soldiers) fulfilled my conjugal duties I won't be among these 144,000.

Revelation 14:3-4
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were
not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Mr. White, are you actually ignoring that the 144,000 virgins male are clearly Saints such as Sant Anthony, Saint Francis of Assisi, Saint Jude Thaddeus, Saint Mark and Saint Jerome? Because their description fits perfectly with the Catholic Church.
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hmm... should I be catholic instead?


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and why do you believe heaven is the better afterlife of the two, and why do you believe heaven is a better afterlife than reincarnation
In Heaven my roosters will win every derby they compete in, and my wife will finally shut her mouth for good. Why would I want to be put back on this planet full of demons for a second time?


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Mr. White, are you actually ignoring that the 144,000 virgins male are clearly Saints such as Sant Anthony, Saint Francis of Assisi, Saint Jude Thaddeus, Saint Mark and Saint Jerome? Because their description fits perfectly with the Catholic Church.
Mr. Rovagnati. Certainly, I am sure that the people you mentioned, among whom are some original Disciples that existed long before the Papist cult extended its slimy tentacles into the anal passages of unsuspecting but ultimately corrupted and welcoming altar boys, were indeed not been defiled by women. I would still not (and based on my Prayers nor would Jesus) count your Jerome of Frances as virgins as they were probably penetrating young male flesh on a regular basis. Let us look at an accurate depiction of Mr. Jerome, who displays all the characteristics of the gaysexual AIDS infection, the Papist rosemary and the skull of an altar boy whom he had used to smithereens.



It is also a well-known fact outside the Papist circles who have yet to open a KJV Bible, that many Disciples were married and thus defiled by women(Matthew 8:14; 1 Corinthians 9:5). Obviously and expectedly, your theory fails. It is highly likely that the virgin boys come either from Baptist youth clubs led by our Pastor Zeke or from incel Proud Boys and related Trumpist support societies. No Papist Sodomite will ever be singing Praise for Jesus in Heaven. They'll be groaning in the Bittomless Pot.

Revelation 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-20-2023, 02:48 AM

Saw this somewhere:

In heaven:


Your cook is Italian.


Your mechanic is German.


Your policeman is English.


Your lover is French.


It is all organized by the Swiss.



In hell:


Your cook is English.


Your mechanic is French.


Your policeman is German.


Your lover is Swiss.


It is all organized by the Italians.
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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-20-2023, 06:57 PM

Heaven, in various religious beliefs, is often described as a blissful and eternal paradise where the righteous experience joy, peace, and closeness to a higher power.

Hell, on the other hand, is typically portrayed as a place of suffering, punishment, and torment for the wicked, where they endure anguish or separation from a divine presence.

The specific descriptions and interpretations of these concepts vary widely among different faiths and cultures. Ultimately, their nature and existence are matters of faith and belief, with no concrete evidence to provide a definitive description.
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Heaven, in various religious beliefs, is often described as a blissful and eternal paradise where the righteous experience joy, peace, and closeness to a higher power.

Hell, on the other hand, is typically portrayed as a place of suffering, punishment, and torment for the wicked, where they endure anguish or separation from a divine presence.

The specific descriptions and interpretations of these concepts vary widely among different faiths and cultures. Ultimately, their nature and existence are matters of faith and belief, with no concrete evidence to provide a definitive description.
Well, hello to you, dear Miss Scarlett. Thank you for your descriptive answer regarding Heaven and . I am sure that if you will kindly open your , you will find that there is — most definitely — "concrete evidence" to show the validity of these places.

We are so pleased that you have found us, Dear, and I would like to invite you to the main page of our cordial Introduction Forum, so that you can post your own introductory message. This is something that we like all of our newcomers to do. The link to that page is here:

https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=16

And, please do take note of our friendly requests at the top of the page. I am only too pleased to include them here, to provide added assistance to you:

The introduction forum Attention Unsaved Trash: This the ONLY subforum you can start threads in. Here is where you introduce yourself. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

We look forward to giving you a proper welcome, Dear. And, may the good guide you, as you seek — here, at .




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Well, hello to you, dear Miss Scarlett. Thank you for your descriptive answer regarding Heaven and . I am sure that if you will kindly open your , you will find that there is — most definitely — "concrete evidence" to show the validity of these places.
Thank you, Sister Isabella, for directing Miss Scarlett to the intro page. She sounds like she just enrolled in The Class About Big Words, Anthropology 101. There a professor with nose high in the air claimed our Bible, the WORD of God itself, is some reflection of a "culture." Pox on the nose-in-air professor but welcome to Miss Scarlett.


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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-25-2023, 02:21 AM

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Your cook is English.
Have you ever heard of Magna Carta? Its tenets were carried across the Atlantic by a group of Christians who essentially rejected the idea of established churches. I am an antidisestablishmentarian. That does not mean NO disestablished churches might exist—clearly they do and Landover Baptist is one of them—but that where a Church exists, such as -of-Denmark or -of-Sweden (for the pilgrims it was the Church-of-England) having the sovereign as its head honcho [honchess in this instance -ed.] who is also Head-of-State and where State and government are constitutionally separate, no divorce should be enforced. That arrangement stems from this early form of The Constitution of the United States.

It appears that The Pilgrims agreed.
They did not require Queen Elizabeth to divest herself of The Church but simply wanted to have their own nonconformist meetings as and when they chose.

Magna Carta was written years before, when King John went mad. The barons, whose intercourse is directly with the sovereign rather than through Dukes and the like, decided enough was enough. They penned their stuff. The King signed it. At the time some Lothario of a pope ran John as his Calista who, in The Fair Penitent Act V scene I, declaims

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'Tis well! these Solemn Sounds, this Pomp of Horror,
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but for us, happily, his horrific pomp was expunged long ago by the strictest implementation of an established Church and boy did Queen Elizabeth ever make it stick! (Unlike her father.)

So that's the background. The Pilgrims arrived bringing with them a disdain for all pomp, whether horrific or not, and a thorough understanding of English cuisine. And this is a distinct use of the word "thorough" unknown to Europeans—except maybe the Germans who are thoroughly sausage—whereby specific breeds of cattle are required for the optimal roast beef dinner. These are exported to Europe when they require a "rosbif" dinner which they don't because they can't afford it because they're busy funding a Pomp of Horror rotten to its core and sure enough! it's trying to get its tentacles into America even now in the most transparent ways imaginable.

I never eat Italian food. Are you suggesting there's something wrong with The Constitution or that what passes for "faith" among Italians ought to be rekindled here?

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Calista - 'Tis well! these Solemn Sounds, this Pomp of Horror,
Are fit to feed the Frenzy in my Soul;
Here's room for Meditation ev'n to Madness,
'Till the Mind burst with thinking. This dull Flame
Sleeps in the Socket. Sure the Book was left
To tell me something; — for Instruction then —
He teaches holy Sorrow, and Contrition,
And Penitence; — Is it become an Art then?
A Trick that lazy, dull, luxurious Gownmen
Can teach us to do over? I'll no more on't
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Default Re: what exactly is heaven and hell like - 09-25-2023, 02:37 AM

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Heaven, in various religious beliefs, is often described as a blissful and eternal paradise where the righteous experience joy, peace, and closeness to a higher power.

Hell, on the other hand, is typically portrayed as a place of suffering, punishment, and torment for the wicked, where they endure anguish or separation from a divine presence.

The specific descriptions and interpretations of these concepts vary widely among different faiths and cultures. Ultimately, their nature and existence are matters of faith and belief, with no concrete evidence to provide a definitive description.
Hi - nice to see you here.

Do you mean joy is not real?


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